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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:12 am

    Quite ambiguous (in the sense that it doesn't mention whether they've cut the gas), but clearly they've gone to pre-payment:
    Газпром ввел режим предоплаты за газ для Украины
    RIA wrote:"ГАЗПРОМ" ВВЕЛ РЕЖИМ ПРЕДОПЛАТЫ ПОСТАВОК РОССИЙСКОГО ГАЗА НА УКРАИНУ ИЗ-ЗА НЕОПЛАТЫ В СРОК ДОЛГОВ — КОМПАНИЯ
    РИА НОВОСТИ

    I guess the Americans had their way this time too, and the 'Europeans' are sidelined as always.


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    RT is reporting on it now:
    Gazprom stops supplying unpaid-for gas to Ukraine as deadline passes
    RT Breaking News wrote:There will be no more delays for Ukraine to start paying for gas it gets from Russia, gas giant Gazprom announced. After failing for months to cover its gas bill, Kiev now has to pay for any gas it wants in advance.

    Ukraine has accumulated a multi-billion dollar debt for natural gas supplied by Russia and is unwilling to pay. It calls the gas contract that former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko signed with Russia back in 2009 unacceptable and demands that Russia lower the price.

    Moscow was willing to offer a discount and even recalculate the debt Ukraine has accumulated since April to account for it, but Kiev rejected the offer, saying it was not good enough. Gazprom considers Ukraine’s position a form of blackmail.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:32 am

    Oh, and about those sanctions...well seems some people don't really intend to lose their profits because of them:
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5 - Page 18 Bqoteo10
    Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson at 21st World Petroleum Congress in Moscow.
    Has the US bitten more than it can chew?! One can only hope!
     russia 
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:37 am

    Oh, and I don't read Krout, but from the few words that I understand, they'll have a presser about the situation:
    Twitter wrote:#Pressekonferenz mit #EU-Kommissar @GOettingerEU: Ab 10 Uhr im #EUHaus #Wien.Thema:Trilaterale Gespräche @EU_Commission-#Ukraine-#Russland

    10:00 Vienna time is in an hour-and-a-half from now...should be interesting...

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    They tweeted in English too just now:
    Pathetics wrote:10amCET: @GOettingerEU press conference on #energy security following trilateral talks with #Ukraine & #Russia. Live:http://europa.eu/!pg63MP


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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:45 am

    Hahaha.. This is a very very interesting report.. This just confirm to the point of being ridiculous Obvious ,that the more
    time pass the worse it will be for Ukraine. and that TIME is on the side of Russia.. In theory all that Russia needs to do is to help the rebels to Hold for a couple of months and by the time they will have enough international Big Army to counter any NATO mercenary thugs intervention.The only thing they have in common is being ANTI Facism forces.

    According to the report there are more international mercenaries in Ukraine that we think ..
    The Donetsk forces have voluntaries from Poland (yes incredible but true) ,Italy ,Greece ,Serbia ,belarrusians,
    Moldovans ,Chechens and Russians. There are also Germans.. yes.. Germans they are planning to create a battalion
    called <Ernst Thalmann> that will go to fight against the Nazis in Kiev. There is information from fighters from France
    and Spain too.. Colombians and Peruan medics also flying to Donetsk.  So bassically this is the Syrian war totally Reversed..  Laughing 
    Now the good guys are the rebels and with volunteers from all around the world.. There is heavy presence of Italians too .Very Happy 

    If anyone do not see the end of the movie ..how this is going to develop if last for long.. This could actually end becoming NATO
    fighting their own citizens that disagree with their government support for Nazis in Ukraine.  Laughing  But this does not ends there..
    If the international movement becomes very popular ,this can blow back to Fascist government in NATO in their own countries..
    Because can create a very strong wave of anti-NATO sentiment in all Europe. If for example less say Poland send its military to ukraine
    they will end fighting Polish Mercenaries that support the Donetsk forces. Ukraine can potentially become and international Big war
    without Russia or NATO officially invading with the overwhelming public opinion on the side of Russia.  Cool 

    some pics of the international  Anti -kiev ,anti-Nazi fighters.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5 - Page 18 Vostok2

    THose look like very professional soldiers .what kind of manpads are those?

    and here is a map of the battlezone in E.Ukraine.. if the map is correct.. means that the Rebels
    Have created a safe zone for the Russian Army to enter in Ukraine ,from the border all the way to Donetsk ,
    taking alternative roads. Light Blue zones = Kiev , dark red =Anti-Kiev bases ,light red =Anti kiev total control ,near pink = contested.

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    Post  Asf Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:00 am

    THose look like very professional soldiers .what kind of manpads are those?
    They are professional, as they most likely served in the Army. Westerners nowadays have a prejudice toward conscript soldiers, but they know how to handle a Strela. Yes, those manpads seems to be Strela-2 and Strela-3
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:08 am

    NYT article on evacuation of Slavyansk's children:
    Evacuating Children Along a Dangerous Ukraine Route
    NewYorkTimes
    FT article on Poroshenko calling for more sanctions on Russia:
    Ukraine president calls for new sanctions
    FinancialTimes

    Though Anti-Russia biased (as ever) the first one is really a good read.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:13 am


    More about the gas:
    “They’ve paid zero. Correspondingly we deliver zero,” Sergey Kupriyanov, a Gazprom spokesperson said in a press conference following the announcement.
    Gazprom announced that it is filing a lawsuit against Naftogaz with the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce Arbitration to seek payment of the $4.5 billion debt.

    And this map that explains the whole thing:
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:41 am

    macedonian wrote:Quite ambiguous (in the sense that it doesn't mention whether they've cut the gas), but clearly they've gone to pre-payment:

    They're not going to cut all gas supplies just not send any for Ukraine. The gas destined for the EU will still go through....which no doubt they will steal. So the show will go on, but then the EU will have to deal with Ukraine.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:47 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Quite ambiguous (in the sense that it doesn't mention whether they've cut the gas), but clearly they've gone to pre-payment:

    They're not going to cut all gas supplies just not send any for Ukraine. The gas destined for the EU will still go through....which no doubt they will steal. So the show will go on, but then the EU will have to deal with Ukraine.
    Yes, I know that's how it works but wasn't obvious from that first TASS report.
    The later RT's report on it was clearer. Cheers  Smile 
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:49 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Quite ambiguous (in the sense that it doesn't mention whether they've cut the gas), but clearly they've gone to pre-payment:

    They're not going to cut all gas supplies just not send any for Ukraine. The gas destined for the EU will still go through....which no doubt they will steal. So the show will go on, but then the EU will have to deal with Ukraine.

    This will truly test NATO commitments, if Ukraine ends up stealing gas from the European people how can they justify to Europeans that paying for gas that they won't receive is worth fighting for so long as they get to stay in the vassal-state system called NATO!?
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    Post  arpakola Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:53 am

    Russian military again redeployed to Ukrainian border , Rostov , Novoshakhtisnk




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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:29 am

    On other news.. it have been revealed by the Donetsk Forces that the Nazis Right Sector National guard are against news
    for friendly Fire ,unfriendly fire.

    Everyone remember the APC that was abandoned in Russia by kiev forces when they cross Russia Border?
    The APC stop working and the Russian Border guards allowed them to leave but without the damaged military vehicle ,when they Enter Ukraine Again The Right Sector Kills the Ukrainian Soldiers for abandoning the APC vehicle.  Neutral 

    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/131207-ucrania-sector-derecho-fusilamiento

    This is the way to really divide the Ukraine Army.. to really show the real face of the Government they have in Power..
    That Fascism is what rules in Kiev and that they cannot stay idle while other Ukrainian Soldiers are being criminally killed by the Right Sector
    and the Government in Kiev allows them to do it.  The more people in Ukrainians are aware of what is really happening in eastern Ukraine
    the war crimes of the Nazi groups ,the more the public opinion will be AGAINST Kiev and the more people will Rebel against their own Government. And the more the army will split. and we also have the incident of the military cargo plane that apparently is speculated was shot down by the Right Sector too .. Public Opinion in wars is everything.. you can avoid or ends wars with very strong Public Opinion alone.
    This is why is very important for Russia to send as many International Journalist as possible in E.Ukraine to cover Kiev Army warcrimes.
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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:00 am

    Asf wrote:
    THose look like very professional soldiers .what kind of manpads are those?
    They are professional, as they most likely served in the Army. Westerners nowadays have a prejudice toward conscript soldiers, but they know how to handle a Strela. Yes, those manpads seems to be Strela-2 and Strela-3
    As an ex serviceman I must say that even few years off service can make green like grass. Btw strela is point and shoot weapon. Only thing you have to know is how to observe sky and choose right place for your operation.
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    Post  Asf Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:13 am

    As an ex serviceman I must say that even few years off service can make green like grass
    Still better than nothing.
    Btw strela is point and shoot weapon.
    Rifle is a "point and shoot" weapon too. Hitting targer is an issue, not just shooting. I'm no way an AA expert, I presume most of the work is made by their commanding officer as it's a matter of tactics, still you just can't give manpads to miners and office managers and hope to win. This is not how military works, only in Hollywood films may be. It's only John Rambo, who can take any weapon and use it with 110% degree of effeciency and even ram a helicopter with the tank
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:10 am

    A popular quote of Winston Churchill about Russia was..

    Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

    And this is one of the things that more puzzle and confuse the westers ZionNazis Neocons about Russia ,
    but it became much more extreme and brutally truthful that quote in modern times with Putin but also medvedev in power.
    Medvendev even betrayed Qadaffi and did not stopped the no fly zone resolution ,who was a good Russian weapons client..  Laughing 
    and if that wasn't bad enough Medvedev dropped a few Jabs at Assad too ,falling short of telling him ,that he needs to resign. When
    clearly Assad was a victim of a NATO staged revolution..as Yakunovych was.. but a more brutal one with real guns from the start and alqaeda instead of nazis.

    Because you have France ,Turkey and Israel and saudi Arabia  sending terrorist to assasinate and destroy Syria.. and major Russian ally.
    and at the same time Russia instead of declaring a cold war to them and breaking relations ,they increase business with them.. they even closed the deal with the Mistral Warship with france ,when France was sending special forces to overthrow Assad in Syria. And lets not mention How a very close ally of Putin Hugo Chavez.. was ordered to be assasinated by the previous French president and still putin maintained relations with them.

    It is the fact that Russia will do business with anyone ,money is money and Russia will do business even with their
    Enemies.. Imagine the shock for many.. when in the interview a recent one , Putin told about having good relations
    with Saudi Arabia and expect to continue in having more.  Shocked 

    This is also very confusing for many when Obama traveled all Europe to isolate Russia energy business , and even blackmailed many
    American companies to not attend the ST petersburg economy forum.. and recomended wallstreet to not attend to the forum,but the biggest
    companies did it.. Citibank for example controlled by the Rockeffellers ,who are seen as the real owners USA..They control the Federal Reserve who prints American money ,have excelent business with Russia.. same with JP morgan. So in Theory.. Russia is just 2 steps away of becoming another United States.. and Land of bankers Mafia ,and sponsor of Terrorism. For the simply reason that they do business with anyone regardless if the money is dirty ,filled with blood or not. But amazingly enough they draw a line always ,between whats right and wrong.


    So if Putin went crazy and wanted to cross the line ,he could overnight Replace United States as the center of world economy..and have the Rockefellers and Zionist in control of Russia foreign policy in change of helping Russia to become the world #1 economy and the Ruble the new standard. and with the condition that they eliminate US from the map as a world power and that Russia will support their cause. So im not sure today if that aproach is the right thing to do.. Because in Syria war it worked albeit lots too many civilians killed .so in a year or two ,depending on how things ends in Ukraine for Russia ,and how their economy change we will know for sure  if he did the right thing.


    and what made me talk about this..  
    Zionist Rockefellers Banks recommending to invest in Russia..  Suspect
     
    Citibank recommends buying Russian telecom giant Rostelecom
    http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736235

    Rockefellers for many are either the real owners of United States ,but others simply say ,have a lot of influence in US internal and external
    politics and Presidents elected. a good video to see about How Bankers manipulate world economies ,mostly western ones , bankrupt nations and or help to instigate world wars.. a must see..  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
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    Post  arpakola Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:21 am

    Kiev pumps astronomical volumes of gas into underground storages without paying
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_16/Kiev-pumps-astronomical-volumes-of-gas-into-underground-storages-without-paying-Gazprom-CEO-5941/

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_16/Kiev-pumps-astronomical-volumes-of-gas-into-underground-storages-without-paying-Gazprom-CEO-5941/
    For the period that Ukraine has not paid for Russian gas supplies, it has pumped astronomical volumes into its underground gas storage facilities, Gazprom’s CEO Alexey Miller said Monday. Out of 12.5 billion cubic meters of gas in Ukraine’s underground storages, 11.5 billion cubic meters is Russian gas that Ukraine has not paid for, Miller added. He said the storage facilities should have over 18 billion cubic meters to be prepared for winter.

    Gazprom has an agreement with the European Commission that if shipments of gas through Ukraine are interrupted, then the issue of OPAL pipeline capacity will be resolved, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said at a press conference at Interfax's central office.
    The commission currently has a ban on Gazprom's use of 50% capacity at the eastern branch of where the Nord Stream pipeline meets OPAL.
    The conditions that were proposed to Kiev during gas talks were better than the conditions in place under former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said at a meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
    Firstly, the Russian side was ready to guarantee that the discount of $100 per 1,000 cubic meters would not change and ultimately proposed "guaranteeing no change in the discount until the current contract expires, that is, until the end of 2019," Miller said.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_16/Kiev-pumps-astronomical-volumes-of-gas-into-underground-storages-without-paying-Gazprom-CEO-5941/
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    Post  Regular Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:59 am

    Asf wrote:
    As an ex serviceman I must say that even few years off service can make green like grass
    Still better than nothing.
    Btw strela is point and shoot weapon.
    Rifle is a "point and shoot" weapon too. Hitting targer is an issue, not just shooting. I'm no way an AA expert, I presume most of the work is made by their commanding officer as it's a matter of tactics, still you just can't give manpads to miners and office managers and hope to win. This is not how military works, only in Hollywood films may be. It's only John Rambo, who can take any weapon and use it with 110% degree of effeciency and even ram a helicopter with the tank
    Haha Very Happy If those miners and office managers are commanded by right men they can actually cause a havoc on Ukrainian rotary and fixed wing aircraft. It's more important to be ready and in right position to engage flying objects. To get a lock on and press shoot is easy. MANPADs are way easier to use than AT tank weapons. I have some experience with RBS-70 which is actually harder to use than fire and forget Grom or Strela.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:18 pm

    The fcukers are shelling the civilian area in Kramatorsk!


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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:46 pm

    And they're moving some heavy stuff towards Lugansk:

    Seps need some serious help PRONTO!
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:53 pm

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says he will offer ceasefire
    He noted that the country has "no need to involve in a protracted negotiation process"
    TASS wrote:KIEV, June 16./ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Monday that he would offer a plan to introduce a ceasefire in the country.
    “I hope it will happen this week,” Poroshenko said at a meeting of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.
    Poroshenko noted that the country has "no need to involve in a protracted negotiation process."
    "The lion's share of the peace plan outlined in my inauguration's speech," Poroshenko said.
    TASS
    I think he bets that they'll take Kramatorsk and Lugansk by the time he announces the ceasefire.
    But I really hope they don't. It's all up to Strelkov and his men now. Godspeed to them!
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    Post  macedonian Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:26 pm

    OK, I know it's hard to say they just went FULL RETARD regarding the Ukrainian Government,
    but this is just straight out of Hitler's book:


    Ukraine's Land Agency give land to soldiers in the east for free
    Kyiv Post wrote:Land parcels will be given out for free to the servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military formations, as well as to the employees of Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine that are defending territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country in eastern and southeastern regions of Ukraine.
    Kyiv Post

    So, now they're publicly stating they'll be ethnically cleansing the population, and give their land to loyal "settlers" and "warriors".
    Just when you think they can't sink any lower...they KEEP EFFIN' DELIVERING!
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:28 pm

    macedonian wrote:Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says he will offer ceasefire
    He noted that the country has "no need to involve in a protracted negotiation process"
    TASS wrote:KIEV, June 16./ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Monday that he would offer a plan to introduce a ceasefire in the country.
    “I hope it will happen this week,” Poroshenko said at a meeting of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.
    Poroshenko noted that the country has "no need to involve in a protracted negotiation process."
    "The lion's share of the peace plan outlined in my inauguration's speech," Poroshenko said.
    TASS
    I think he bets that they'll take Kramatorsk and Lugansk by the time he announces the ceasefire.
    But I really hope they don't. It's all up to Strelkov and his men now. Godspeed to them!

    That guy cannot be trusted anymore ,neither anyone in Kiev.. This is like the second cease fire they announce? The first one was just words
    and nothing happened. Poroshenko announced humanitarian corridors and nothing it was a lie... Prososhenko is clearly adviced by the CIA terrorist agency.. and do the same thing OBAMA does.. that is to say in words one thing..for the media propaganda in the west.. and to do
    ANOTHER in actions. Obama and kerry and all its mafia allies have for example have been saying that the solution to Syrian conflict can only be solved politically and the "need to descalate" the violence...yet Obama continues giving more weapons to the Terrorist he call moderates. Hopefully im wrong.. but don't think so.. if Poroshenko truly was interested in civilians in the eastern ukraine he will not say,that he will declare in the near future a cease of fire.. but order the army to INMEDIATELY STOP all its operations in eastern Ukraine and order all artillery to return to their bases. And if he was truly interested in peace.. he will inmediately order their army to stop all its operations ,and talk with Russia for a peace plan ,where he trade powers to the eastern Ukraine in change of they do not split. Like a Full
    Autonomy to the Republic of Donetsk and Lugansk..allowing them to carry weapons and police the region..but that they will still need to continue to pay taxes to Kiev and be part of Ukraine.. also to give NOvorossiya republic representation in the kiev parliament. All that will never happen because peace i Ukraine is not part of the reasons the US congress Paid $5billions for the coup in kiev.


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