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    Venezuela crisis

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    Will usa be successful in installing it's puppet

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:57 pm

    Eleven Venezuela Diplomats in US Defect Since Last Month: Opposition
    Venezuelan Official Breaks With Maduro
    Venezuela's Maduro Closes Brazil Border to Block Aid Entry
    Venezuela's Maduro Threatens Colombia Border Closure to Block Humanitarian Aid
    Venezuelan Oil Supplies Hit Five-Year High as Buyers Become Elusive
    Vice President Mike Pence Will Go to Colombia to Demand Maduro Step Down
    Pence Will Meet With Lima Group on Venezuela
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    Putin: Russia Ready for a Cuban-Style Missile Crisis
    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/02/21/putin-russia-is-militarily-ready-for-another-cuban-missile-style-crisis/
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    Post  Admin Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:59 pm

    How can their oil supplies be at 5 year highs when they owe China billions worth in back shipments?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:39 pm

    It's the highest now compared with preceding 5 year period.

    https://politros.com/139391-nikakoi-gumpomoshi-net-v-mid-venesuely-rasskazali-chto-rossiya-postavlyaet-karakasu?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com


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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:18 pm

    I am fearing a false flag event for the upcoming concert. Lets hope everybody that needs to be alert is not caught napping...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:44 pm

    They'll find a pretext & casus belli eventually. America is still addicted to war & Trump needs 1 to save face & stay in the White House.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:31 pm

    Apparently some false flag events have already happened Rolling Eyes

    https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1099081722413633536
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:50 pm

    Brazil has suspended the delivery of humanitarian aid to the border with Venezuela
    https://ria.ru/20190222/1551271518.html

    If Russia & China acted like USA, France & UK, Colombia & Brazil would have at very least their naval armadas off their coasts by now.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:22 am

    Guano will be getting desperate shortly... he is in a very difficult situation because likely most of the population of Venezuela didn't even know who he was last year and now he wants to lead a US backed coup against a man recently voted in to office by a majority???

    These concerts will be interesting... reportedly there is one on each side of the border with opposing views and goals...

    Expect something like at the end of the American stooge concert that they encourage the people at the concert to peacefully walk towards Venezuela to free them from communism and then sit back and watch the machine gun fire... perhaps even start it themselves just to make sure it is enough of an outrage to justify immediate invasion... by all these forces we have ready on standby...
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    Post  LMFS Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:20 am

    Borders with Brazil and Colombia have been closed, Venezuela is very well aware of what the risks are.

    Interview with the rapporteur to the UN about effects of the sanctions, a must see:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=ii5MlQgGXyk
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:54 pm

    https://112.ua/mir/venesuela-razvernula-voyska-na-granice-s-kolumbiey-481703.html

    https://ria.ru/20190223/1551279062.html

    https://iz.ru/849158/2019-02-23/nebenzia-rasskazal-o-planakh-rossii-na-sluchai-provokatcii-ssha-protiv-venesuely

    https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/po-stsenariyu-donbassa-vyiyasnilos-kak-putin-pomogaet-maduro.htm

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/605196-venesuela-ssha-provokaciya-granica



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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:16 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://112.ua/mir/venesuela-razvernula-voyska-na-granice-s-kolumbiey-481703.html

    https://ria.ru/20190223/1551279062.html

    https://iz.ru/849158/2019-02-23/nebenzia-rasskazal-o-planakh-rossii-na-sluchai-provokatcii-ssha-protiv-venesuely

    https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/po-stsenariyu-donbassa-vyiyasnilos-kak-putin-pomogaet-maduro.htm

    https://russian.rt.com/world/article/605196-venesuela-ssha-provokaciya-granica


    Yeah keep destroying police cars that costed you less than 20 000$ each. Then pay your US liberators 100 000$ for shitty US made cars with money they will give with 200% rate taxes. Very smart those Venezuelans Rolling Eyes

    Can't believe that after all the coup they made in south america, there is still some people believing US freedom.
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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:20 pm

    Humans love to drink the easy life koolaid. America promises them prosperity simply by sucking its c*ck and implementing mystical
    monetarist "reforms". The average human does not have such a high IQ and most importantly enough knowledge to see the truth.
    That is why the media is effective in spreading propaganda. Suckers will believe anything that has the ring of truth. Informed people
    who can use their brains can see through this transparent BS.

    BTW, the shortages of consumer goods in Venezuela is a common tactic of US sponsored "entrepreneurs". Back in the late 1980s
    in the USSR you had high quality food goods deliberately junked to create shortages. Gorbie introduced a program which was supposed
    to support small enterprise in the USSR. So you had people start to produce quality meat and sausages, and other produce. When
    they tried to ship these goods to markets in large cities such as Moscow, "mafia" elements came out of nowhere to stop, seize and
    destroy these goods. These "mafias" were serving someone's agenda, but I doubt that someone was localized in Russia. This was
    pure sabotage and I can't see how any sort of competition in a climate of good deficit would lead to such dirty tricks between local
    producers and resellers. I could see such dirty tricks emerge when the market was saturated and the margins were to small.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:54 pm

    kvs wrote:Humans love to drink the easy life koolaid.   America promises them prosperity simply by sucking its c*ck and implementing mystical
    monetarist "reforms".    The average human does not have such a high IQ and most importantly enough knowledge to see the truth.
    That is why the media is effective in spreading propaganda.   Suckers will believe anything that has the ring of truth.   Informed people
    who can use their brains can see through this transparent BS.

    BTW, the shortages of consumer goods in Venezuela is a common tactic of US sponsored "entrepreneurs".   Back in the late 1980s
    in the USSR you had high quality food goods deliberately junked to create shortages.   Gorbie introduced a program which was supposed
    to support small enterprise in the USSR.   So you had people start to produce quality meat and sausages, and other produce.  When
    they tried to ship these goods to markets in large cities such as Moscow, "mafia" elements came out of nowhere to stop, seize and
    destroy these goods.   These "mafias" were serving someone's agenda, but I doubt that someone was localized in Russia.   This was
    pure sabotage and I can't see how any sort of competition in a climate of good deficit would lead to such dirty tricks between local
    producers and resellers.   I could see such dirty tricks emerge when the market was saturated and the margins were to small.  
    Very true. Venezuelan upper class is a comprador elite without the sightless shadow of morals or shame, and many among the middle-class drones (the ones you described above) are really so incredibly stupid and spineless that are dancing to their tune. Anyone that knows the South American right knows their overblown sense of self-entitlement and authoritarianism is only matched by their contempt for their poorer countryman... but as despicable as they are, that is what almost anyone imitates in those countries when they get slightly above rat-poor level, their mark of success is behaving like a colonial slaver. It is really difficult to grasp for people living in countries with better developed middle-class until you meet them. These people would see their country destroyed 100 times if they were allowed to get the spoils and be accepted by their pet masters in the US. So internal sabotage will only grow until Maduro really grows the balls to stop it. There is no other way forward for South America in general than putting those traitor elites in the dust bin of history.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:25 pm

    They'll need much more dirty than this.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:05 pm

    Venezuela's Maduro cuts ties with Colombia amid border conflict

    It's similar to India- the Brahmins & Rajputs still rule over the lower castes. Only 2 countries in L. America had native presidents: Mexico & now Bolivia. The US is trying to eliminate the last pockets of left ideology & exclude China & Russia from gaining any foothold there.
    Perhaps the Tu-160s visit was the last straw.
    Trump & those he represents need to avoid the JFK mistake of not toppling Castro to prove that he's not a friend of Putin so he can proceed with his domestic/immigration reforms unobstructed from the right.
    As in the Vietnam War, Brazil & Colombia of will play a part of Thailand & Philippines, while Cuba (pop. 11.48M) & Nicaragua (pop. 6.2M) will play a part of China, USSR, Laos & Cambodia. In 1970, population of Vietnam was ~43.4M https://www.populationpyramid.net/viet-nam/1970/

    Venezuela population in 2016 was ~31,5M
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Demographics

    The coming war will destabilize Colombia, Brazil, & possibly Peru & Ecuador as well.


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    Post  kvs Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:15 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Venezuela's Maduro cuts ties with Colombia amid border conflict

    It's similar to India- the Brahmins & Rajputs still rule over the lower castes. Only 2 countries in L. America had native presidents: Mexico & now Bolivia. The US is trying to eliminate the last pockets of left ideology & exclude China & Russia from gaining any foothold there.
    Perhaps the Tu-160s visit was the last straw.
    Trump & those he represents need to avoid the JFK mistake of not toppling Castro to prove that he's not a friend of Putin so he can proceed with his domestic/immigration reforms unobstructed from the right.
    As in the Vietnam War, Brazil & Colombia of will play a part of Thailand & Philippines, while Cuba (pop. 11.48M) & Nicaragua (pop. 6.2M) will play a part of China, USSR, Laos & Cambodia. In 1970, population of Vietnam was ~43.4M https://www.populationpyramid.net/viet-nam/1970/

    Venezuela population in 2016 was ~31,5M
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Demographics

    The coming war will destabilize Colombia, Brazil, & possible Peru & Ecuador as well.

    Exceptioanlistan took Russia's bait. Any regime change operations by the wannabe empire ultimately undermine it. Eventually Latin America will
    break free. Even though I do not expect much from the proles, I will give them some credit. People slowly learn and poverty is not a long term
    path to anything. I am sound like some old style socialist, but this has nothing to do with any ideology. Development is an ongoing global process
    even if it is slow. The same colonial shtick cannot be played over and over forever.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:00 pm

    Proof that it was not the Maduro Government that touched those aid trucks yesterday. In the link there is a video showing clearly just who threw the petrol bombs. Earlier there was another video of them filling the bottles with petrol.

    Things are not what some want everyone to believe!


    https://twitter.com/graffitiborrao/status/1099540683575185408
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:47 pm

    As I was saying: US trying to redraw the map of Latin America: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2579417.html

    https://vz.ru/world/2019/2/24/965743.print.html

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2579274.html

    If Russia sets up bases in L. America, those right leaning regimes there may be short lived. Most of those ~656M people won't be happy as perpetually colonized subjects of Uncle Sam & having to kiss his boots.
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2579264.html
    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/latin-america-and-the-caribbean-population/

    All of them except Chile were neutral or on the side of Argentina during & after the Falklands War.


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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:53 am

    It's the fault of the local authorities for not at least providing security and or having oversight which allows the US to do their dirty tactics.

    But the US has no shame in admitting or even praising their efforts to cause harm to other nations economies.

    So when they cry fouel that Russia does it or China does it to them, I can't help but laugh
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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:46 am

    A GNB post was attacked by paramilitary yesterday 15 min away from the border where the trucks with "Guarimba Aid" (no food but supplies for insurgency) were expected to go trough.

    https://twitter.com/madeleintlSUR/status/1099909284945674243
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:03 am

    Surprise surprise

    Hopefully they find out who attacked the post and simply arrest the guys. Use them as PR against the Gueido backers.
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    Post  Aristide Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:52 am

    The next days and weeks will be interesting. France and EU in general want get rud of Maduro. Its in our best interest and i assume for USA as well.

    Maduro has no future anyways, the rift in the country is there and hus authority broken. From now on its just a game.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:04 pm

    Maduro may stay as long as F. Castro. If not, Guido has no future either. If installed, with that many backstabbing "friends" & enemies, he'll be replaced like Ngo Di Diem was in S. Vietnam.

    US to Announce Steps Against Venezuela Monday
    Rubio's Tweet of Bloody Gadhafi 'Warning' to Venezuelan President
    After Venezuela Violence, Pence to Meet With Guaido in Colombia
    Maduro Opponents Boost Military Rhetoric in Venezuela Crisis
    US Threatens New Sanctions on Venezuela if Aid Convoys Blocked
    After Venezuelan Troops Block Aid, Maduro Faces 'Diplomatic Siege'
    Venezuelan Troops Fire Tear Gas to Repel Activists on Colombia Border
    Venezuela Breaks Diplomatic Relations With Colombia Over Aid, Maduro Says
    Trucks Return to Colombia Warehouse After Failed Venezuela Aid Effort
    Two People Killed in Venezuelan Town Near Brazil in Clashes Over Aid
    Trump Threatens to Deport Venezuelan Officers' Families
    Venezuela Agrees to Extend US Diplomats' Stay for Another 30 Days
    Families of Top Venezuelan Generals Face Deportation From United States
    https://www.antiwar.com/



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    Post  Aristide Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:35 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Maduro may stay as long as F. Castro. If not, Guido has no future either. If installed, with that many backstabbing "friends" & enemies, he'll be replaced like Ngo Di Diem was in S. Vietnam.

    US to Announce Steps Against Venezuela Monday
    Rubio's Tweet of Bloody Gadhafi 'Warning' to Venezuelan President
    After Venezuela Violence, Pence to Meet With Guaido in Colombia
    Maduro Opponents Boost Military Rhetoric in Venezuela Crisis
    US Threatens New Sanctions on Venezuela if Aid Convoys Blocked
    After Venezuelan Troops Block Aid, Maduro Faces 'Diplomatic Siege'
    Venezuelan Troops Fire Tear Gas to Repel Activists on Colombia Border
    Venezuela Breaks Diplomatic Relations With Colombia Over Aid, Maduro Says
    Trucks Return to Colombia Warehouse After Failed Venezuela Aid Effort
    Two People Killed in Venezuelan Town Near Brazil in Clashes Over Aid
    Trump Threatens to Deport Venezuelan Officers' Families
    Venezuela Agrees to Extend US Diplomats' Stay for Another 30 Days
    Families of Top Venezuelan Generals Face Deportation From United States
    https://www.antiwar.com/




    Maduro is already gone. Isolated from all countries around his presidency ended 5 weeks ago. Guiado is just the disruptor.

    Castro never faced such extreme division in his own country. And Castro had the financial support of the EU. Also Castro was an intellectual. Maduro is a dumb bus driver. Large parts of Venezuela dont support Maduro anymore. The country is ripped apart. Mission accomplished.

    Meanwhile France plans to give Guaido acess to Venezuelan gold stored in Paris. Which means he gets a budget to rule over that is far bigger than Maduros financial background.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:27 pm

    Maduro is already gone. Isolated from all countries around his presidency ended 5 weeks ago. Guiado is just the disruptor.
    No, Maduro is still in Caracas issuing orders to his military, militia & police who all follow them, while Guiado is now in Colombia. Many defections also happened in the China & NK but those regimes still last.
    Don't count chicks before they hatch! France may regret what she wishes for: the US will try a regime change in Cuba soon made easier by the 1 she supports in Venezuela & the French business interests will suffer, to say the least.

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