Venezuela crisis

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: Lack of food and medicines is one problem. Another is astronomically high, near warzone-level crime that makes life almost unbearable. Why do you think are foreigners advised to not go to Venezuela unless absolutely necessary and if they go, to never show a phone in public and never go alone in an empty street?

While these are pressing issues that needs to be addressed by the Venezuelan government, overthrowing the current leadership and replacing it with a NATO Puppet regime is definitely NOT a solution.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia, China & NK won't be bullied-they've got nukes & Hypersonic Ms & don't care if Mr. Bolton looses any sleep over it!
The West sheds crocodile tears about poor oppressed businessmen & starving people only where a lot of valuable real estate & natural resources r located- look at how they treated Puerto Ricans, Native Hawaiians, Chamorros, Chagossians, & most recently Yemenis who r being bombed by wealthy Saudis, Kuwaitis & the UAE!  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamorro_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians

"It's the economy, stupid!"
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/01/24/kto-srezhissiroval-gosperevorot-v-venesuele-strana-na-grani-krovoprolitnoy-voyny.html

Nukes ain't the point. The point is America is trying to surround China and Russia with enemy states like what happened to Iran when America took over Iraq and Afghanistan. There will always be traitors in Chinese and Russian military. Once the traitors start civil war and gain the border, America can flood weapons in through borders like what happened to Syria. This is a huge threat to the people of China and Russia. The goal of America is destruction of China and Russia.

Remember how America tried to get EU to sanction Russia. America tried to weaken Russia economy and destabilize Russia to start civil war in Russia. I suppose Ukraine army shot down MH17 to blame it on Russia. Only then would EU sanction Russia because sanction hurts both EU and Russia, both rivals of America. Remember how the Ukraine civil war started. America backed the coup. Russia failed to act in time to stabilize the situation. Remember America tried to do coup in Belarus before they did coup in Ukraine.

Nibiru wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote: Lack of food and medicines is one problem. Another is astronomically high, near warzone-level crime that makes life almost unbearable. Why do you think are foreigners advised to not go to Venezuela unless absolutely necessary and if they go, to never show a phone in public and never go alone in an empty street?

While these are pressing issues that needs to be addressed by the Venezuelan government, overthrowing the current leadership and replacing it with a NATO Puppet regime is definitely NOT a solution.

Venezuela civil war would destroy the country. That's the goal of America. A destroyed country like Libya can't buy hardware from Russia. America don't want Russia selling hardware. America threaten any country with sanction in if they buy Russia hardware. That's CAATSA.

Venezuela is run by a demented bsu driver and has gargantuan crime levels combined with constant economic collapse.


Thats the basic fact. Standing above evrything else.

If i would be from Venezuela, i would want to see Maduro dead.

With USA and EU not accepting Maduro as president, his end is basicly signed. He either compromises or folds. Even more so since large parts of the people stand up against his regime.

Aristide wrote:Venezuela is run by a demented bsu driver and has gargantuan crime levels combined with constant economic collapse.


Thats the basic fact. Standing above evrything else.

If i would be from Venezuela, i would want to see Maduro dead.

With USA and EU not accepting Maduro as president, his end is basicly signed. He either compromises or folds. Even more so since large parts of the people stand up against his regime.

Yes because Americans won't accept Putin as president. They would cut diplomatic tie with Putin and recognize Navalny as Russia president.

Aristide wrote:With USA and EU not accepting Maduro as president, his end is basicly signed. He either compromises or folds. Even more so since large parts of the people stand up against his regime.

Last time I heard drivel like that, they were talking about Assad...

Maduro is a piece of shit, no doubt about this. Socialism is the living version of hell, no doubt about this either.
The alarming re-occuring event is that once you find someone who is not a neocon dog,has to stay forever and you pray that he is a Putin and not a Maduro.
This is the result of the defensive policy. But if you burn to the ground one American vassal, I vote for Israel, then these hardships will go for ever.

Teshub wrote:

Aristide wrote:With USA and EU not accepting Maduro as president, his end is basicly signed. He either compromises or folds. Even more so since large parts of the people stand up against his regime.

Last time I heard drivel like that, they were talking about Assad...

No, last time you heared was Kadhafi. Assad was before Kadhafi.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Private military contractors who do secret missions for Russia flew into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for President Nicolas Maduro...
..Russian contractors in Venezuela may be about 400.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-russia-exclusive/exclusive-kremlin-linked-contractors-help-guard-venezuelas-maduro-sources-idUKKCN1PJ22Q

I was expecting it; officially the Russian MOD isn't involved, at least not yet! China may also sent some people to protect her assets & citizens there.
Obama later regretted the ouster of Qaddafi, & Trump may regret ousting Maduro, even if he succeeds:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36013703

But in L. America, Uncle Sam is within its repertoire on the World stage: https://www.alternet.org/2014/03/1970s-cia-backed-coup-australia/

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Australia/1975_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

http://www.coorabellridge.com/whitlamciamotherjones/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia

Tsavo Lion wrote:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Private military contractors who do secret missions for Russia flew into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for President Nicolas Maduro...
..Russian contractors in Venezuela may be about 400.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-venezuela-politics-russia-exclusive/exclusive-kremlin-linked-contractors-help-guard-venezuelas-maduro-sources-idUKKCN1PJ22Q

I was expecting it; officially the Russian MOD isn't involved, at least not yet! China may also sent some people to protect her assets & citizens there.
Obama later regretted the ouster of Qaddafi, & Trump may regret ousting Maduro, even if he succeeds:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36013703

But in L. America, Uncle Sam is within its repertoire on the World stage:  https://www.alternet.org/2014/03/1970s-cia-backed-coup-australia/

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Australia/1975_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

http://www.coorabellridge.com/whitlamciamotherjones/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia

Kadhafi was ousted from France. Others jumped on later on. We made big business with him and then he transferred many millions to Sarko. At the end Kadhafi knew too much and gad to go.

Its even believed that he was finally killed not by a mob but by our secret service

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210759/Gaddafi-killed-French-secret-serviceman-orders-Nicolas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html

Along with the USAF & others providing ships, aircraft & bombs:
It has been a war where the Danes and Norwegians did an extraordinary number of the combat sorties, given their size. Their planes and pilots became exhausted, as the French finally pulled back their sole nuclear-powered aircraft carrier for overdue repairs and Italy withdrew its aircraft carrier to save money.
Only eight of the 28 allies engaged in combat, and most ran out of ammunition, having to buy, at cost, ammunition stockpiled by the United States. ..
Although Washington took a back seat in the war, which the Obama administration looked at skeptically from the start, the United States still ran the initial stages, in particular the destruction of Libya’s air defenses, making it safe for its NATO colleagues to fly. The United States then provided intelligence, refueling and more precision bombing than Paris or London want to acknowledge.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/sunday-review/what-libyas-lessons-mean-for-nato.html

European arsenals of laser-guided bombs, the NATO weapon of choice in the Libyan campaign, have been quickly depleted, officials said. Although the United States has significant stockpiles, its munitions do not fit on the British- and French-made planes that have flown the bulk of the missions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-runs-short-on-some-munitions-in-libya/2011/04/15/AF3O7ElD_story.html?utm_term=.89abc0bd852c

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya#Forces_committed

In another sinister twist to the story, a 22-year-old who was among the group which attacked Gaddafi and who frequently brandished the gun said to have killed him, died in Paris last Monday.
Ben Omran Shaaban was said to have been beaten up himself by Gaddafi loyalists in July, before being shot twice.He was flown to France for treatment, but died of his injuries in hospital.
Sarkozy, who lost the presidential election in May, has continually denied receiving money from Gaddafi.
Today he was unavailable for comment, but is facing a number of enquiries into alleged financial irregularities.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210759/Gaddafi-killed-French-secret-serviceman-orders-Nicolas-Sarkozy-sources-claim.html

Nothing to boast about! If it's true that he used a French agent in his killing, Sarkozy too may pay for that crime. What comes around, goes around!
Ousting Qaddafi created more problems than it solved:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/us-bombing-libya-isis-strongholds-vicious-cycle

Thankfully, the Russians saw to it that the same didn't happen in Syria & possibly Turkey. Together with China may yet succeed in preventing another Libya & Iraq in S. America.
http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/25-01-2019/142200-venezuela_truth-0/

https://fpif.org/the-organization-of-american-states-shouldnt-be-run-by-regime-change-enthusiasts/

Aristide wrote:No, last time you heared was Kadhafi. Assad was before Kadhafi.

No. I said the last time I heard. Which was oh, let me see... July last year. Or are we talking about the last time I heard Obama say it, or Kerry say it, or Cameron say it, or Holland say it, or Turnbull say it, or Erdogan?

Whomever you choose, its still drivel.

On January 24, 2018, the director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Ruslan Pukhov, took part in the Main News program on RBC TV channel and spoke about the prospects for military-technical cooperation between Russia and Venezuela in the context of current events in Caracas.

Teshub wrote:

Aristide wrote:No, last time you heared was Kadhafi. Assad was before Kadhafi.

No. I said the last time I heard. Which was oh, let me see... July last year. Or are we talking about the last time I heard Obama say it, or Kerry say it, or Cameron say it, or Holland say it, or Turnbull say it, or Erdogan?

Whomever you choose, its still drivel.

The last dictator France destroyed was Kadhafi.

We never had any interest in Assad. Infact its irony. Assad told us where Kadhafi is.

Getting rid of Kadhafi was a top priority of us. Assad was an american thing.

Its reported the french secret service located Khadafi when he phoned with Assad.

Weeks before he made an interview where he claiemd that if he topples he will talk alot about french business. With that he signed his death warrant.

As it looks Kadhafi invested alot of money into french business and corporations. He spend billions into french business and even ordered a cruise ship in France. He knew many of our secrets in northern africa.

And since he threatened to talk...he had to be silenced.

The last thing France wanted was a trial like Saddam, where he talks for months in TV.

The irony is, that his last call to a foreign leader was to italian Berlusconi.

Kadhafi was from a tribal culture. He believed in tribes. For him the Italians are a tribe in friendship with the french tribe.

It may sound funny from outside but he tried to convince Berlusconi to talk with his french friends to not kill him. Its said Berlusconi told he, that he cant help him.

Rest is history.

P.s. The giant luxury liner Kadhafi wished so much...was fully paid already from Libya and build in France. Kadhafi paid 820 million € for the ship.

France completed it and sold it for 420 million to italian MSC. That was a great deal. France earned 1.2 billion € with a ship and Italy paid only 420 million € for a ship that normally would have cost 820 million.



We never were that much interested in Syria but we might get now. When USA announced to leave, we send troops to secure the kurs from the turks until Putin stepped in as well. Looks like we want a foot into the door.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Russian PMCs have allegedly been deployed to Venezuela in order to protect Maduro.

Keeping one chair-filler alive won't count for nothing

They should have gotten on top of this years ago if it's so important to them, back then they could have gotten results

This way at the rate it's going they will just end up with another Yanukovich

Well at least they finally gotten commies to allow them gold extraction rights (totally had nothing to do with riots getting out of hand :lol1 )

https://russia-insider.com/en/coincidence-venezuela-green-lights-russia-mine-gold-days-later-us-attempts-overthrow/ri26038

Reds should have agreed to this long ago, that way Russia would have had motivation to do some proactive work and help mitigate this mess but reds probably thought they would be selling that gold themselves (funny since they can't even sell oil)

If Russia plays it's cards right they might getting keep that access to gold even with new government since place is still dead broke but it's unlikely if their mercenaries are seen openly assisting (possibly ex) government

PapaDragon wrote:If Russia plays it's cards right they might getting keep that access to gold even with new government since place is still dead broke but it's unlikely if their mercenaries are seen openly assisting (possibly ex) government

Why do you think the Venezuelan government is dead? Armed forces, TSJ, state governors, electoral council and many other bodies plus a good number of foreign countries are supporting Maduro, this is not new in Venezuela and Guaido will likely end up in jail soon enough. What will US do, send the Marines? Though this douchebag Guaido has already called for them under the disguise of "humanitarian relief" (sic) and the traitor Venezuelan elites in exile are shamelessly wagging their tails to their US owners, the game is obvious to everyone and I doubt that Russia and China will leave the biggest oil reserves on Earth (plus also huge ones of gold and gas and other expensive minerals like coltan) to fall in the hands of US psychos and fuel some decades more of madness. Venezuela is not a country more, it is a crucial one. And of course under a new ultra++ pro-US government Russia would lose everything invested in Venezuela. Those bastards calling US to intervene in their country so they can again fill their pockets and do as they please would owe their trousers to US and would not move one milimeter from their diktat, you can bet on that.

LMFS wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:If Russia plays it's cards right they might getting keep that access to gold even with new government since place is still dead broke but it's unlikely if their mercenaries are seen openly assisting (possibly ex) government

Why do you think the Venezuelan government is dead?...

I am not saying that they are 100% goners but mess of this magnitude doesn't happen out of the blue and is definitely not easily fixed

Venezuela had these issues (economy) for decades and current management did nothing to fix the mess

If they were closer to Eurasia it would be different matter but since they are even further away than Cuba things are pretty dicy

Brazil & Colombia can invade them, with some US help, from 2 or 3 sides - if they do, it will be over in less than 2 weeks, if not sooner.
They could use all that oil, gas & gold to lift their economies in a shorter tome better than anything else.

Cold War Dog Abrams back on the job.

https://www.rt.com/usa/449756-abrams-pompeo-venezuela-iran-contra/

Washington seems so dead-set on regime change in Venezuela, the State Department has just appointed a former diplomat with a sordid track record in Latin America and Middle East to spearhead “restoring democracy” in Caracas.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Friday the appointment of Elliott Abrams to “help the Venezuelan people fully restore democracy and prosperity to their country.”

Abrams supported the US-backed dictators in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras in their campaigns of repression, including death squads. He was also involved in working with Iran to arming the US-backed rebels in Nicaragua, the infamous Iran-Contra scandal.

Abrams was eventually convicted of lying to Congress about Iran-Contra, but was pardoned right away by President George H.W. Bush.

Quick google search this monster if you're not up on his bio.

Seems like real dirty is the plan. The man is an old corpse however.... seems like trying out for some vindication for his failures before he hangs it up for good? Very dangerous while at the same time open to a massive fail. Not dead set yet on what to make of it.

ATLASCUB wrote:Cold War Dog Abrams back on the job.

https://www.rt.com/usa/449756-abrams-pompeo-venezuela-iran-contra/

Washington seems so dead-set on regime change in Venezuela, the State Department has just appointed a former diplomat with a sordid track record in Latin America and Middle East to spearhead “restoring democracy” in Caracas.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced on Friday the appointment of Elliott Abrams to “help the Venezuelan people fully restore democracy and prosperity to their country.”

Abrams supported the US-backed dictators in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras in their campaigns of repression, including death squads. He was also involved in working with Iran to arming the US-backed rebels in Nicaragua, the infamous Iran-Contra scandal.

Abrams was eventually convicted of lying to Congress about Iran-Contra, but was pardoned right away by President George H.W. Bush.

Quick google search this monster if you're not up on his bio.

Seems like real dirty is the plan. The man is an old corpse however.... seems like trying out for some vindication for his failures before he hangs it up for good? Very dangerous while at the same time open to a massive fail. Not dead set yet on what to make of it.

All this bullshit aside, what do you tell the 3 million who run away from Venezuela already? Also what you say to the millions who want Maduro go, since he slammed the country into the wall?

Do you admitt, that Maduro fucked up?