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    Post  jhelb on Tue May 05, 2020 5:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Swearing and abusing other members will get you bans and I prefer to keep you and Mike around despite your tantrums... and you might not like it but I would prefer to keep Tsavo and Jhelb around too because it is important to hear a different opinion about things

    How can you bracket me with Mike and Tsavo? These too repeatedly abuse other forum members. I may have a different take on matters but how many forum members have I abused in all these years?

    Can you post at least 3-4 such posts where I was abusing a Forum member?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 06, 2020 1:23 am

    Ahhh, does Tsavo abuse people and swear a lot?

    And secondly if I had dark coloured skin you would be abusing me all the time by saying I am genetically inferior and incapable of civilised behaviour and do not have a worthy culture that could be considered an alternative to the bit marvellous wonderful all powerful f'ing perfect American mantra of work very hard to make someone who is rich much richer, but be content with TV for entertainment during the few hours when you are not working one of your three jobs to pay the rent... and of course buy as much crap as you can... have you got the latest Iphone... the one you have is just so last week... the new one is only 2 thousand dollars and has lots of brand new features you don't need or understand but it will make your friends jealous if you get it first...

    And for your information I just mentioned members that sometimes rub other members the wrong way, I was not meaning anything other than that.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed May 06, 2020 12:28 pm

    GarryB wrote:Ahhh, does Tsavo abuse people and swear a lot?
    He does abuse. Check his posts.

    GarryB wrote:And secondly if I had dark coloured skin you would be abusing me all the time
    Ahhh, when logic fails resort to innuendoes. Name one colored member of this forum who I've abused?

    GarryB wrote:and do not have a worthy culture that could be considered an alternative to the bit marvellous wonderful all powerful f'ing perfect American
    White people make up just 10% of the world's population. So maybe we are indeed responsible for 10% of the world's problems. Colored people make up 90% of the world's population.

    So if 90% of the world's population is being taken for a ride by the remaining 10%, then those colored people are either stupid or they are totally corrupt so they are satisfied with the current world order.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 06, 2020 12:37 pm

    Yeah, I was saying it all in jest.  You (Garry) and I have a history that goes back to days of mp.net so I remember a lot from you.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed May 06, 2020 3:01 pm

    He does abuse. Check his posts.
    I don't turn the other cheek- what comes around, goes around. Why should I be extra polite to any1 I don't even personally know who isn't polite towards me?
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    Post  jhelb on Wed May 06, 2020 7:04 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I don't turn the other cheek- what comes around, goes around. Why should I be extra polite to any1 I don't even personally know who isn't polite towards me?

    I'm not complaining against you. Whether you want to swear or abuse me, someone else that's your prerogative.

    I NEVER said Tsavo Lion abused me ... because that would have been a lie.

    GarryB asked a question about you...do you abuse others. I simply answered it.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 07, 2020 8:05 am

    He does abuse. Check his posts.

    I read most posts on this forum. For me to prove he doesn't often abuse people I would have to post every post he has ever made on this forum.

    For you to state he abuses other members... you just need to post an example or two and a link to where you got it from so we can check context.

    Ahhh, when logic fails resort to innuendoes. Name one colored member of this forum who I've abused?

    Well that is rather easy... I just need to look at one of the talking bollocks threads and here we go:

    jhelb wrote:
    ...The continuous influx of blacks, indians, central asians has made Moscow very unsafe. Ethnic Russians are living in fear and do not travel to these areas even during the day.

    Moscow's wealth attracts a lot of immigrants and almost all of them are third world scumbags who come from africa, india, central asia

    I'm unable to understand why can't the Kremlin ban the entry of these third world shit faces....

    Post number 753

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7216p750-talking-bollocks-thread-2#270362

    We have several Indian members here who may currently be residing in India which you described as scumbags and when the emigrate to moscow make the city unsafe.

    White people make up just 10% of the world's population. So maybe we are indeed responsible for 10% of the world's problems. Colored people make up 90% of the world's population.

    So if 90% of the world's population is being taken for a ride by the remaining 10%, then those colored people are either stupid or they are totally corrupt so they are satisfied with the current world order.

    90% of the people in a US prison are prisoners and have very little power or say in the running of the prison. Their intelligence or level of corruption is meaningless when they are in chains and are not the ones holding the shotguns.

    We see fairly easily on TV and movie and newspaper the west is so hard on Russia and China... they are just as hard on other countries as well... they don't stay on top because everyone else is holding them up there... they stay up by pushing everyone they can reach down under the water.. Libya went under and Syria almost did... Venezuela has kept its head above water but Bolivia is underwater... and right now they are pushing down on Saudi Arabia to save their own frackers... and China and Russia are getting a push too but they have life jackets on and together with BRICS are building their own raft...

    Yeah, I was saying it all in jest. You (Garry) and I have a history that goes back to days of mp.net so I remember a lot from you.

    Like PD you have passion and I don't dislike either of you for that. Smile

    They could aid in development & defence of each other. Also, mil. & civilian personnel/gear can be trained/tested there for future use in S. Ocean/Antarctica.

    Back on topic... well done...

    I am removing a lot of off topic stuff now, it will be moved to the talking bollocks II thread
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 09, 2020 5:27 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:So if you want to blindly trust in bill gates foundation ,i could care less

    I've noticed that Bill Gates on a regular basis talks about how millions of people can be killed, especially in Asia and Africa. He has already predicted that millions will die in Asia and Africa from COVID19.

    I wonder what he and people like him (for example Elon Musk) are up to. Probably they are working on some U.S government project that intends to kill millions across Asia and Africa.

    I would not be surprised. The colonialist west would rather destroy the colonies than have China and Russia divert trade by making
    more equitable arrangements. Tantrum baby west will only play a game if it is winning it.

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    Post  Hole on Sat May 09, 2020 5:45 pm

    Gates grandpa was a supporter of the theory that there are to many black, brown and yellow people around so the poor white people can´t enjoy their lifestyle any longer. So the white guys should exterminate a few million of these folks, best method would be sterilization. A few years ago his grandson Bill supported a Malaria vaccine which had the side effect of "unintentionally" sterilizing 20% of the women who took it (in clinical tests). Oops! Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Sujoy on Sat May 09, 2020 7:55 pm

    kvs wrote:I would not be surprised.   The colonialist west would rather destroy the colonies than have China and Russia divert trade by making
    more equitable arrangements.    Tantrum baby west will only play a game if it is winning it.
    The West especially the Anglo-Saxon states envies Russia (and hates India) but they do not dislike China. Since the end of World War II China has played a major role in controlling both Russia and India, two of the biggest enemy of the West. Therefore, the West allowed China to become the economic behemoth that it now is.
    West wants to get rid of Russia and India.


    Hole wrote:Gates grandpa was a supporter of the theory that there are to many black, brown and yellow people around so the poor white people can´t enjoy their lifestyle any longer. So the white guys should exterminate a few million of these folks, best method would be sterilization. A few years ago his grandson Bill supported a Malaria vaccine which had the side effect of "unintentionally" sterilizing 20% of the women who took it (in clinical tests). Oops! Rolling Eyes

    A number of Americans actually do believe in the theory of White Genocide. During the 2016 election Trump repeated this theory to the hilt. A common concern that I see being exhibited by Americans is that the population of Indians, Africans are increasing too fast and that these communities are making a beeline for the US thereby putting the lives of White americans at risk.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 10, 2020 2:40 am

    Sujoy wrote:The West especially the Anglo-Saxon states envies Russia (and hates India) but they do not dislike China. Since the end of World War II China has played a major role in controlling both Russia and India, two of the biggest enemy of the West. Therefore, the West allowed China to become the economic behemoth that it now is.
    But now China & Russia r adversaries of the West. India could have opened herself up for investments like China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Malaysia, Singapore & Thailand have done, but her political system & demography isn't well suited for it, even though it's a former British, French & Portuguese colony. Now she's against the BRI, potentially losing more than can be gained by joining it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfFU4j1f-s0

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/coronavirus-egypt-emergency-law-sisi-army-new-powers

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 10, 2020 8:13 am

    The west is racist and hates Chinese as much as any one else who is different.

    The west uses poorer countries as slave labour and it just happens they found China didn't have high wages or strong worker rights, so building factories in China was easy when you bribed the local officials to look the other way and any worker who objected to the way they were treated could be made to disappear easily enough. The west didn't start doing this in China... they have done the same thing in Japan and Malaysia and Hong Kong and Taiwan and Indonesia and Singapore and South Korea and Vietnam and when they move out of China they will most likely move to Bangledesh or Pakistan or somewhere else where their bribe money keeps the locals in line and makes production cheap.

    You will notice from that list places like Japan or Singapore... hardly any cheap labour there... well not now... investment and jobs stimulates the economy and clever local people exploit these people earning peanuts in western money terms but very good money for the region and they progress and develop... Japan went from cheap plastic crap to quality stuff, and other countries did the same... the dirty secret is that any country could be wealthy like many white countries are... they just need the chance and in fact they actually could do it better than the west does...

    The west has been bought out by the rich and powerful... I would like to see how China and Russia and other countries not part of the west that will never be fully accepted by the west progress and develop...
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    Post  Sujoy on Sun May 10, 2020 10:23 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:But now China & Russia r adversaries of the West.
    Russia always was. But not China. Not yesterday, not today. US and China seeks to create a world that they can dominate. In such a world countries will be dependent on China for their economy and on US for their security. If you need an example look at Australia.

    In order to keep this structure referred to as G2 the US and China are perpetually on the lookout for enemies. They look for small countries to bully like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Vietnam, Phillipines etc. Russia is considered an enemy because Russia backs those countries that US, China seeks to bully.


    Tsavo Lion wrote:India could have opened herself up for investments like China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Malaysia, Singapore & Thailand have done, but her political system & demography isn't well suited for it, even though it's a former British, French & Portuguese colony.
    Agreed. We have mob democracy in this country. The Federal government/Center has too much power. Most of the seats in the Parliament are from the Hindi heartland/cow-belt states. States in East and South do not have any say in policy making.



    Tsavo Lion wrote:Now she's against the BRI, potentially losing more than can be gained by joining it.
    Given how corrupt India's politicians are India might join BRI in the not so distant future. But those countries that have joined BRI have lost far more than they have gained. Take Sri Lanka for instance - China is now on the verge of taking over one of their largest port if Sri Lanka is unable to pay the due amount. Sri Lanka has now approached India to pay off their debts.

    BRI provides no major benefits to any country. Pakistan has been ravaged by coronavirus because of the large scale presence of Chinese labours in Pakistan as part of the BRI initiative.


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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 10, 2020 11:37 am

    Russia always was. But not China. Not yesterday, not today.

    There are probably factions in China that prefer to be friends with the US and take things easy... by denying the majority of chinese people a chance... the American way means there will be a 1 percent or even a 0.1 percent who do well and everyone else works to make that happen... there are probably small groups in Russia who are the same, but the number of Americans that want to share power or wealth or comfort with Russia or China is zero...

    US and China seeks to create a world that they can dominate. In such a world countries will be dependent on China for their economy and on US for their security. If you need an example look at Australia.

    Australia is a torn country... after being abandoned by the UK when the UK joined the EU, Australia looked to the US and has done so ever since despite the reward largely being getting to go to Vietnam etc etc. Aussies are fundamentally racist... on a chart they are not quite as bad as white south africans but they are pretty bad... Australia makes a lot of money sending coal to China, but China is transitioning to gas and they have also stopped buying the wests plastic waste too which is also ruffling a few feathers because it was easy to pretend to be green and looking after the planet when you send your plastic waste to China for them to sort out... for all the west knows or cares they could be dumping it straight into the ocean anyway...

    In order to keep this structure referred to as G2 the US and China are perpetually on the lookout for enemies. They look for small countries to bully like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Vietnam, Phillipines etc. Russia is considered an enemy because Russia backs those countries that US, China seeks to bully.

    For this relationship to exist the Chinese would have to do as they are told, which they don't. If China was in bed with the US the first thing the US would demand is an end to the SCO group and also to BRICSA as well, because they are rivals to US hegemony... not big right now but have the potential to grow and expand.

    The real amusing thing is that China has spent trillions of dollars on their silk roads.... China knows the US is broke and is doing nothing to fix that... China knows europe has money and Asia has money and the purpose of all the silk roads they are developing is to improve land based trade routes from asia to europe and back... something the US would absolutely hate and be desperate to destroy because it has nothing to do with them and means Asia and Europe can trade more efficiently and cheaply and the US does not benefit at all from it... they will hate it.

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    Post  Sujoy on Sun May 10, 2020 5:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Australia is a torn country... after being abandoned by the UK when the UK joined the EU, Australia looked to the US and has done so ever since despite the reward largely being getting to go to Vietnam etc etc. Aussies are fundamentally racist... on a chart they are not quite as bad as white south africans but they are pretty bad... Australia makes a lot of money sending coal to China
    Australians can afford to be Racist because Australia is an extraction economy. They are not exporting services like European countries. European countries, USA had to tone down their racist views because a whole lot of their consumers were in Asia and Africa - the same dark skinned people that they so dislike. Australia will not have to face such a backlash, because they are only exporting raw materials.
    Obviously, why will people in Africa, Asia purchase goods, products made in Europe, US if they realize that the West is racist. That's why EU, US carried out some course correction with respect to racism.

    Yet Australia, just like US and UK attracts a number of migrants from Asia and Africa. Some are students, others are white coloured workers. Since education and job opportunities in those countries are abysmal people from those states don't mind migrating to Australia, US and UK even if they have to face the day to day racism.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 10, 2020 8:02 pm

    The US racism is aimed mostly at Blacks, Latinos, & Natives, although lately, at Chinese. The long running huge trade deficit with Asia, incl. India, didn't help either. The USA is on the other side of the Globe & borders on E. Asia across the vast Pacific, but Australia is just South of Indonesia.
    The largest number of African immigrants in Australia come from South Africa and are largely of Afrikaner and British descent.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Australians#Demographics

    At the 2016 census, there were 3,550,882 nominations of ancestries classified by the Australian Bureau of Statistics as falling within the ASCCEG geographical categories of East Asia, Southeast Asia and Central and Southern Asia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Australians#Demographics

    It seems that Australian racism doesn't affect her relations with Japan- "an enemy of my enemy is my friend".
    For how many more years can Australia supply natural resources to China? Once they r depleted, what will they do to survive, prosper & remain independent? Their racism will stand in the way of that, as more Asian immigrants, & not only from Japan, will be needed for the economy to stay afloat, much more to increase industrial production & help agriculture, tourism & other services.

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/strikes-vetoing-chicoms.html

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/10/politics/trump-reelection-economy-unemployment/index.html


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    Post  Sujoy on Sun May 10, 2020 8:20 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The US racism is aimed mostly at Blacks, Latinos, & Natives, although lately, at Chinese. The long running huge trade deficit with Asia, incl. India, didn't help either.

    I'm sorry Tsavo but I couldn't agree with that assessment. I realize you are American and might be upset with my definition, but my intention is not to make any baseless allegations against any country.

    Racism in US is directed at almost all people of colour including Indians (people from India). Racism against Indians is severe but it doesn't capture much attention because Indians barely make up 1% of US population.

    There have been several instances:

    1. Sikhs were killed in Wisconsin when a gunmen with ties to White Supremacists opened fire on them.

    2. In 2013 when an Indian woman became Miss US she received a volley of racial abuses from across the US

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/a-lot-of-people-are-very-upset-that-an-indian-american-woman

    3. In 2017 an Indian engineer was shot dead in Kansas by a US Navy veteran who didn't want foreigners from Asia in US

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indian-american-engineer-srinivas-kuchibhotla-killed-in-kansas-what-we-know-so-far/story-3RTUjXWK9UsNENjiMA9RbK.html

    4. The parents of an Indian student was picked up by the F.B.I as a suspect in the Boston Bombing simply because a White woman posted on SM that this fellow maybe a suspect as he is missing

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sunil-tripathi-missing-student-wrongly-identified-as-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-519599

    I can go on, but just wanted to highlight a few instances. Racially motivated attacks against Indians is bound to happen when Indians are regularly accused across the US of Stealing American jobs.

    And as the latest reports released by US law enforcement agencies suggest hate crimes against Indians continue to rise.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 10, 2020 8:37 pm

    Still, hate crimes against Indians r not as common as against other non-Whites I listed. The Indians r very successful group & thus more conspicuous. The Thais, Koreans, Turks/Azeris, Armenians, Vietnamese & Philippinos r less so, & never heard of any hate crimes involving them.


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    Post  Sujoy on Sun May 10, 2020 8:50 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Still, hate crimes against Indians r not as common as against other non-Whites I listed.
    So if I may ask you, why are hate crimes against Indians  not common? I understand Indians do not report these crimes. That's why the figures are low.



    Tsavo Lion wrote:The Thais, Koreans, Turks/Azeris, Armenians, Vietnamese & Philippinos r less so, & never heard of  any hate crimes involving them.
    That's sad. I think these communities have a very small presence in the US. Probably just about a million.

    Also, I see that you list Turks and Armenians as well. I thought they were Whites. Maybe they face racism because quite a few of them happen to be Muslims.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 10, 2020 9:03 pm

    Games with statistics are diversionary tactics. Of course the number of hate crime cases is going to be lower if the minority population
    is 13 times smaller compared to blacks and Hispanics. And on top of that you have the nonlinear effect of reporting. Since the
    awareness of hate crimes is much less, it is much more difficult to make noise about. Blacks and Hispanics have lots of mass media
    coverage of their problems, I basically never hear about Indians. Even US aboriginals get more coverage.

    I attribute the low reporting rate also to Indian culture. That is not a derogatory statement.

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    Post  Sujoy on Sun May 10, 2020 9:38 pm

    kvs wrote:Games with statistics are diversionary tactics.   Of course the number of hate crime cases is going to be lower if the minority population
    is 13 times smaller compared to blacks and Hispanics.    And on top of that you have the nonlinear effect of reporting.  Since the
    awareness of hate crimes is much less, it is much more difficult to make noise about.    Blacks and Hispanics have lots of mass media
    coverage of their problems, I basically never hear about Indians.    Even US aboriginals get more coverage.  

    I attribute the low reporting rate also to Indian culture.   That is not a derogatory statement.


    I practically said the same thing. Indians do not always report hate crimes directed at them. Four days after 9/11 attacks, an Indian named Balbir Singh Sodhi was murdered in Arizona. Several Hindu temples have been vandalized across US, regularly.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/hindu-temple-vandalised-in-us-in-hate-crime/articleshow/67771047.cms

    A growing group of Indians in the US appear to believe that the US government will not take them seriously when they report a hate crime.

    The U.S and Australia are inherently racist societies.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 10, 2020 9:49 pm

    Also, I see that you list Turks and Armenians as well. I thought they were Whites.
    Even Italians, Greeks & Germans r not considered  fully White. The Irish r White but they r Catholics, just like most Latinos who compose many races & mixtures; since most US Whites r protestants, they r also discriminated against.
    But actually, anxieties about white dominance are a perennial in American history. Benjamin Franklin was extremely worried about whites being overwhelmed. He said in “Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc.” (1751):
    “Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased.”
    So get this. Some of the eighteenth century founding fathers only thought English and Danish people were white. Even Swedes and Germans were “swarthy.” French certainly were. ..
    The Catholic working-class immigrants of the wave that came in 1880-1924 were not initially accepted as white by the propertied Protestants who got to decide these things. You should go back and look what they said about “Slavic” Poles or about the Irish.
    Take Italians, many of whom emigrated to Latin America. Those who immigrated straight to New York and Rhode Island are now considered “white” (and make up nearly 16% of that category). Those who went to Mexico first and then came to the US more recently are “Latinos.” So is what is being said is that the Italian-American families who came in 1895 are threatened by the ones who came from Latin America in the 1990s? Well, that is apparently part of what is being said.
    Moreover, what in the world is the difference between Catalans in northeast Spain and Provencale people in southern France? Yet Catalans who went to Colombia and recently came to the US are Latinos. Provencales people who emigrated directly to New Jersey in the 19th century are white. Why?
    American history is written from a Massachusetts point of view, with the English at the center of it. But the Portuguese preceded them in North Carolina (are they Latinos?) And what is now California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas etc. were originally Spain and then Mexico before the US snarfed them up, and they also preceded the English as settlements from the old world in the new. Tim Kaine has pointed out that Spanish was spoken in North America before English. So why not write American history starting with the Southwest and moving east? By the way, in New Mexico the old hidalgo landed class (who are still there) calls themselves Hispanics, doesn’t like to be mixed up with recent Mexican immigrants, and views “white” immigrants to New Mexico as recent arrivals and perhaps not the most cultured, either. Hispanics are often viewed as “immigrants” by the ignorant. But they were there in New Mexico, and the Californios were in California, way before the Irish or Italians or most Germans came to North America. They didn’t immigrate, the US kidnapped them and made them citizens. If the US wanted to be “white” and wanted to categorize Spanish-speakers as non-white (why?), then it shouldn’t have stolen half of Mexico and added it to itself in the Treaty of Guadaloupe Hidalgo.

    https://www.juancole.com/2016/11/coulter-franklin-either.html

    The American xenophobia & racism r deeply rooted in the Anglo-Saxon history & mentality. I'm sure that if a war with China happens, ethnic Chinese here will be treated as the 5th column, like many Muslims after 9/11/01 & the Japanese (except those in the Army) after 12/7/41 were.
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    Post  RTN on Sun May 10, 2020 10:01 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Even Italians, Greeks & Germans r not considered  fully White.
    They are considered fully White today. And Germans were never considered non White.

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The Irish r White but they r Catholics, just like most Latinos who compose many races & mixtures; since most US Whites r protestants, they r also discriminated against.
    White Catholics today do not face any racial discrimination.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun May 10, 2020 10:25 pm

    Germans were never considered non White.
    to Ben Franklin, they were not white enough.
    There r still different categories of Whites- the European immigrants came from different regions of ethnically diverse Europe. I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, not dark skinned, & still not being treated as equal. If u have foreign accent & don't look like a typical Yankee, u r a 2nd class citizen here at best. I can't even flirt with an American born woman w/o getting into trouble with men.
    White Catholics today do not face any racial discrimination.
    The Irish r still looked down upon in the US, & they r the poorest Whites here.
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    Post  RTN on Sun May 10, 2020 10:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, not dark skinned, & still not being treated as equal. If u have foreign accent & don't look like a typical Yankee, u r a 2nd class citizen here at best. I can't even flirt with an American born woman w/o getting into trouble with men.
    .
    Wait. Ashkenazi Jews look every bit a White Yankee. How can anyone figure out that you are not a White Christian. Isn't Kushner a Jew himself? There are several White Jews who are married to White Christian woman.

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    The Irish r still looked down upon in the US, & they r the poorest Whites here.
    The President of NYSE is an Irish woman. Such an important position would not have gone to an Irish American if Irish Catholics were facing discrimination.

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