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    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:32 am

    Well, now that is a lot of nonsense.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:18 am

    If Armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will get angry at them and will seek help from US.

    If Armenia are stupid enough to blame Putin for the ineptitude of their elected leader then what is Russia fighting for?

    I would say Putin fixing all of Armenias problems would vindicate them electing a Navalny as leader.

    I would say to Armenia if Azerbaijan keeps violating the agreements and your wonderful US looking new leader wont ask for help from Russia in fear of upsetting his overlords then you need to get angry and remove him from power and get someone who can get the job done there...

    Russia should not reward Armenia for whoring around for a better deal...

    Happened once. Russia denied it was them and let Turkey blow up SAA for days with its drones flying near Sukhoi which did nothing to protect them. What an ally.

    You are European so we understand you don't understand the definition.

    Russia is in Syria to kill Terrorists... not to fight Turkey or the US or Israel.

    BTW how is your ally the US and your other HATO ally the UK going to split up your Australian Sub deal?

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:57 am

    And yet ruaf still vaporized plenty of Turks in Syria.
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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:42 pm

    The turkish drones had two days of free reign and destroyed a handful of vehicles/guns. But only because the syrian army forget to send air defence units into the freed areas of Idlib. After they realised their mistake the drones fell from the sky like... well, burning drones.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:42 pm

    Hole wrote:The turkish drones had two days of free reign and destroyed a handful of vehicles/guns. But only because the syrian army forget to send air defence units into the freed areas of Idlib. After they realised their mistake the drones fell from the sky like... well, burning drones.

    Which brings me to a point - why doesn't the SAA have more mobile air defense systems on their marches? Or at least not far behind the troops to deal with drones? They are aware that the Turks like to use Drones. So I am pretty sure they are aware of the need to have some kind of AD system not far behind when going forward.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:30 pm

    Herewith a map.. Easy to see the strategic objective.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:46 pm

    The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today. Laughing

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today.  Laughing
    ........

    Literally had that same reaction lol1
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The head master and two naughty boys called into his study today.  Laughing
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    Literally had that same reaction lol1

    I see "Mother" gave you an early Christmas gift ($270) thumbsup
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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:48 am

    He should give them 2 baseball bats and leave the room. Laughing
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    Post  George1 Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:56 am

    Azerbaijan has handed over to Armenia ten servicemen, who were detained during the clashes on November 16 on the countries’ border, Baku’s State Commission for Prisoners of War, Hostages and Missing Persons said on Sunday, noting that the process was mediated by the EU.

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    Post  Regular Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:36 am



    I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:56 am

    Very important. I think a new thread should be made to monitor and cover all this.
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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:39 am

    Looks like Azerbaijan got the go ahead to turn up the heat

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/azerbaijan-demands-withdrawal-armenian-troops-around-nagorno-karabakh-fighting-2022-08-03/

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:42 am

    Turks... and behind them our precious overlords.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:36 am

    Seen from the other perspective, Bayraktar just lost all interest in Ukraine, as there is a much more profitable scene to play commercials Laughing Laughing

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    Post  sundoesntrise Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:38 am

    Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

    This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)

    Bytheway prior to Feb 24 the Azeris had 3 MiG29s in Lviv for maintenance. After the start of the war they told the Ukrainians those MiGs could be used by the Ukrainian airforce.

    Azerbaijani 20N5 82mm mortars and QFAB-250 LG guided bombs have also showed up in Ukraine as well.

    They have been giving free gasoline to all emergency vehicles in Ukraine and to farmers for sowing season

    The Trilateral Agreement needs to be imposed, right the **** now.

    And imposed means imposed. No questions asked.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:59 am

    I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

    The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

    Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

    If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

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    Post  Regular Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:39 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I wonder if this thread will be revived. Hopefully not. Russian peacekeepers reported that all the attacks came from Azeri side… yet they did nothing

    The job of peacekeepers is to monitor and report... in that particular situation they were not in a position to do very much, but it is up to the politicians to hold the guilty parties to account... and one side releasing videos of them breaking the agreement shows a level of stupidity that is rather impressive.

    Perhaps Russian missiles hitting their gas pipelines and refineries and other resources might bring them back in to line... they are seriously vulnerable to attack... and any promises from Turkey or the US will not save them.

    If Armenia does not want to cooperate with Russia and thinks the US can help them perhaps they should be asking the US for assistance.... or maybe approaching Iran might a solution that will shake Turkey and the US into reality...

    I agree. In perfect world Azerbaijan should get Georgian treatment for their actions. But reality is that both EU and Russia are on good terms with their country. There is no animosity. But let’s not forget that Armenian helped Russia with sanctions and they also sent peacekeepers to Kazakhstan together with Russia. They clearly changed their act. In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

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    Post  Azi Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:50 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

    This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)
    Respect???

    Azeris are making business with russians but they are 100 % a western country. If they see a chance to humiliate Armenia they will do it and their western overlords (Turkey, Israel, USA etc) use all their might to persuade them to escalate.

    Do you think the escalation in Kosovo and now from the Azeris is a coincidence? Two conflicts flared up in two days. And in Asia they are provoking China right now. They are trying to disrupt the consensus of states that do not condemn Russia. Soon there will certainly be a bang in Kashmir as well. The goals are clear...to harm Russia wherever possible, to humiliate China and to warn India.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:01 am

    Azi wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:Russia is the guarantor of the 2020 Trilateral November Agreement.

    This is the 100th time that the Azeris are breaking the agreement. I don't sense a lot of respect coming from the Azeris (for Russia)
    Respect???

    Azeris are making business with russians but they are 100 % a western country. If they see a chance to humiliate Armenia they will do it and their western overlords (Turkey, Israel, USA etc) use all their might to persuade them to escalate.

    Do you think the escalation in Kosovo and now from the Azeris is a coincidence? Two conflicts flared up in two days. And in Asia they are provoking China right now. They are trying to disrupt the consensus of states that do not condemn Russia. Soon there will certainly be a bang in Kashmir as well. The goals are clear...to harm Russia wherever possible, to humiliate China and to warn India.

    You missed the point of my post but agree with you anyway (aside from the remark that Azerbaijan is a Western country which it obviously is not). And I basically stated the same in the China-Taiwan thread, to the dissatisfaction of the 'the US is in the ropes' crowd of course.

    As a quick aside, the conflict in Artsakh doesn't officially involve Armenia and their head of state is a complete rat and sellout, and I am personally convinced that they would rather see the Artsakh issue be 'resolved' the Azeri way than continue within the current status quo.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:53 pm

    The fight (great power competition) is just starting... there's gonna be many more rounds before a player shows serious signs of being on the ropes.

    As for being a good peacekeeping guarantor. It's all about having leverage on both parties and willing to use that leverage to ensure the kids play nice - and the parties believing that such leverage will be used if they behave wrongly. There is a very small clique in Azerbaijan holding the tide, still keeping positive and balanced ties with Russia (president himself included). Unfortunately the majority of Azeri elites are no longer russophiles, but Turkophiles and "Westophiles". Ticking clock if you ask me. Russia should come up with a detailed and balanced proposal for peace and new territory demarcation that's final, and it needs to get the two sides to agree to it. Failure here leads to war of might makes right.
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    Post  par far Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:26 pm

    There is this disturbing video of an Azerbaijani solider cutting the throat of an old Armenian, these bastards need to stop this.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:31 am

    In my opinion Russia should try to stop the hostilities with all means possible.

    I totally agree... Russia making it clear to Azerbaijan how vulnerable they are to attack by Russia (as opposed to by NK or Armenia) and the information that starting something now will lead to such actions becoming reality to cool their heels might be a good way to prevent/avoid further bloodshed.

    War should always be the last option, but in this case Russia has all the cards... perhaps that is what the US wants... Russia to wipe out energy assets in Azerbaijan, which would effect supplies promised to the EU so they can blame Russia again for the hardship the EU is about to suffer over the next few years, while saying to the rest of the world how quick to violence Russia is... ignoring their own history of course.

    As a quick aside, the conflict in Artsakh doesn't officially involve Armenia and their head of state is a complete rat and sellout, and I am personally convinced that they would rather see the Artsakh issue be 'resolved' the Azeri way than continue within the current status quo.

    If anyone should be reacting is it Armenia but they seem to not be that bothered...

    Unfortunately the majority of Azeri elites are no longer russophiles, but Turkophiles and "Westophiles". Ticking clock if you ask me. Russia should come up with a detailed and balanced proposal for peace and new territory demarcation that's final, and it needs to get the two sides to agree to it. Failure here leads to war of might makes right.

    Well if true that suggests a solution is on its way... either they sign a new deal or they become anti Russia like the west... either would be a solution, but ironically turning to the west to solve the problem would lead to Russias solutions becoming much more black and white and rather less fair and balanced as far as Azerbaijan is concerned... but as you say... it is up to them.

    Ironic they could make the same choices that Armenia seems to have made that made this whole situation possible in the first place... very ironic.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:35 pm

    If Erdogan is truly on his way to Sochi, then this escalation is not at the behest of the West; at least not directly -
    but rather a favour to Erdogan to increase his bargaining power; Turkey being Azerbaijan's closest ally

    A different matter however is whether Erdogan is on his way to Sochi to discuss with Putin his own concerns and national interests, or present to him Western demands vis-a-vis the Ukraine. The later would make Azerbaijan an accomplice in the attempted military containment of Russia

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