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    IRAN: Latest and Breaking News

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:27 am

    But America trades with Russia and China and it will not go to war with either country. Sure they make noises and send Aircraft carriers now and again. But tensions do not escalate even to minor skirmishes, like India and Pakistan.

    The US waves a big stick and talks about sanctions, but the EU has imposed more actual sanctions against Russia than the US had... the trade between the US and Russia never really became that significant anyway and these days it wont improve much without a serious change in the US... which I rather doubt.

    NK has done it but still is being sanctioned.

    Nukes in China and Russia don't stop US sanctions... nothing stops US sanctions... especially not common sense... but it does mean they wont attack you and will try to avoid actual conflict that could turn into war... that is about as good as it gets with a fucked up psycho country like America.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:46 am

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/167549/Iran-not-worried-about-USS-Georgia-entering-Persian-Gulf

    If  these were  civilian ships or cargo ships  and  if  they were not hostile  and  had come at a time of peace ,  then  no problems .  But  since they are military vessels that have come  at a time of extreme  tension  and  they are nuclear  powered or armed  and that  they could be hit and  damaged or sunk  then causing massive pollution in these seas, that all countries use for fishing and  even a source of fresh water ,  then  they should immediately leave .

    Therefore there is every concern  for Iran . We should  tell them to leave PG immediately . Both the yank and Usrael nuclear sub. If they do not leave, then their propellers should be wrecked  and they should be taken over and brought to Iranian port . The sailors arrested for  endangering the  environment  and livelihood of PG countries .

    Posturing by nuclear subs  or nuclear armed  ships, should not be done at all. Let alone near  coastal and enclosed regions, where they are likely to be engaged by fast attack boats or mines. Now tell the  Yanks and Usraelis to get the fuck out. Or face the music........ ASAP. Using fishing nets in the Hormuz narrow straits is a good idea of capturing vessels without explosions........


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    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:14 am



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sokcho_submarine_incident


    Here, simply put net out and tell them to surface and surrender vessel or risk being taken over by force. Like this incident.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:31 am

    If Iran attacks &/ captures any US warship/sub before a direct mil. hostile action on itself, that's an act of war, asking for B-1/2/52 & F-15E/18E/F strikes on it, with Turkey not missing an opportunity to come & take Azerbaijan. 
    The Gulf of Tonkin incident was used to justify attacking N. Vietnam leading to a long war in SE Asia with Ms of killed, maimed & displaced. Iran should be careful not to repeat it.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:54 am

    The Americans should be careful.  They could even sabotage one of their own nuclear vessels, by running aground . Polluting PG waters . And  I think it is the Yanks and Usraelis guilty of act of war by bringing this shit, into PG waters, a potential hot zone . So no disagree strongly.

    Yankee doodoolee dandy...... get the hell out.  Or Submarine is impounded by Iran. War or otherwise. I think no nuclear powered or armed vessels should be allowed in PG, from any country. Because of potential accident or damage and pollution risk. Putting lives of millions at risk.

    The Yanks supposedly treat the sewage discharged from their ships, while in PG waters, so as not to offend the sensibility of Muslims or cause environmental pollution. But plutonium is far more poisonous than American human excrement.........
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:31 pm

    Trump Threatens Iran Over Iraq Embassy Attack
     US Marine Corps General Mackenzie: We're not going to go to war with Iran
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 US Considering Closing Embassy in Baghdad Over Rocket Attack
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 Netanyahu Hints Military Action Against Iran Is on the Table
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 Report: Israel Using Gen. Milley to Pass Messages to Biden About Iran
    I suspect that Trump will order a strike as a parting shot- his foreign & domestic policy essentially failed & he'll do anything to make the Biden admin. clean up his mess & fail at that too.


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    Post  crod Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:13 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Trump Threatens Iran Over Iraq Embassy Attack
     US Marine Corps General Mackenzie: We're not going to go to war with Iran
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 US Considering Closing Embassy in Baghdad Over Rocket Attack
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 Netanyahu Hints Military Action Against Iran Is on the Table
     IRAN: Latest and Breaking News - Page 23 Blkbullet1 Report: Israel Using Gen. Milley to Pass Messages to Biden About Iran
    I suspect that Trump will order a strike as a parting shot- his foreign & domestic policy essentially failed & he'll do anything to make the Biden admin. clean up his mess & fail at that too.

    He just sounds like a clown tbh....terror master this terror mast that.
    Also I doubt trump has the support for such. Military will not let it happen. Into the final throes of his leadership. Pardon some people here and there and will attempt to ring fence his homily from prosecution but not much else.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:55 pm

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/01/south-korea-sends-destroyer-after-iran-seizes-tanker/?mc_cid=4f710dd12c&mc_eid=5455568640
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:19 am

    @Tsavo, it is a forum rule that you don't just paste links without information about what it is about.

    When creating a link there is a box that enables you to put a description... it does not need to be long and detailed but must indicate what the link is about so members can decide whether to click on it or not.
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    Post  nomadski Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:47 pm

    The most important problem in Iran,  addressed by  famous Artist  Shajarian. He, like me, thinks of the political importance of laws and the constitution. A new or revised constitution. He thinks about a secular democracy. And a transitional government. Another viewpoint. Sad that he could not publish, while alive.

    Without political progress , no other important issue in Iran or region can be solved. Such as  Iran having  full democracy by the majority. Nor Iran being stopped from developing proper nuclear defences. Nor having a proper government of national interest, that puts Iran industry and agriculture and national production first. Nor developing broader relations with the East.

    I  personally am not a secularist. Since it too is a form of exclusive politics. Like the present system. I believe in a Democratic Republic. But I believe that Iranians should try and improve the political system. Make it more democratic. Accountable to the people. Not the UN!



    https://iranian-studies.stanford.edu/transition-constitution
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:05 am

    Such as Iran having full democracy by the majority

    The funny thing is that this sounds like a good thing, but it really isn't.

    People are stupid and gullible and can vote often without thinking properly and carefully about things.

    They get caught up in their own situation and problems and rarely vote for the greater good or what is right for everybody.

    Right now the main problem in the west is that everyone is afraid of the tyranny of the minority... someone who violates the rights of a minority is abused and fired from their job and becomes persona non grata...

    You can choose your gender.... a man can identify as a woman so when he gets arrested for rape... which in the west requires a penis... you can't rape someone if you are a woman in the west... but if this man rapes someone he can say he identifies as a woman and can be sent to a womans prison...

    Before political correctness this would never happen, but with political correctness worrying about the weak and the deviant hoping not to upset or offend them we have created a situation where predators can be put amongst the chickens in the hen house by the farmer.

    If you have daughters how will you feel knowing every dirty little 14 year old boy can claim to be a girl and therefore access the girls toilets and the girls changing rooms at school... anyone who questions that need anger management and gender abuse realignment courses...

    The irony is that teh PC brigade are not doing more harm than they are preventing... but alternative voices are not allowed.

    But I believe that Iranians should try and improve the political system. Make it more democratic. Accountable to the people. Not the UN!

    But all countries are accountable to the UN, and the ones that claim to be the most democratic are the least tolerant of alternative views and diversity of views.

    The EU wont even let EU countries test their own vaccines for themselves, and they have to accept policy made in Brussels by unelected officials that live in ivory towers separate from reality.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:49 am

    I think that democracy is a good thing. Even a bad democracy  is better than a good dictatorship. Because people learn by making mistakes. But in dictatorship, they can not learn at all. Or have the power to change anything. That is the way people learn. By trial and error.

    In Iran, this lack of democratic development ,  caused by the  very strong  right wing elements and using the religious apparatus  to  impose their rule , resulted in the destruction of  socialist and progressive  political  movements .

    The result  is as we see. A lack of  independent  parliament . Or lack of  effective and  democratic participation  of the  entire population.  And politics best described as defeatist and Liberal. These have further destroyed Iranian agriculture and national industry. And damaged Iranian national defence.

    In the west ,  opinions are not  curtailed . Political parties form. However the power of the majority is curtailed through  less visible means.  For example, one will never get the right job , if one is not wearing the right tie . But one can never prove it. But altogether , their more democratic forms are more efficient and stable means of governance. But these states , only want  democratic forms for their own people. Not ours.

    As far as secularism ,  then it can be a good and positive structure. Providing that the existing religious norms are entirely outdated and  negative. And that alternative structures  exist , that  allow better more relevant social laws and norms. Shajarian must have felt, this to be true. And seeing the pain and suffering brought about, through the application of religious rule,  I understand why he said it. But the oppressive measures should be attributable to the role of the reactionary right wing, rather than religion itself. By removing religion from the picture,  the public can identify these reactionary elements, for who they are. They loose their religious protective mask. This may be more beneficial than having religiously orientated politics, sell us more of their  ineffective social reformism ( at best). Or more destructively, limit power to the previlaged minority, by blessing their anti - democratic actions and beards.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:25 am

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-will-join-nuclear-deal-if-iran-complies-with-provisions-blinken/article33681021.ece/amp/


    Here we go again.  The defeatist Liberal establishment will again trade Iran 's  security  for  empty promises of the Yanks.  A great plan by them. First get them to disarm, and then maintain sanctions and then attack them.

    Without a major political shift in Iranian political system,  to bring a Democratic and nationalist government to power, Iran will for the foreseeable future , remain without a Nuclear detterent. The region will be left in terminal instability. With further American military intervention. Iranian national industry and agriculture will be left in decline. And people will be left without power and freedoms. All because some bearded Liberal , can make money by importing foreign Rice or Tea or industrial goods. And sell them at Dollar prices and get Dollar millionaire. While Iranian people get poor and sell their futures to foreign interests, get attacked and loose their industry.
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    Post  Jason2021 Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:01 am

    Hope Iran has sufficient deterrent capabilities to prevent a 1981 Iraq and 2007 Syria type of an Israeli attack. Israel has nukes. Iran must arm itself with at least chemical and biological weapons to deter Israel. It is a no-brainer. Best defence is offensive capabilities.
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    Post  crod Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:44 am

    Jason2021 wrote:Hope Iran has sufficient deterrent capabilities to prevent a 1981 Iraq and 2007 Syria type of an Israeli attack. Israel has nukes. Iran must arm itself with at least chemical and biological weapons to deter Israel. It is a no-brainer. Best defence is offensive capabilities.

    I assume that you're referring to the idf head's comments made on thursday?

    1. why make such comments public?
    2. better be planning to destroy the country as they will hit back and hard, iron dome wont be intercepting all those missiles. iran has a lot of problems right now - what a gift to them, unify the country
    3. more like they are crying donald is gone and want to frighten the world into thinking twice about rejoining the nuke agreement.

    or they might be bat shit crazy enough to do it - one hell of a way to piss the new president off though. time will tell...
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:25 am

    First rule for any fish in the sea is learn how to defend yourself from things you can't evade.

    BTW it is a forum rule that new members introduce themselves... please read rules HERE.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:11 am


    @ jason2021

    Agree about detterence. But CW does not carry the same detterence benefits as NW. And BW is not truly practical. The reason is public perception as well as practical value. CW does not go boom. And the public do not fear it as much. Also CW does not destroy hard targets, enemy armour or planes or ships or silo. So it has to be Nukes.

    However for detterence to work , it must reach a minimal credible quantity and range. An enemy might still risk a war, if a nation only possesses a few nukes. There must be sufficient quantity to ensure destruction or MAD. And this force must be displayed at some point. Before large scale conventional war is likely . In Iran case, it should have been displayed by now, if it existed. Surely after killing of Iranian General.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:21 am

    Perhaps the real solution for Iran is to invest in biological weapons that target certain ethnic groups... you can bet your ass the US is already doing that... they have already requested DNA donations from Russian people... how hard would it be to isolate a certain ethnic group with something that will be carried by anyone without effect till it finds a host with a certain DNA combination common to a particular ethnic group, and render them sterile or something...

    Probably rather more effective than a nuclear weapon... you can release it anywhere and for most people it wont be a problem...

    Of course till it mutates and starts effecting everyone...

    Actually that might result in the massive population cull some nutters are hoping for, but it would be terribly random, though you wouldn't have the piles of bodies you have with Covid or other lethal viruses... it will just be schools will be empty and the population will age and die off...

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:28 am

    WMD are Hell . Hell on Earth. Physical Hell. Also a Hell for the human soul. How dare they deny the sinners Hell ......

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/169614/Leader-sets-clear-condition-for-JCPOA-return

    I said Iranians need the following  pillars to be put in place to limit possibility of annihilation :

    ( 1 )  Nuclear detterent.

    ( 2)  Self sufficient  agriculture.

    ( 3 ) Self sufficient Industry.

    ( 4 )  Self sufficient economy.

    (  5 )  Strong political system.

    The enemy , whoever they might be ,  will entice initially with economic bribes. And then remove Iran Nuclear capability. And then will attack. The JCPOA showed this in practice. Anyone now offering Nuclear disarmament  in exchange for economic benefits,  is turning their back to national interests.

    They recently started allowing farmers to grow Rice again in the North. Obviously they were importing American Rice and foreign tea before. Why all of a sudden a change in policy?  The sanctions?  So they did not prioritise national agriculture. They will be left hungry . The enemy putting further sanctions against food and medicines. This was turning their back to national interest.

    The  IRGC, recently built a refinery to produce petrol for domestic use. Previously they had imported this essential commodity. The oil minister Zanganeh, has said that building a refinery was " dirty talk" !  Lacking a self sufficient industry, is turning their back to national interest.

    Lack of a Democratic system or multi- party pluralistic Democracy, imposed  by minority interest groups, has left the previlaged Bazzar and land Lords a free hand to unfairly  raise prices and lower wages. The result is disturbances on the street and factory. This is turning their back to national interest.


    Reliance on Dollar economy and pricing goods used in Dollars, together with heavy reliance on export and import economy to satisfy the trading Liberals profits, has further pushed prices up. This means the average worker earns a third of  what he needs for his family. This increased social tensions and protests over petrol prices. Hundreds killed illegaly on the street by.... " unknown"  shooters. Where police..... " fail"  to identify .......

    ......... THIS IS TURNING THEIR BACK AND BETRAYING NATIONAL INTEREST............!!!!!
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    Post  nomadski Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:53 am



    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/world/middleeast/iranian-wrestler-alireza-karimi-machiani.amp.html

    What is solution? Should Iranian sport suffer for the crimes of Usrael ? The answer is No! The better solution is to allow sport to continue, but allow the making of a political gesture. Similar to taking a knee by footballers in USA. It could even be more dramatic :

    ( 1 ) Not accepting medals.

    ( 2 ) Not standing for medal ceremony.

    ( 3 ) Donating medal for auction , money for Palestinian refugee.

    All of the above, is better than the present plan. Or sportsman leaving country....


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    Post  nomadski Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:49 pm


    https://sputniknews.com/world/202102231082162616-iaea-chief-calls-on-iran-to-explain-traces-of-nuclear-material-found-in-places-they-shouldnt-be/

    No. These traces are exactly where they are supposed to be. And my guess is that they will be increasing in number. In all sorts of places. Soon there will be millions of sites. All you need for a signal is a few grammes. Nuclear disguise.......looks like someone has been listening..... LOL.


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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:48 am

    When playing find the needle in the haystack it makes sense for the defender to change it to find the specific needle in a haystack of needles...

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:11 am


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/world/europe/us-iran-nuclear-deal.amp.html

    Here we go again. The first fatal error was to issue a " fatwa" against nuclear weapons. And the second fatal error was to link strategic defence with economic sanctions lifting . But these errors are more like policy choices, taken by a state and government that is politically compromised and infiltrated by the Liberals and the right wing. These policy choices run counter to Iranian national interests. This is made even more obvious by the fact that sanctions lifting is even less important, by the Chinese recent 25 year economic deal.

    Even if US sanctions lifted, Iran should not take any step in scaling back nuclear programme or missile tech. The Yanks may bribe a few traders or group and once Iran is disarmed at low cost , then they will attack. This has been proven. The politicians and leaders that betray Iran national interest, must be changed.

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    Post  elconquistador Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:57 am

    https://mobile.twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1379629993609805824

    Iranian ship (deemed military by the Israelis) was attacked in the Red Sea.
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    Post  nomadski Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 am



    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/world/middleeast/israel-iran-ship-mine-attack.amp.html

    Yes. The sources claim it was Usrael. Below the water line, indicates a mine or torpedo. Not placed by hand from dingy. If ship was static for prolonged period at sea, then possible for Sub or diver to place under the water. If ship not static, then torpedo to blame. Could be anyone?

    Then why not attack Big fat oil Tanker? Going through Suez now ? Oh too much pollution? There is the answer. Perhaps one day an oil Tanker gets hit near Usrael coast by mine. And all the coast of Usrael gets polluted....

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