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    Venezuela crisis

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:29 pm

    These guys just repeat over and over the same lies and the same scripts Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/MV_Eng/status/1100066767135784960

    Naval blockade an option now:

    http://misionverdad.com/tendencias/inicio-de-un-bloqueo-naval-eeuu-emite-sanciones-contra-gobernadores-venezolanos

    EU and the countries of the region have by now discarded a military intervention. Lets see how long until they are reminded who is the boss and who the lackeys...
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    Post  Aristide Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:17 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Maduro is already gone. Isolated from all countries around his presidency ended 5 weeks ago. Guiado is just the disruptor.
    No, Maduro is still in Caracas issuing orders to his military, militia & police who all follow them, while Guiado is now in Colombia. Many defections also happened in the China & NK but those regimes still last.
    Don't count chicks before they hatch! France may regret what she wishes for: the US will try a regime change in Cuba soon made easier by the 1 she supports in Venezuela & the French business interests will suffer, to say the least.

    We already have a regime change in Cuba. Castro dropped Maduro years ago. Castro needs sweet money. Maduro is bancrupt.

    Btw, Maduro has no military left. We talk about Venezuela here, not a real country.

    At the moment its all games. The moment Maduro gets annoying, we give him the final solution.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:44 pm

    We already have a regime change in Cuba. Castro dropped Maduro years ago. Castro needs sweet money. Maduro is bancrupt.
    Btw, Maduro has no military left. We talk about Venezuela here, not a real country.
    Wrong again. They barter & don't need as much $. Don't use the same yard stick on others u apply to urself.
    By the same token, France is even more bankrupt now & needs to clean her own house 1st before sticking her nose where it doesn't belong.
    Who supported the people which burned those trucks on the border & posed with Maduro for pics? Who closed the borders? Now Guido may try to return only with armed intervention.
    A few generals & soldiers who defected r not the whole military.
    https://ria.ru/20190225/1551325860.html



    ..the ongoing US-led economic destabilization of Venezuela including the manipulation of the foreign exchange market, leading to the collapse of the national currency the Bolivar  and the dramatic hikes in the prices of essential consumer goods, bears a canny resemblance to the months preceding the September 1973 military coup in Chile.
    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/world/142272-coup_venezuela/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/politics/pence-venezuela-lima-group/index.html

    Venezuela surrounded: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2580194.html

    Miscalculation of the United States: anti-American sentiment is strong in the Venezuelan army: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2580229.html


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:22 pm

    BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil’s vice president, retired general Hamilton Mourão, said on Monday that under no circumstances would his country allow the United States to intervene militarily in Venezuela from Brazilian territory.

    In an interview with Globo News cable channel, Mourão said Brazil will do all it can to avoid a conflict with neighboring Venezuela. He spoke from Bogotá, where he attended a meeting of the Lima Group, a bloc of nations from Argentina to Canada dedicated to peaceful resolution of the Venezuelan crisis.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-brazil/brazil-will-not-allow-u-s-use-its-territory-to-invade-venezuela-vice-president-idUSKCN1QE2DS
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    Post  Aristide Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:58 pm

    There is no need for military intervention. Just keep things like they are and throttle Venezuela down each day more.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:56 pm

    Especially after an illegal weapons shipment was seized..
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/02/venezuelan-authorities-seize-weapons-shipped-from.html

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14316

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/20/regime-change-we-can-believe-in-the-u-s-agenda-in-venezuela-haiti-and-egypt/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/02/americas/venezuela-cuba-history-oil/index.html

    US Sets New Venezuela Sanctions, Makes Threats
    US Military Flying More Recon Flights Over Venezuela Coast
    Security Council Sets Open Meeting on Venezuela
    Univision Team Briefly Held in Venezuela After Maduro Interview
    200,000 or 10,000? WAPO Deletes Inflated Venezuela Aid Live Attendance Figure From Its Website
    https://www.antiwar.com/


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    Post  Aristide Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:19 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Especially after an illegal weapons shipment was seized..
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/02/venezuelan-authorities-seize-weapons-shipped-from.html

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14316

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/20/regime-change-we-can-believe-in-the-u-s-agenda-in-venezuela-haiti-and-egypt/

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/02/americas/venezuela-cuba-history-oil/index.html

    US Sets New Venezuela Sanctions, Makes Threats
    US Military Flying More Recon Flights Over Venezuela Coast
    Security Council Sets Open Meeting on Venezuela
    Univision Team Briefly Held in Venezuela After Maduro Interview
    200,000 or 10,000? WAPO Deletes Inflated Venezuela Aid Live Attendance Figure From Its Website
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Do you advice France should use the Khadafi solution for Maduro?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:27 pm

    I wouldn't recommend nor advice any1, esp. France, to repeat the Libyan-style regime change. US supported Colombians were fighting the insurgency for 50+ years. Venezuela won't be any different.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:30 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I wouldn't recommend nor advice any1, esp. France, to repeat the Libyan-style regime change. US supported Colombians were fighting the insurgency for 50+ years. Venezuela won't be any different.

    Khadafi was killed from a french agent with a headshot. It was a clean solution. Since Venezuela sinks into chaos more and more it might be a good idea to make a clean cut.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:44 pm

    Good luck dealing with the aftermath! Even if ur IQ as high as u insist,  I'm not at ur shallow level & don't benefit from ur inputs at all.
    Nebenzya announced that Venezuelans robbed $ 30 billion US and Britain
    From the American and British authorities, the representative of Russia to the UN demanded to unlock the accounts of Venezuela. The only goal of Americans in the Bolivarian Republic, is the regime change
    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated in a recent interview with CNN that "Maduro's days were numbered." According to him, the USA wants the people of Venezuela to see their bright future on the horizon. To make it happen, the USA is going to make the Venezuelan people suffer even more because of sanctions that Washington is going to impose on the troubled country.
    Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaz said that Pompeo was desperately looking for an excuse to start a war. The Americans will now hold consultations on whether it can be possible to form a military coalition that will enter Venezuela. Apparently, they want to follow the precedent of the military invasion of Haiti in 1994. However, times have changed a lot since 1994, and Venezuela is not Haiti. It is worthy of note that there are violent protests happening in Haiti too, but no one is paying attention to them.
    In Venezuela, Washington is facing a number of problems. First off, this is the unity of the Venezuelan military, people's militia and chavistas. Chavism is a strong ideology that has raised a whole generation of people loyal to Hugo Chavez.
    Secondly, Colombian President Ivan Duque told Donald Trump in a telephone conversation that the Colombian military did not want to participate in the conflict with Venezuela. The Brazilian military put similar pressure on Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro. The latter remains under the pressure of  leftist forces - he does not need an unpopular war that will eat a lot of resources that he needs to take the Brazilian economy out of recession.
    Last but not least, the allies  - European and Latin American countries - are split, let alone the fact that Russia and China will veto any use of force against Venezuela at the UN Security Council.

    [/i]http://www.pravdareport.com/world/142278-venezuela/

    Guaydo faces up to 30 years in prison for escaping from Venezuela
    Подробности: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2581151.html


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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:53 am

    Do you advice France should use the Khadafi solution for Maduro?

    No, but would be a great idea to use that solution with Micron... especially the sodomy with the bayonnet... you French have always been so classy... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:26 am

    Caracas will give its oil in exchange for everything it needs from Moscow:
    https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/1/966610.html

    I guess Russia will need to sell it to others to get the hard currency.
    Russia is very rich in resources & could also send foodstuffs that's not produced in Venezuela: cereals, potatoes, canned fish, & meats.

    US, Russia Fail in Rival Bids for UN Action on Venezuela
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-china-block-u-push-u-n-action-203009911.html

    Dem Senator Seeks to Prevent Military Intervention in Venezuela Without Congressional Approval
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/policy-strategy/432103-dem-senator-seeks-to-prevent-military-intervention-in

    Lavrov announced a possible US invasion of Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua
    https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/1/966591.print.html

    Senators Propose Bill to Let Thousands of Venezuelans Remain in US
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senators-propose-bill-let-thousands-venezuelans-remain-u-233931524.html


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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:32 am

    About time: European HQ of PDVSA moved from Lisbon to Moscow.

    Venezuela has now the justification for stronger alignment with the few sovereign states that can actually stand by them in case of need and cut their ties to US lapdogs.

    EDIT: Also yesterday, Russia and China vetoed US draft at UNSC proposing early elections in Venezuela. US vetoed the Russian one, of a format similar to the one they had supported some days before regarding Haiti
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:41 am



    US Increases Pressure on Maduro With New Sanctions, Revokes Visas of Associates
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-usa/u-s-increases-pressure-on-maduro-with-new-sanctions-revokes-visas-of-associates-idUKKCN1QI59L

    Florida Banks Increase Scrutiny Over Venezuela Transactions Amid US Sanctions
    https://therealdeal.com/miami/2019/03/01/florida-banks-increase-scrutiny-over-venezuela-transactions-amid-u-s-sanctions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+trdnews+%28The+Real+Deal+-+New+York+Real+Estate+News%29#new_tab
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    Post  Aristide Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:47 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:

    US Increases Pressure on Maduro With New Sanctions, Revokes Visas of Associates
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-usa/u-s-increases-pressure-on-maduro-with-new-sanctions-revokes-visas-of-associates-idUKKCN1QI59L

    Florida Banks Increase Scrutiny Over Venezuela Transactions Amid US Sanctions
    https://therealdeal.com/miami/2019/03/01/florida-banks-increase-scrutiny-over-venezuela-transactions-amid-u-s-sanctions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+trdnews+%28The+Real+Deal+-+New+York+Real+Estate+News%29#new_tab

    The news you spread thst russia buys venezuela oil is funny.

    Russia has no facility to process this oil. It has very low quality and extreme high viscosity. There is a reason why USA bought 90% of venezuela oil until 6 weeks ago. Only USA and french TOTAL operate facilities to refine this shit.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:03 am

    Even if true, sooner or later they'll build them in Russia or elsewhere:
    ..Russia has an opportunity for the future; technology development is rapidly advancing and the door to heavy and extra-heavy crude production is opening. ..
    The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), however, estimates that Russia has 13.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable heavy oil and 33.7 billion technically recoverable barrels of bitumen. ..
    In line with other heavy-oil rich countries, Russia has begun testing new thermal recovery methods, such as Steam Assisted Gravity Drainage (SAGD), for improving heavy oil extraction. These new technologies have the potential to help the country fully tap into its unconventional heavy oil and bitumen reserves.

    https://www.rigzone.com/training/heavyoil/insight.asp?i_id=193
    https://www.onepetro.org/conference-paper/SPE-176703-RU

    Venezuela can mix light & heavy oils (mentioned here before) before shipping it out for more processing & sale.
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    Post  Aristide Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:59 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Even if true, sooner or later they'll build them in Russia or elsewhere:
    ..Russia has an opportunity for the future; technology development is rapidly advancing and the door to heavy and extra-heavy crude production is opening. ..
    The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), however, estimates that Russia has 13.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable heavy oil and 33.7 billion technically recoverable barrels of bitumen. ..
    In line with other heavy-oil rich countries, Russia has begun testing new thermal recovery methods, such as Steam Assisted Gravity Drainage (SAGD), for improving heavy oil extraction. These new technologies have the potential to help the country fully tap into its unconventional heavy oil and bitumen reserves.

    https://www.rigzone.com/training/heavyoil/insight.asp?i_id=193
    https://www.onepetro.org/conference-paper/SPE-176703-RU

    Venezuela can mix light & heavy oils (mentioned here before) before shipping it out for more processing & sale.

    You are naive. Russia has oil with much higher quality. To build facilities that can refine the venezuela tar into useable products would be economic madness.

    Simple question for you, Iran is far more isolated than Venezuela but is able to sell oil to China, Japan, SK and even EU countries. Yet nobody buys the venezuela shit. Why? Simple answer, because nobody can use it.

    Some here obviously believe Putin is idiotic.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:29 am

    If Putin & Russia can benefit from it, & to support the Ven. economy, they'll start buying their oil- it's heavier, but they'll extract, & build refineries for their own heavy oil anyway. The USSR was buying Cuban sugar since it was cheaper to make from sugarcane than from local beets & shipping oil in return. China may compensate for any losses since she buys Russian oil/gas/timber/water, etc., all they need to do is to rise prices 5-10-15%.
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    Post  Aristide Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:40 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If Putin & Russia can benefit from it, & to support the Ven. economy,  they'll start buying their oil- it's heavier, but they'll extract, & build refineries for their own heavy oil anyway. The USSR was buying Cuban sugar since it was cheaper to make from sugarcane than from local beets & shipping oil in return. China may compensate for any losses since she buys Russian oil/gas/timber/water, etc., all they need to do is to rise prices 5-10-15%.

    Putin gives a shit about Venezuela economy. A weak venezuelan economy is better for Putin. Same counts for France or USA. Evry nation thinks for its own benefits. A weak venezuela with poverty is good for Russia, France and USA. The weaker, the better. Its all a game. One day you will learn it old man.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:17 pm

    LMFS wrote:About time: European HQ of PDVSA moved from Lisbon to Moscow.

    Venezuela has now the justification for stronger alignment with the few sovereign states that can actually stand by them in case of need and cut their ties to US lapdogs.

    EDIT: Also yesterday, Russia and China vetoed US draft at UNSC proposing early elections in Venezuela. US vetoed the Russian one, of a format similar to the one they had supported some days before regarding Haiti
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Caracas will give its oil in exchange for everything it needs from Moscow:
    https://vz.ru/news/2019/3/1/966610.html

    I guess Russia will need to sell it to others to get the hard currency.
    Russia is very rich in resources & could also send foodstuffs that's not produced in Venezuela: cereals, potatoes, canned fish, & meats.

    One has to wonder what it was doing in Lisbon in the first place.. if these are really socialists fighting anti-Imperialism in the world as they claim, and not a corrupt clique of bureaucrats-turned-oligarchs riding a dead leader's personality cult.

    But no matter. It's good news anyhow. Since our government has decided to go all in to preserve this retarded regime in South America, the least we can do is get some benefits out of it.

    Venezuela can send all their unrefined oil and tar to us. We can refine it, brand it, sell it onto the world markets with our own tankers, and with the profits - generate massive orders for our farms, foodstuff & beverages producers, toiletry production, all the essentials basically, whatever Venezuela lacks - and send it off to them. A win-win situation.
    If there's something we can't refine, Venezuela can send it to China. China will be able to get the necessary facilities online a lot quicker than us or Venezuela.

    Gee now I feel like I'm starting to get affected by Aristide's espoused world views here Twisted Evil
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:57 pm

    Aristide wrote:Putin gives a shit about Venezuela economy. A weak venezuelan economy is better for Putin. Same counts for France or USA. Evry nation thinks for its own benefits. A weak venezuela with poverty is good for Russia, France and USA. The weaker, the better. Its all a game. One day you will learn it old man.
    Wrong: stronger economy means more trade; they'll be able to buy Russian products & services w/o borrowing $ or credit, as there still will be things they won't be able to produce themselves. China has the 2nd largest economy & can afford to import more expensive things & commodities they still need. India has a big trade surplus & buys armaments from Russia, France, US, & Israel.
    My granddad was an economist, so I know something about it. It's u that needs a lot to learn; don't try to patronize me, son!

    Venezuela crisis: Trump threats to Maduro evoke bloody history of US intervention in Latin America

    To change the government in Venezuela, the United States plans to create a coalition - Bolton:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2583989.html

    https://russian.rt.com/world/news/607404-rodriges-guaido-otnoshenie


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:06 pm

    From the posts above I have gleaned:

    - both Russia and Venezuela have large amounts of heavy crude/bitumen

    - to move it Venezuela currently dilutes it with US supplied very light distillates, not sure about Russia

    - Russia is developing new ways to allow the stuff to be moved which could be used by Venezuela

    - Russia could transfer the technology to Venezuela

    Just not sure how as FP suggests the heavy oil is shipped to Russia for processing. Help needed.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:31 pm

    The key is China and India . Net food exporters . Energy importers . Russia can give immediate food aid . I believe it has emergency grain stores . These can be replaced later . China and India need to make some strategic decisions . Confronted with trade war with yanks . They need to give country like Venezuela a preferential status , as source of energy imports.  And food exports . A strategic decision to overcome monopoly of yanks in that country . And maintain an ally in " their " hemisphere.  Longer term , Venezuelans need to improve agricultural sector , and control population . To achieve self sufficiency in food .
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:48 pm

    To achieve self sufficiency in food.
    they'll never be able to, even if their population was 1/2 of the present.
    I just wonder if Colombia could be knocked out of the coming hybrid US sponsored conflict by Russian subs off its coast hitting it with LACMs & supporting the insurgency. No need to send any big surface ships &/ Tu-160s.
    https://iz.ru/852700/2019-03-04/rossiia-poobeshchala-zhestko-reagirovat-na-ugrozy-svoim-investitciiam-v-venesuele

    https://iz.ru/852589/ekaterina-postnikova-aleksei-zabrodin/arestnyi-khod-pochemu-khuana-guaido-ne-zaderzhali-na-granitce-venesuely

    https://iz.ru/849596/vladislav-zuevskii-ekaterina-postnikova/perekhodiat-granitcy-deistviia-khuana-guaido-i-ssha-groziat-venesuele-voinoi


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    Post  nomadski Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:59 pm

    If you are right , then they are grossly overpopulated . They can reduce population by 75 percent in forty years time . Or two generations . Like China one child policy . Any nation that is a food importer , is in weak position . You can always build industry . Different products in demand . But you can not eat industrial products . Should they not be needed . Food is always needed .

    Defence for them ? Send some engineers and blue prints . Sit back and enjoy show !

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