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Venezuela crisis
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JohninMK- Posts : 13691
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- Post n°551
Re: Venezuela crisis
This is all about Russia making a statement 'we stand by our allies'.
The An-124 is on the way back across the Atlantic, over Barbados 2 hours ago.
The An-124 is on the way back across the Atlantic, over Barbados 2 hours ago.
Isos- Posts : 11115
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- Post n°552
Re: Venezuela crisis
JohninMK wrote:This is all about Russia making a statement 'we stand by our allies'.
The An-124 is on the way back across the Atlantic, over Barbados 2 hours ago.
Yes but it is also an internl issue btw venezuelans. If they want to remove Maduro and be US dog it's their choice.
JohninMK- Posts : 13691
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- Post n°553
Re: Venezuela crisis
Indeed it is their choice. It looks like Russia wants to give them the space to make that choice rather than have the US impose their choice.Isos wrote:JohninMK wrote:This is all about Russia making a statement 'we stand by our allies'.
The An-124 is on the way back across the Atlantic, over Barbados 2 hours ago.
Yes but it is also an internl issue btw venezuelans. If they want to remove Maduro and be US dog it's their choice.
Tsavo Lion- Posts : 5798
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- Post n°554
Re: Venezuela crisis
No, he was a bus driver. Later he got educated & had "on the job training" as the VP under Chavez...he is just a cab driver..
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB
They probably dropped something &/ picked something/some1 in Syria before landing in Venezuela. Good move!
It reminds me of the US Berlin Airlift- with An-124s & IL-62s (40T payload), they could establish an air bridge to supply essentials, weapons, gear, & people to shore up Maduro.
The whole world is watching!
LMFS- Posts : 5078
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- Post n°555
Re: Venezuela crisis
A late intervention in Syria meant Russia had pretty much to reconstruct the whole military and sustain the war effort with the 'Syria Express'. This would not be really feasible in the case of Venezuela, so it is better to avoid things to go as far as they went there. Country is stable now and reshuffling government to tackle the emergency situation in which they have been put, while starting to crack on the opposition, at least for their most serious crimes. It all depends on US military options now.
GarryB- Posts : 37787
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- Post n°556
Re: Venezuela crisis
Fully support Russia doing this... it will work in their favour in the future with relationships with other countries if they step up... I don't mean goad the US into a fight, but they need to stand by their allies and friends (which is pretty much any country not hostile to them and has enormous oil reserves doesn't hurt either).
Of course the real problem is that the US couldn't actually give a shit about Assad and Syria... it was more about Iran than Russia there, so it was really Israeli interests that got US boots on the ground...
But this is AMERICA... AMERICA is in the title and description of Venezuela... Venezuela is a South American country... and when you say that you include Venezuela and is and a and then you miss out south because that is not important and then you say american country... Venezuela is an American country...
It is their sphere, it is their backyard... no Rooskies or Chinamen allowed without our say so.
This is a huge problem for the US, which kinda makes it an issue for everyone in the region... wonder how Fox and CNN are reacting to this news... no fly zones and invasions perhaps?
Of course the real problem is that the US couldn't actually give a shit about Assad and Syria... it was more about Iran than Russia there, so it was really Israeli interests that got US boots on the ground...
But this is AMERICA... AMERICA is in the title and description of Venezuela... Venezuela is a South American country... and when you say that you include Venezuela and is and a and then you miss out south because that is not important and then you say american country... Venezuela is an American country...
It is their sphere, it is their backyard... no Rooskies or Chinamen allowed without our say so.
This is a huge problem for the US, which kinda makes it an issue for everyone in the region... wonder how Fox and CNN are reacting to this news... no fly zones and invasions perhaps?
JohninMK- Posts : 13691
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- Post n°557
Re: Venezuela crisis
This is pretty much payback for Ukraine. The decision makers in Moscow have clearly learnt the lessons of that country, plus Syria and possibly Libya, that an early move can save an awful lot of effort and cost later. Nip it in the bud so to speak.
The multiplier effect of a few hundred Russian military operatives in Venezuela would be huge. The impact on their military morale and confidence will be significant with that support in place.
The Russians really need to just drive a few trucks, even empty, around the country with those large Russian flags flying, that would get the message across to the populace that they were no longer on their own. Forget the US this is the time to out PR the Chinese.
The multiplier effect of a few hundred Russian military operatives in Venezuela would be huge. The impact on their military morale and confidence will be significant with that support in place.
The Russians really need to just drive a few trucks, even empty, around the country with those large Russian flags flying, that would get the message across to the populace that they were no longer on their own. Forget the US this is the time to out PR the Chinese.
Isos- Posts : 11115
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- Post n°558
Re: Venezuela crisis
If the chinese open a military base in Venezuela too, it would be a big embarasment for US and the end of their neo colonialism.
Even more if they "destroy" a small ally like a baltic state or Australia by putting sanctions for no reason.
Even more if they "destroy" a small ally like a baltic state or Australia by putting sanctions for no reason.
LMFS- Posts : 5078
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- Post n°559
Re: Venezuela crisis
Patrushev on the US intent with the Venezuelan coup: to dictate the terms to OPEP and to get cheap oil for domestic consumption while they would sell their own expensive one abroad
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/309599-eeuu-planea-tomar-control-venezuela-dictar-condiciones-opep
"El objetivo estratégico de Estados Unidos consiste en convertirse en líder de las exportaciones mundiales de petróleo en los próximos años, establecer sus 'reglas de juego' y dictar sus condiciones a la OPEP", comenta Pátrushev.
"El objetivo de EE.UU. es evidente: utilizar el petróleo venezolano barato en sus refinerías y exportar, incluso a Europa, su petróleo de esquisto caro", añadió el secretario.
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/309599-eeuu-planea-tomar-control-venezuela-dictar-condiciones-opep
"El objetivo estratégico de Estados Unidos consiste en convertirse en líder de las exportaciones mundiales de petróleo en los próximos años, establecer sus 'reglas de juego' y dictar sus condiciones a la OPEP", comenta Pátrushev.
"El objetivo de EE.UU. es evidente: utilizar el petróleo venezolano barato en sus refinerías y exportar, incluso a Europa, su petróleo de esquisto caro", añadió el secretario.
JohninMK- Posts : 13691
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- Post n°560
Re: Venezuela crisis
The An-124 that went to Caracas is now near Moscow having passed though Syria and overflown Turkey on its way home.
George1- Posts : 18128
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- Post n°561
Re: Venezuela crisis
JohninMK wrote:Suddenly everything has changed in Venezuela. Following the 'red lines' meeting in Rome a couple of days ago, the Russian Army advanced party has arrived today, 99 in an Il-62 and goodness knows what in an An-124.
And now, according to journalist Javier I. Mayorca, Colonel General Vasily Tonkoshkurov, chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces - First Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces of Russia, arrived in Venezuela.
So we have one of the most significant Russian Generals now in Venezuela with his staff and protection teams with their equipment coming out the back of the Antonov and I think we can be certain that there is no beachware included.
This is looking more like the start up of Russian ops in Syria. This is the 'what do you need, how can we help' team.
This could be Venezuela transforming from a hedgehog into a porcupine.
do we know what kind of units were these 100 troops that arrived in Venezuela?
Isos- Posts : 11115
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- Post n°562
Re: Venezuela crisis
Not really. Probably analysts and special forces.
Any idea what is the red truck carrying ?
Any idea what is the red truck carrying ?
JohninMK- Posts : 13691
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- Post n°563
Re: Venezuela crisis
A September 2010 memo by a U.S.-funded soft power organization that helped train Venezuelan coup leader Juan Guaidó and his allies identifies the potential collapse of the country’s electrical sector as “a watershed event” that “would likely have the impact of galvanizing public unrest in a way that no opposition group could ever hope to generate.”
The memo has special relevance today as Guaidó moves to exploit nationwide blackouts caused by a major failure at the Simon Bolivar Hydroelectric Plant at Guri dam – a crisis that Venezuela’s government blames on U.S. sabotage.
It was authored by Srdja Popovic of the Center for Applied Non-Violent Action and Strategies (CANVAS), a Belgrade-based “democracy promotion” organization funded by the U.S. that has trained thousands of U.S.-aligned youth activists in countries where the West seeks regime change.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/12/us-regime-change-blueprint-proposed-venezuelan-electricity-blackouts-as-watershed-event/
George1- Posts : 18128
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- Post n°564
Re: Venezuela crisis
i found some more info here
https://southfront.org/russian-military-delegation-visits-venezuela-ahead-of-expected-crackdown-on-us-backed-opposition/
Sputnik cited an anonymous diplomatic source in Caracas, according to who a group of Russian military personnel have arrived in the Venezuelan capital of Caracas to take part in consultations with country’s officials on defence industry cooperation.
Maduro on March 20th said Russia would send medicine “next week” to Venezuela, without describing how it would arrive, adding that Moscow in February had sent some 300 tonnes of humanitarian aid.
Meanwhile, satellite imagery showed that the Venezuelan military deployed more Russian S-300 missile defense systems at an airbase south of Caracas.

https://twitter.com/ImageSatIntl/status/1109831650853171200/photo/1
https://southfront.org/russian-military-delegation-visits-venezuela-ahead-of-expected-crackdown-on-us-backed-opposition/
Javier I.Mayorka wrote: “This Afternoon [March 23rd] a retinue of 99 Russian soldiers arrived at the airport of Maiquetía, under the command of the chief of staff of the ground forces General Vasilly Tonkoshkurov. They were received on presidential ramp by Rear Admiral Marianny Mata, Director of International Affairs and Integration of the Venezuelan Army (1/2)
Immediately thereafter (2pm) A Russian freighter arrived at the same terminal with 35 tonnes of materials, belonging to the contingent that had just landed. In The reception entourage was also staff of the Russian Embassy and the Commander of the Operation Zone of Integral Defense 61 Delta Amacuro. Edgar Colina Reyes”
Sputnik cited an anonymous diplomatic source in Caracas, according to who a group of Russian military personnel have arrived in the Venezuelan capital of Caracas to take part in consultations with country’s officials on defence industry cooperation.
“[The Russian military personnel] has arrived to take part in bilateral consultations,” the source said. “Russia [and Venezuela] have a number of contracts, which are being implemented, including contracts on military and technical cooperation.”
Maduro on March 20th said Russia would send medicine “next week” to Venezuela, without describing how it would arrive, adding that Moscow in February had sent some 300 tonnes of humanitarian aid.
Meanwhile, satellite imagery showed that the Venezuelan military deployed more Russian S-300 missile defense systems at an airbase south of Caracas.

https://twitter.com/ImageSatIntl/status/1109831650853171200/photo/1
verkhoturye51- Posts : 438
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- Post n°565
Re: Venezuela crisis
Armed groups in Caracas:
https://venezuela.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-march-violent-situation-on-the-outskirts-of-the-asambleave
The show could begin in the next couple of weeks.
https://venezuela.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-march-violent-situation-on-the-outskirts-of-the-asambleave
The show could begin in the next couple of weeks.
George1- Posts : 18128
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Re: Venezuela crisis
Venezuelan parliament set to demand withdrawal of Russian military
Two Russian planes carrying servicemen and 35 tonnes of cargo arrived in Caracas on March 23 under intergovernmental miltiary cooperation deal
CARACAS, March 27. /TASS/. Members of Venezuela’s opposition-controlled parliament are set to demand the withdrawal of Russian military from the country, lawmaker Sirit Eliezer told a parliamentary session on Tuesday.
"We join lawmaker Marquina’s demand that Juan Guaido [who declared himself Venezuela’s acting president] as a commander in chief order those people, who trespassed on Venezuela’s territory, to leave immediately," he said, adding that only the National Assembly (parliament) had the exclusive authority to invite foreign armed forces to the country’s territory.
The El Comercio newspaper earlier reported that an Antonov An-124 and an Ilyushin Il-62 aircraft carrying Russian troops and 35 tonnes of cargo arrived in the Venezuelan capital of Caracas on March 23.
Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday Russian military specialists arrived to the country in strict compliance with the republic’s constitution. "The Russian specialists’ presence in Venezuela is regulated by an agreement between the Russian government and the government of Venezuela on military-technical cooperation signed in May 2001, which passed all ratification procedures in both countries in due time. No additional authorization by Venezuela’s National Assembly is required for steps to develop bilateral military-technical cooperation taken within the framework of that agreement," she pointed out.
More:
http://tass.com/world/1050671
Two Russian planes carrying servicemen and 35 tonnes of cargo arrived in Caracas on March 23 under intergovernmental miltiary cooperation deal
CARACAS, March 27. /TASS/. Members of Venezuela’s opposition-controlled parliament are set to demand the withdrawal of Russian military from the country, lawmaker Sirit Eliezer told a parliamentary session on Tuesday.
"We join lawmaker Marquina’s demand that Juan Guaido [who declared himself Venezuela’s acting president] as a commander in chief order those people, who trespassed on Venezuela’s territory, to leave immediately," he said, adding that only the National Assembly (parliament) had the exclusive authority to invite foreign armed forces to the country’s territory.
The El Comercio newspaper earlier reported that an Antonov An-124 and an Ilyushin Il-62 aircraft carrying Russian troops and 35 tonnes of cargo arrived in the Venezuelan capital of Caracas on March 23.
Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday Russian military specialists arrived to the country in strict compliance with the republic’s constitution. "The Russian specialists’ presence in Venezuela is regulated by an agreement between the Russian government and the government of Venezuela on military-technical cooperation signed in May 2001, which passed all ratification procedures in both countries in due time. No additional authorization by Venezuela’s National Assembly is required for steps to develop bilateral military-technical cooperation taken within the framework of that agreement," she pointed out.
More:
http://tass.com/world/1050671
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 8142
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- Post n°567
Re: Venezuela crisis
It's oil stupid! 80% of Venezuelan people don't even know who Guaido is:
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- Post n°568
Re: Venezuela crisis
Venezuela's AN contempt for their own law, national interests and basic decency is beyond grotesque. Russian specialists, if related to cybersecurity as US claimed, would be indeed very useful to understand what is happening with the grid and prevent further attacks or even file international claims for compensation. What kind of national parliament would be against this? It is like opposition calling UN not to monitor the elections, this is simply boycotting the functioning of the own country in coordination with a foreign power. Many of these guys will end up in jail as mandated by article 128 and following of the Venezuelan criminal code.
BTW, good to understand how Guaidó & Co operate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TBffhD68g&feature=youtu.be
Marrero and Planchart are already singing like birds and exposing the depth and criminality of their schemes. The damages Planchart caused to Rosneft are huge, it will be interesting to see what Russia will do here too.
BTW, good to understand how Guaidó & Co operate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0TBffhD68g&feature=youtu.be
Marrero and Planchart are already singing like birds and exposing the depth and criminality of their schemes. The damages Planchart caused to Rosneft are huge, it will be interesting to see what Russia will do here too.
LMFS- Posts : 5078
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Re: Venezuela crisis
Some people are getting nervous about Russian support for Venezuela, let's see how this evolves:
https://weaponews.com/news/65349018-trump-has-offered-russia-to-withdraw-from-venezuela.html
https://weaponews.com/news/65349018-trump-has-offered-russia-to-withdraw-from-venezuela.html
Russia must withdraw from Venezuela, Washington has the means to get leads the statement by U.S. President Donald trump.
He noted that the us administration has many options to achieve this. "We'll look at all options," – said the President.
miketheterrible- Posts : 7391
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Re: Venezuela crisis
They said same about Crimea. Nothing came of it.
All options on the table is a common threat with this admin. Ignore it and move on.
All options on the table is a common threat with this admin. Ignore it and move on.
Isos- Posts : 11115
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- Post n°571
Re: Venezuela crisis
The best way to answer to that is to do or say officialy something (but not directly) like Putin doing weired things with his hands during a speech about Venezuela precisely when he talks about Trump that will make CNN think that Putin planed all this with Trump being his man and working for Russia so that Russia would stop US invasion and make US look weak. Trolling lvl expert.
And enjoy the show
With those assholes armound USA it could lead to a civil war.
And enjoy the show

With those assholes armound USA it could lead to a civil war.
Odin of Ossetia- Posts : 804
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- Post n°572
Re: Venezuela crisis
Tsavo Lion wrote:No, he was a bus driver. Later he got educated & had "on the job training" as the VP under Chavez...he is just a cab driver..
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/russian-air-force-planes-land-in-venezuela-carrying-troops-report-idUSKCN1R50NB
They probably dropped something &/ picked something/some1 in Syria before landing in Venezuela. Good move!
It reminds me of the US Berlin Airlift- with An-124s & IL-62s (40T payload), they could establish an air bridge to supply essentials, weapons, gear, & people to shore up Maduro.
The whole world is watching!
With his vice-presidential experience he is still better qualified than Walesa who became Poland's president in 1990.
Walesa is very frequently misrepresented as an "electrician" despite the fact the he was never educated, trained nor licensed for that profession. He was an installer of some electrical devices in the shipyard, he was never an electrician.
Why then he was misrepresented as an electrician? Because to be an electrician you need more extensive education, for example you need to be good in math. It was an intentional ploy to make the guy look more educated than he was in reality.
That lack of education and government experience of any sort was no problem for the West for Walesa becoming a president of Poland.
Odin of Ossetia- Posts : 804
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- Post n°573
Re: Venezuela crisis
Sabotaged Canadian-made Equipment Caused the Massive Venezuela Power Outages.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2019/03/15/1969355/moscow-believes-western-sabotage-caused-venezuelan-blackout
Anyone still thinks Canada is some sort of neutral country?
We are talking of weapons of mass destruction that indiscriminately target a population.
Innocent people have died because of this.
How "humanitarian."
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- Post n°574
Re: Venezuela crisis
Canada is part of NATO.
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- Post n°575
Re: Venezuela crisis
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/trump-warns-putin-russia-has-get-out-venezuela
Trump, the sock puppet, can go and get stuffed.
So the legislature in Venezuela is "opposition" controlled. How did that happen?
Trump, the sock puppet, can go and get stuffed.
So the legislature in Venezuela is "opposition" controlled. How did that happen?
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