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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:34 pm

    Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .

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    Post  par far Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:52 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .


    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.

    Iran will hit back(if they don't hit back, then it will be perceived as weakness) but I think Iran will hit back smartly. We will see.
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    Post  Backman Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:17 pm

    par far wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .


    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.  

    Iran will hit back(if they don't hit back, then it will be perceived as weakness) but I think Iran will hit back smartly. We will see.

    Israel did it for the same reason that it has been killing its enemies since 1948. To quote from the movie Munich, why cut your finger nails ? They are just gonna grow back.

    Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US. They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now. They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.
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    Post  ahmedfire Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:27 pm

    I think Dr Sameera Moussa was not involved in making nuclear weapons and she was still murdered.

    Yeah actually she always used to say "My wish is for nuclear treatment of cancer to be as available and as cheap as Aspirin" .

    But they afraid from the knowledged people .She was a student of Dr Ali Moustafa Mosharafa ,the one Einstein said about him " I used to follow up his researches in atomic energy, definitely he is one of the best scientists in physics".
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    Post  crod Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:43 pm

    [quote="Backman"]
    par far wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Iran should reply with the same thing or through Hezbollah .

    Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US. They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now. They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.

    As unpalatable as it will be, yes, that’s what they need to do, wait it out. This attack won’t stop things but the wrong response could do.

    Their interests imo would be to redouble their efforts to root out the Mossad safe houses they established during the friendly shah days. That would really hurt israel. Not to mention some intel they would get from their ‘questioning’ of said agents before they caught COVID-19 and succumbed to it....very very difficult for them to achieve this but not impossible either. They need a lucky break, there is always a lucky break.

    They can spend the next while planning other attacks.

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    Post  crod Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:13 pm

    The other point I’d make, is why would such a high value asset only have one armed guard? Why not be in convoy and surrounded by special forces every where he went? From the media reports it would appear there was only 1(?) armed guard with him, a relative who was his bodyguard.
    Given the history of these type assassinations, surely the security should have been stronger and more detailed?
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    Post  nomadski Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:34 pm


    No reason to wait. For all we know, Biden was involved. Since now he shares Intel with Trump. This could even be a " compromise" position. One where the Hawks, get an insurance policy against peace , during Biden presidency.

    But even if Biden not involved, Trump now lame Duck. Out of office and no one will miss him, when he is gone. And the Iranians had the writing on the wall for him, once he left office. This just brings the timetable forward.

    And Usraelis need a constant reminder. So many targets. Iranians are spoilt for choice. I do not see why waiting is of any use. So many Usrael University. So many professors.

    And if anyone from Albania was involved, well Iranians can reach deep and touch their new camp Ashraf with few BM. Otherwise they hold meetings with Bolton in USA. Hundreds of them. All gathered together in one place.

    When it comes to a box of chocolates, I always have them all............ LOL.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:24 am

    A well prepared ambush. No doubt others on the Israeli hit list are now taking more care.

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    Tasnim reports on assassination:

    At 2:30 PM Iran time, a Nissan commercial vehicle exploded near Fahrizadeh's car. Immediately afterwards the assassins fired at Fahrizadeh & his bodyguard. Fahrizadeh was rushed by helicopter to the hospital where he died of his wounds
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:00 am

    Assassination of scientisits is something dirty , Israel did it before with the Egyptian female atomic energy scientist Dr Sameera Moussa who was the first Arab woman to obtain a PhD in atomic radiation. They killed her in a "car accident" during her visit to the US .

    Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing.

    They can call it what it is... terrorism, and that if it does not stop immediately with compensation then Iran will start its own programme and start killing Israels best and brightest.

    Israel did it for the same reason that it has been killing its enemies since 1948. To quote from the movie Munich, why cut your finger nails ? They are just gonna grow back.

    Because when you amputate your enemies fingers they can no longer sign peace deals... but they can still form a fist and set off explosive charges...


    Iran is in a tough place. If they hit back too hard , they risk a Serbia/Iraq style air campaign from the US.

    I disagree... if the US wanted to take on Iran they could have done it plenty of times in the past... they are vastly more afraid of Iran than you give them credit for... I think Serbia really surprised them in terms of how well they evaded HATO air power... they were too afraid to send in ground troops there too...

    They have next to no allies that would stand by them. Iran is stuck eating these attacks for now.

    They have no choice but to call for an end to these operations or to respond in kind... attacking Israeli scientists to prevent them developing nukes is redundant so they need to choose their targets via a different criteria... perhaps cultural targets like celebrities, or religious leaders, or educators and academics...

    Or just the 1% rich jews who support Israel perhaps... and also their families...

    They will probably try and stick out the next 50 days of Trump and go from there.

    This policy and activity existed before trump and will continue until stopped.


    As unpalatable as it will be, yes, that’s what they need to do, wait it out. This attack won’t stop things but the wrong response could do.

    So continue to ignore their crimes.... with no penalty...


    Their interests imo would be to redouble their efforts to root out the Mossad safe houses they established during the friendly shah days. That would really hurt israel. Not to mention some intel they would get from their ‘questioning’ of said agents before they caught COVID-19 and succumbed to it....very very difficult for them to achieve this but not impossible either. They need a lucky break, there is always a lucky break.

    They need to clean house, but as shown in many a western movie or UK spy drama... what happens when the people in charge of cleaning house are the spies you are looking for?

    The other point I’d make, is why would such a high value asset only have one armed guard? Why not be in convoy and surrounded by special forces every where he went? From the media reports it would appear there was only 1(?) armed guard with him, a relative who was his bodyguard.
    Given the history of these type assassinations, surely the security should have been stronger and more detailed?

    Hindsight is 20/20.... there are likely enormous numbers of people in the country critical for various different reasons... how many million bodyguards can you train?

    And Usraelis need a constant reminder. So many targets. Iranians are spoilt for choice. I do not see why waiting is of any use. So many Usrael University. So many professors.

    Indeed...

    And if anyone from Albania was involved, well Iranians can reach deep and touch their new camp Ashraf with few BM. Otherwise they hold meetings with Bolton in USA. Hundreds of them. All gathered together in one place.

    X2.

    At 2:30 PM Iran time, a Nissan commercial vehicle exploded near Fahrizadeh's car. Immediately afterwards the assassins fired at Fahrizadeh & his bodyguard. Fahrizadeh was rushed by helicopter to the hospital where he died of his wounds

    A fine line between terrorism and pre-emptive self defence...
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing.
    Publicly expose to whom? The West or the East. The former won't believe the latter doesn't matter.

    Western audience sometimes do not trust their government on domestic matters. But on matter related to Asia, Africa they have tremendous faith in whatever their sinister government tells them.

    Propaganda is asymmetrical, it's only available to the rich. Next, there are 3 external costs to any corporation; Cost of Labor, Cost of Taxes, Cost of Capital. One dollar not going to those is 100% Profit. In the pre SM, MSM days idiots used to think idiotic things, which were initially random, unorganized and neutralized each other, but crooked and ambitious people managed to "polarize" this disorder using social media so that it becomes the greatest political force at their service.


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    Post  crod Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:50 am

    @garry expose what? Do you think the world gives two shits? They don’t.

    Their top nuke scientist travelling with what looks like 1 guard. Sorry but that’s what the secretary in his office should have had. He required a team, that’s not 20/20 vision - that’s plain old incompetence. You’re speaking from your bottom mate.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:22 am

    Yes, when I was posting on IMF, many years ago, when previous batch of Iranian scientists were being killed, I did say that all scientists should be moved to a secure city. With nuclear fallout shelter. There they live and work with family and students and research. I also said that people with high rank and info on Iran defence, should not be allowed to leave Iran. Like Soliemani. He could have been abducted instead. Tortured for information. But whoever leads Iran, lacks power and vision and organising ability. This needs to be sorted out. A smart move. New people at the top.

    But of course the main problem is this religious Fatwa against Nuclear detterent. In my view a politicised factional decision, running against Iranian national interests. This Fatwa must be retracted or ignored by Iranian scientists and military men. Or new leadership be appointed, that will endorse detterent, at least after they are built. No other way for peace.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202011281081301263-iranian-supreme-leader-vows-punishment-for-iranian-scientists-murder/

    Maybe already being done. This time no turning back like 2003.
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    Post  crod Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:27 am

    The fact he was named dropped a few months ago by the israelis should have been ample warning to ramp up his security. Just incredible this has happened given the amount of assassinations that have taken place of the past number of years.
    He was their head guy ffs.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well the first thing they need to do is publicly expose what is happening and list all the victims of what Israel is doing....

    They got exposed ages ago, nobody cares



    GarryB wrote:Because when you amputate your enemies fingers they can no longer sign peace deals...

    Why would anyone waste time on peace deals when he can have victory?



    GarryB wrote:but they can still form a fist ...

    No they can't, not without fingers



    GarryB wrote:and set off explosive charges...

    You can't set off anything with a stump (unless you try using two of them but you will be way too slow and get taken out before you do anything)

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:02 pm

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:20 pm

    Yeah, building a closed city near the plant may not be a bad idea.

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    Post  Isos Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:27 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Yeah, building a closed city near the plant may not be a bad idea.

    This happened in Teheran.

    You can't protect them all always. To do so they must be sure that israel don't do it in fear of a retaliation.

    Anyway that was a stupid move from Israel. Now they legitimize an attack on their civilians AND the iranian nuk program isn't affected because such a program isn't made by one guy like their propagabda tries to make believe.

    He was the top of the program and that only means he managed the teams. He wasn't working directly. They probably have hundreds if not thousands of scientists working on that program.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:37 pm

    From Cyberspec1's twitter:
    #Iran #Fakhrizadeh
    French paper Le Figaro, is also of the opinion that the assassination is a provocation aimed at getting an Iranian armed response to justify a US attack with support from the Saudi coalition.
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    Fmr Head of Israeli Intell: "Such a move could lead to a violent reaction from Iran, which would provide the necessary pretext for a US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities during the remainder of trump's presidency."
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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332489792580329473
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:43 pm


    ".......... You can't protect them all always.........."


    Yes you can. Put them underground, until they produce detterent. Then they can come up for air.
    Together with the ICBM. How long is it going to take ? Probably a few months or a couple of years max. QED. Then they are all protected forever.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:03 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    ".......... You can't protect them all always.........."


    Yes you can. Put them underground, until they produce detterent. Then they can come up for air.
    Together with the ICBM. How long is it going to take ? Probably a few months or a couple of years max. QED. Then they are all protected forever.

    Armored car with more than one bodyguard would have been more than enough

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    Post  par far Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:22 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:From Cyberspec1's twitter:
    #Iran #Fakhrizadeh
    French paper Le Figaro, is also of the opinion that the assassination is a provocation aimed at getting an Iranian armed response to justify a US attack with support from the Saudi coalition.
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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332491597917822978

    #Iran #Fakhrizadeh
    Fmr Head of Israeli Intell: "Such a move could lead to a violent reaction from Iran, which would provide the necessary pretext for a US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities during the remainder of trump's presidency."
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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1332489792580329473



    This was the plan all along, they want Iran to do something stupid, so they can attack Iran but I don't think that Iran will respond this way.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:37 pm

    Why did they use explosives?  They always do this. I think it was simply to stop the car. And then they opened fire. Knowing the car not armoured. Who knew ? But more than this, he was returning home from holidays. So they must have known the exact route of return in advance. Most probably, well  before  he set off. Because too little time to organise a complex attack, in short time. By chasing his car and phoning forward. No guarantee of success. Therefore he must have spoken about route of return , before setting off. Who knew?

    An armoured car can still  be attacked. By RPG or mine. If they can stop a Tank, they can stop armoured car. Or they can attack other targets. As they have done so recently. Wage war. Starve population........ So no we need Nukes to protect against war. Not rusty Iron armour.

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    There is nothing wrong with self defence. Or negotiations. Each in proper measure and in good time. Even conducted simultaneously.  The main problem in Iran is lack of political leadership and  a pro-western Liberal elite with monopoly of power. Looking after itself, not Iran. Looking to subservient role to USA. This  a result of corruption of Iranian culture and revolution...........


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    Post  crod Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:47 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    Why did they use explosives?  They always do this. I think it was simply to stop the car. And then they opened fire. Knowing the car not armoured. Who knew ? But more than this, he was returning home from holidays. So they must have known the exact route of return in advance. Most probably, well  before  he set off. Because too little time to organise a complex attack, in short time. By chasing his car and phoning forward. No guarantee of success. Therefore he must have spoken about route of return , before setting off. Who knew?

    An armoured car can still  be attacked. By RPG or mine. If they can stop a Tank, they can stop armoured car. Or they can attack other targets. As they have done so recently. Wage war. Starve population........ So no we need Nukes to protect against war. Not rusty Iron armour.

    Imo, planned well in advance but waiting for Australia to secure release of their dual citizen first...israels thanks for all its one side support in recent times.
    Make no mistake, the israelis are well embedded in the Iranian security apparatus much like the British and Irish intelligence were in the IRA.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:00 pm

    There are ways of cleaning them out.  But it takes clever tactics. You can bait them by provision of false target or scenario. Put them in situation of facing certain ( fake) death. Test loyalty. Follow them.. Counter intelligence work. IMO, they are rather easy to spot. Mostly young and Amateurish.

    After a while, you get to know how they operate. They have many operatives. All rather eager to get to know you, with surprising coincidental interests, such as yourself... They scan your mobile phone and browsing history and tap your Alexa and smart TV  and even send special messages through a Radio programme, that only you can understand or has personal meaning to you, to spook you... Even cyberspec on this forum, took the trouble to insert my Amazon shopping list  before posting a YouTube video and inviting me to view it....


    But since I know how they operate,   I can loose them, if I wanted to....the only way to stop me, is to put a bullet in my head.... And they know it...... LOL.


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    Post  crod Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:29 pm

    nomadski wrote:There are ways of cleaning them out.  But it takes clever tactics. You can bait them by provision of false target or scenario. Put them in situation of facing certain ( fake) death. Test loyalty. Follow them.. Counter intelligence work. IMO, they are rather easy to spot. Mostly young and Amateurish.

    After a while, you get to know how they operate. They have many operatives. All rather eager to get to know you, with surprising coincidental interests, such as yourself... They scan your mobile phone and browsing history and tap your Alexa and smart TV  and even send special messages through a Radio programme, that only you can understand or has personal meaning to you, to spook you... Even cyberspec on this forum, took the trouble to insert my Amazon shopping list  before posting a YouTube video and inviting me to view it....


    But since I know how they operate,   I can loose them, if I wanted to....the only way to stop me, is to put a bullet in my head.... And they know it...... LOL.



    The safe houses established during the shah days aren’t full of young amateurs, they’re expert israeli agents. My uncle told me about them 30 yrs ago, he had been in one years before that.

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