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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 16, 2021 4:56 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Tanks transporting vehicle was hit by Hamas .

    Seems to have been a fluke. One Merkava less now.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 16, 2021 7:57 pm

    An old but relevant tweet

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    Post  mavaff Mon May 17, 2021 4:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is all about who runs out of missiles first

    If Palestinians run dry first then it's over

    If Israelis run out of interceptors (which can't be slapped together as fast as dumb rockets Palestinians use) then Israel will start taking massive damage and will be forced to go for land invasion to try and cut it off at the source (that or carpet bombing or both)

    Question is do they have enough Iron Dome dakka stored away for rainy days?


    it seems they are firing empty rockets to make them waste some Iron Dome missiles.

    https://nitter.fdn.fr/I30mki/status/1394092314654478336#m
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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 17, 2021 6:14 pm

    There were reports that this was a targeted location. Maybe they hit it. If they did it will add significantly to the economic cost of this war to Israel.

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    Israeli Army radio: A large fire has broken out on a natural gas extraction platform in the Mediterranean off Haifa.

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    This is the gas production platform Leviatan, off Haifa, which is visible from land.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 17, 2021 6:22 pm

    The Biden administration just approved a $735 million arms deal. The deal will primarily focus on Israel acquiring missiles and bombs as presumably the IAF is running short.

    From memory there could already be large stocks in US bonded storage already in Israel. If so availability would be immediate.

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    Post  elconquistador Mon May 17, 2021 10:44 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is all about who runs out of missiles first

    If Palestinians run dry first then it's over

    If Israelis run out of interceptors (which can't be slapped together as fast as dumb rockets Palestinians use) then Israel will start taking massive damage and will be forced to go for land invasion to try and cut it off at the source (that or carpet bombing or both)

    Question is do they have enough Iron Dome dakka stored away for rainy days?


    It's not the rockets, it's the launchpads
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    Post  flamming_python Mon May 17, 2021 11:20 pm

    elconquistador wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is all about who runs out of missiles first

    If Palestinians run dry first then it's over

    If Israelis run out of interceptors (which can't be slapped together as fast as dumb rockets Palestinians use) then Israel will start taking massive damage and will be forced to go for land invasion to try and cut it off at the source (that or carpet bombing or both)

    Question is do they have enough Iron Dome dakka stored away for rainy days?


    It's not the rockets, it's the launchpads

    The Israelis can't target the launchpads efficiently, they're moved around through underground tunnels and onto the tops of buildings or into some camouflaged bushes or whatever; fired off, and then withdrawn

    The Israelis can target the tunnels themselves and they have been. As well as targeting buildings, which is as stupid as targeting bushes, but they in their mindset, have to 'enact the price' or 'show strength' to Hamas somehow.

    EDIT: Screw it, I'll spare the civilizational lessons
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 17, 2021 11:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:The Israelis can't target the launchpads efficiently, they're moved around through underground tunnels and onto the tops of buildings...

    Well that ain't kosher

    You don't get to complain about buildings getting blown up when you do a no-no like this


    Still it will be interesting to see who runs out first, this latest kerfufle wasn't planned in advance by either side so we will see who was better at saving for the rainy days

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    Post  lancelot Tue May 18, 2021 1:06 am

    I think the chance that was happening is about as likely as that TV station in Belgrade HATO bombed being used for radar tracking.
    It is just a way to shut the media up and control the narrative.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 18, 2021 1:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The Israelis can't target the launchpads efficiently, they're moved around through underground tunnels and onto the tops of buildings...

    Well that ain't kosher

    You don't get to complain about buildings getting blown up when you do a no-no like this


    Still it will be interesting to see who runs out first, this latest kerfufle wasn't planned in advance by either side so we will see who was better at saving for the rainy days


    That's what the Israelis claim at any rate, or rather one of the guys who knows about this conflict that I listen to.

    You can still blame them because they're not targeting the launchers themselves and can't. They're targeting what they call Hamas infrastructure. But they're actually giving residents warning (or were, I think they've just taken to blow shit up immediately now). Giving the residents warning however removes the raison de etre for the strike in the first place, because if Hamas is there they'll evacuate just as quickly.

    The end result is just civilians caught in the blast radius of a bomb in an incredibly densely packed reservation of the ol' natives whose population has doubled over the past 20 years, and so the strike is effectively just punitive.

    But I'm not really criticizing the Israeli methods here. You can't make a war humanitarian, that's what everyone seems to be missing. Nor is it about proportionality, or how many kids have died or anything like that. Every war is going to end up disproportionate whether it's sooner or it's later, and with a whole bunch of dead innocents.
    Humanitarian is to avoid war, and certainly not starting one against the local punching bag because you have a criminal investigation ongoing and you don't want to be stripped of your immunity by the new political coalition that's about to depose you. And the punching bag is only angry at you because you broke into the place in the first place and started disrespecting shit.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 18, 2021 1:23 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The Israelis can't target the launchpads efficiently, they're moved around through underground tunnels and onto the tops of buildings...

    Well that ain't kosher

    You don't get to complain about buildings getting blown up when you do a no-no like this


    Still it will be interesting to see who runs out first, this latest kerfufle wasn't planned in advance by either side so we will see who was better at saving for the rainy days


    Hamas will go for a ceasefire. Civilian casualties have been fairly low if you consider the amount of ordinance dropped on this 360 square km strip of land that houses nearly 2 million people.

    But the psychological terror of it is not to be underestimated. People literally have nowhere to go on short notice, not to Egypt, and certainly not outside the zone to Israel. You better hope there isn't a Hamas tunnel underneath you or you happen to be standing next to the wrong person's house at any given time.

    So I don't think the population can take much more of it.

    But for Hamas the job is done and basically with a better result than anything they could have imagined. The next front is the West Bank which is only heating up, as well as the non-violent wing of the uprising.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 18, 2021 6:12 am

    lancelot wrote:I think the chance that was happening is about as likely as that TV station in Belgrade HATO bombed being used for radar tracking.
    It is just a way to shut the media up and control the narrative.

    While media and narrative angle do come into play it's not comparable situation

    In Serbia NATO was unable to track down and target the military which was out in the sticks and avoiding cities so they were coming up with BS excuses to target civilian areas

    In Palestine Hamas is actually and intentionally hiding inside cities


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    Post  Sujoy Tue May 18, 2021 7:20 am

    That illegal U.S led invasion of Iraq in the 90s not only made Israel more belligerent but also encouraged the Israeli leadership to promote similar invasions in others parts of Middle East and Africa.

    Almost all the Muslims both in Middle East and elsewhere who are now condemning Israel and are even willing to go on a jihad against the Jewish state were supporting their own government/Arab states that backed the U.S in the First Gulf War.  Uriah Heep psychology isn't prone to common sense though.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 18, 2021 8:55 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Israelis can't target the launchpads efficiently, they're moved around through underground tunnels and onto the tops of buildings or into some camouflaged bushes or whatever; fired off, and then withdrawn

    The Israelis can target the tunnels themselves and they have been. As well as targeting buildings, which is as stupid as targeting bushes, but they in their mindset, have to 'enact the price' or 'show strength' to Hamas somehow.

    EDIT: Screw it, I'll spare the civilizational lessons

    Your source will have to come up some sources for that. I haven't seen any released IDF footage so far where rockets get launched from rooftop buildings or something similar

    I did see a lot of IDF footage that was purposely downgraded though. Obviously to support their narrative

    All these are indications, to me at least, that this air campaign is not nearly as successful as the Israelis are wanting us to believe. The low HAMAS body count is another. Hamas, like Hezbollah, has a martyrdom cult. They don't hide their deaths (in any significant numbers at least)

    It should also be noted that the pattern of taking out vital civilian infrastructure (and chalking it up to (insert 'terrorist' organisation) activities) is part and parcel of Israeli military strategies. Wikileaks leaked documents now known as the 'Dahiyeh Doctrine' years ago.

    Bomb stuff to punish the enemy and undercut domestic support for them. The last part is not working of course.

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2329_a.html
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue May 18, 2021 10:32 am

    213 palestinians deaths including 61 child/baby and 36 women , 1442 injuries .

    Usrael strategy to counter the missiles in Lebanon and Gaza is putting the pressure on civilians and make them pay the price trying to create an opposition against the resistance .Israelis would release a video while calling people in a tower asking them to leave because the bombing is coming ,something seems gentle but behind the scene they destroyed hundreds of buildings and there are no hundreds of phone calls ,some families just buried down their houses .

    Between 1am and 2am on May 16 Usrael carried out airstrikes against residential buildings and streets in Gaza City. The attacks completely destroyed two residential buildings belonging to the Abu al-Ouf and al-Kolaq families – killing 30 people – 11 of them children.

    The families residing in the four-story al-Ouf building, which included residential apartments and shops, received no prior warning , they were buried beneath the rubble in the attack.

    Israeli attacks have damaged water and electricity infrastructure as well as medical facilities and halted the operations of the North Gaza Seawater Desalination plant, which supplies water to more than 250,000 people.

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    Post  ahmedfire Tue May 18, 2021 10:51 am

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    Hamas fires rockets at Hatzerim Israeli Air Force Base.
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    @MaarivOnline

    Two people have been killed by a Hamas rocket that directly hit a home in the Eshkol region of Israel. 8 others were wounded.
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    @Intel_Sky

    This video has not been published due of military censorship. Real damage of Hamas missiles on Petah Tikva Flag of Israel.
    This video is sent by a person to his girlfriend named Shushanah.

    https://twitter.com/Intel_Sky/status/1393890437950328838
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    Direct impact into the side of a building in Ashdod.

    https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1394626193597648896

    Other rocket impact
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    Post  ahmedfire Tue May 18, 2021 11:02 am

    Egypt to allocate $500 mln for Gaza rebuilding effort: Presidency .

    Egyptian companies will also participate in rebuilding operations, the statement added in an announcement that came following a meeting between President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, French President Emmanuel Macron and Jordan’s King Abdullah in Paris.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2021/05/18/Egypt-to-allocate-500-mln-for-Gaza-rebuilding-effort-Presidency

    Egypt allocates 165 ambulances, 11 hospitals to transfer, receive injured Palestinians from Gaza

    Egypt announced on Monday allocating a total of 165 ambulances and 11 hospitals for the treatment of the Palestinians injured due to the Israeli aggression on Gaza, which claimed the lives of dozens of Palestinians.

    Health Minister Hala Zayed reviewed with Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouly the state's plan to transfer and support the injured Palestinians coming from Gaza, amid the week-long aggression on the strip.

    In a Cabinet meeting with Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouli, Zayed said the ministry has allocated 165 ambulances to transfer the injured Palestinians, including 50 equipped with intensive care units and ventilators.
    There will be 65 ambulances that work in the North Sinai cities and the remaining 50 ambulances will act as a backup, Zayed said.

    Hospitals that would receive and treat the injured Palestinians are based on three support lines; which are the hospitals of North Sinai, the hospitals of Ismailia and the hospitals of Greater Cairo, Zayed said.

    Three hospitals in North Sinai will receive the injured Palestinians with a total of 288 beds in addition to 81 ICU beds and 233 doctors, according to Zayed.

    Two hospitals in Ismailia will also receive the injured Gaza citizens with a total of 385 beds and 85 ICU beds and 1,145 doctors and nurses.

    In Greater Cairo, six hospitals will receive the patients with a total of 784 beds, 179 ICU beds and 3,606 doctors and nurses.
    Cases coming from Gaza through the Rafah Crossing will be transferred to the Sheikh Zuweid hospital in North Sinai in case they require urgent medical intervention.

    They will then be moved to the El-Arish General Hospital and Bir El-Abd Central Hospital in North Sinai, Zayed noted.

    Patients whose cases are highly serious will be kept at the Sheikh Zuweid hospital and will be reevaluated.

    The operations room and the central chamber in North Sinai is in charge of transferring the injured Palestinians to the Cairo and Ismailia hospitals, Zayed said.
    Zayed said the health directorates in North Sinai and Ismailia have been supported by an exceptional batch of medicine and emergency equipment that would be sufficient over the next three months.

    Also, the state of preparedness has been raised in the regional blood bank in Arish to supply the hospitals with donated blood and its derivatives, Zayed said.

    The ministry also coordinated with the regional blood bank in Ismailia to provide a reserve of donated blood and its derivatives when required.

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    Post  ahmedfire Tue May 18, 2021 4:35 pm

    Egypt offers ceasefire from 6am Thursday
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    Post  elconquistador Wed May 19, 2021 5:19 am

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-accuses-chinese-state-tv-of-antisemitism-over-comment-on-influence-of-wealthy-jews-in-the-us/

    Minor diplomatic spat between Israel and China over a Chinese state television station stating that the US is run by 'wealthy Jews'

    Hilarious. Israel immediately responded by throwing out below the belt accusations of 'anti-semitism' and whatnot. I am afraid that spell is not going to work with the Chinese guys, the days of impunity are gradually coming to an end.

    The Chinese (and East Asians in general, even Taiwanese and Japanese) are incredibly aware of issues related to this matter. They know and don't care if they get labelled whatever stupid epitaph is the buzzword of the day (their banks are also not controlled by foreign elites)

    Another example

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    Explosions heard in Jaffa, Tel Aviv-Yafo, Israel Flag of Israel
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    Gaza border communities under mortar fire now, residents of 0-4km from border ordered to remain in shelters.
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    Four rockets rockets were launched from southern Lebanon toward #Israel

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    Israeli media : some military equipments were damaged after the Hamas shelling on Hatzerim Israeli Air Force Base.
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    5 rockets impacted Sderot in the last barrage from Gaza. One light-moderately wounded, damage caused.
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    Al-Qassam Brigades unveils a new drone called the "Zouari" which is named after its former chief drone engineer Muhammad Zouari who was killed in a targeted operation in 2016.
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    Al-Qassam UAVs spotting Usraeli army.
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    Post  Yugo90 Wed May 19, 2021 3:20 pm

    It's really amazing how well equipped is Hamass. I thought they don't even have bullets for war...
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    Post  ahmedfire Wed May 19, 2021 3:23 pm

    Posted by Tom Cooper regarding the performance of IAF .


    Meanwhile it's becoming nothing but silly to monitor the 'performance' of the 'best air force of the World'.

    According to its own official releases, the IASF has struck literal dozens of 'command and control centres' in the Gaza Stip over the last 24 hours. Certainly enough, 0 evidence was provided for even one of objects in question being anything of that kind: some were residences of diverse Palestinian civilian- and military officials, no dobut. But, the rest....?

    ...which is raising the question of WTF is the IASF actually targeting?

    Well, it could be the IDF and the IASF are not 'directly' targeting such places, but the WHO says that the Israeli attacks have 'damaged at least 18 hospitals and clinics and destroyed one health facility'.

    The later was the Gaza's only laboratory for testing the CORONA-virus. Thus, one is left to conclude: first the Israelis exterminate the top ranks of the Palestinian anti-COVID campaign, and then their primary facility, too, so that nobody and nothing is left to care about the pandemics.

    Furthermore, over the last 24 hours, the best air force in the World and the best Navy in the World have knocked out (between others):

    - the building of the Qatari Red Crescent (there is simply no doubt the Israelis have targeted it, and they knew what's in that building);
    - one desalinisation plant (used to provide drinking water for 250,000 people);
    - Gaza's biggest library, and
    - a refugee camp in which 11 children treated for trauma from all the bombardment were massacred...

    Unsurprisingly, director of B'Tselem (leading Israeli HR-organisation) is meanwhile openly talking not only about 'disproportional attacks', but _war crimes_.

    (Just some food for thoughts: from that POV, anybody supporting such 'military' operations is complicit in war crimes, too....)

    For those who might be concerned that the IDF is going to run out of ammo: don't worry, Biden is going to get through his sale of PGMs worth $735 million to Israel, signed on 5 May. The few representatives in the Congress that just considered the option of complaining, are meanwhile all zip-lip.

    In turn, during 18 May, the QBs of Hamas and the PIJ have reported multiple rocket strikes on no less than _six_ IASF air bases, including:
    - Hatzor
    - Hatzerim
    - Nevatim
    - Tel Nof
    - Palmachim, and
    - Ramon, plus one ammunition storage facility somewhere between Ashdod and Ashkelon.

    With other words: yes, they do try to strike military targets - they did so at least nine times yesterday alone (thus spending most of their 300+ rockets fired over the last 24 hours 'just' for this purpose) - and this is confirmed by the attached map, showing a string of 'red alerts' for rocket strikes leding in direction of the double-air base of Hatzerim, west of Beersheba, and Nevatim, east of Beersheba, just for example.

    Is there evidence any of these air bases was hit? No. The Israeli military censorship is never going to confirm anything of this: that would legitimise what the Palestinians are actually doing (even if, yes, and as already discussed: the mass of their rockets are either misisng their targets, or shot down, while a few are certainly striking civilian objects, and have killed two civilians, yesterday).

    https://www.facebook.com/keksifarm.hayday/posts/2885259291744631

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed May 19, 2021 3:31 pm

    Yugo90 wrote:It's really amazing how well equipped is Hamass. I thought they don't even have bullets for war...

    They have experience to use the basic materials to make weapons .

    Here is a video released by the resistance showing how they are using anything even searching for underground water pipes to make rockets .

    Also they used the not exploded usrael munitions to make rockets .



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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 19, 2021 8:03 pm

    One problem that the IDF has is that many of the IAF airfields were located away from the perceived threats of 70 or so years ago and are vulnerable to today's threat, Hamas.

    Link to a post containing a Hamas video on IAF bases within their range. Don't understand it as its in Arabic.

    https://twitter.com/Amazon1Amazon/status/1395135749763239938

    Looks like a translation of the previous link

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    The most prominent Zionist air force bases that was targeted by the Al-Qassam Brigades in the Battle of the Sword of Jerusalem:

    Palmachim base/ intended for testing and launching satellites, and it contains the 166 squadron.

    Tel Nof base / contains two squadrons of F-15 aircraft, and an air defense base.

    Hatzor Base / Contains training equipment for F-15 and F-16 aircraft, and it has 101 and 105 squadrons.

    Hatzerim base / contains 3 squadrons of F-15 and F-16 aircraft

    Nevatim Base / contains F-35 and 116 aircraft squadron

    Ramon Base / contains 3 squadrons of warplanes



    Apparently more Israeli bases were shelled last night which may have come as a surprise for the IDF with Hamas targeting six major Israeli air bases in various parts of Israel, as well as other ground military bases.


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