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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:01 pm

    Wartime practice also stress two round salvos for non-cooperative targets,

    They did, but I have read that with the latest model BUK and TOR missiles as well as the newest Pantsir missiles they have decided accuracy of tracking and agility of the missiles means normally one missile will be fired at most targets... the exception would be for the most manouverable targets...
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:53 pm

    Buk is their best SAM IMO. They have a radar on each launcher and they have a good range specially with the newest M3 missiiles. They are also very mobile and can detect target pretty far away.

    S-400 is big and costly. Tor/pantsir are less powerfull.

    If I had to choose just one SAM I would definitely go for the Buk M3.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:11 am

    BUK is a very capable system, but comparing it with S-400 and Pantsir is a little unfair.

    BUK is a medium range air defence system whose airforce and navy equivalent will be the S-350... though the navy does use Shtil as well.

    In my opinion the best defence has a variety of systems in a layered defence and the mobility and variety and self contained nature of the Russian systems makes them a formidable system when used together.

    They went from rocket ramjet powered KUB (SA-6) to Solid rocket SA-11 and SA-17 and now BUK-M3... I am wondering if the BUK replacement might go back to a jet engine in the form of a scramjet...
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    Post  franco Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:46 pm

    A new anti-aircraft missile brigade with a Buk-M3 air defense system is being formed in the Southern Military District

    A new anti-aircraft missile brigade will be formed in the Southern Military District, the decision has already been made. This is reported by Izvestia with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense.

    The formed anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Ground Forces will become part of one of the three combined arms armies of the Southern Military District. The brigade will be armed with the Buk-M2 and Buk-M3 anti-aircraft systems.

    As explained, at present, the Russian military industry no longer produces previous versions of the Buk air defense system, only Buk-M3 systems are supplied to the troops. However, the pace of production does not allow in a short time to re-equip anti-aircraft units with the latest version of the air defense system, therefore, part of the Buk-M2 air defense system remains in service. As new equipment arrives, the brigade will be fully re-equipped with the Buk-M3 air defense system.

    According to the plan of the military department, the new brigade will become a mobile reserve capable, if necessary, to cover the most dangerous areas, including Crimea. In addition, the transfer of the brigade to the western direction in case of emergency is not excluded.

    The Buk-M3 air defense system is a medium-range fourth-generation military air defense system. Designed to combat maneuvering aerodynamic targets, fire at radio-contrast ground targets and defeat surface targets in conditions of intense fire and electronic countermeasures. Each self-propelled gun mount instead of four, as on the Buk-M2 version, accommodates 6 anti-aircraft missiles in special launch containers. The new high-speed rocket 9M317M received a homing head. It is capable of intercepting high-speed aerial targets at a distance of up to 30 km or shooting "beyond the horizon". This allows you to direct it to the target using early warning aircraft (AWACS), fighters or any other air reconnaissance aircraft up to unmanned aerial vehicles.The complex is capable of simultaneously firing at up to 36 targets flying at a speed of up to 3 km per second at ranges from 2.5 to 70 km. The probability of defeat is not less than 0.95–0.97.

    NOTE: since the 49th and 58th Combined Arms Armies already have a BUK brigade, suspect this one will go to the 8th Combined Arms Army

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:08 pm

    Franco, do you have any info about military installations in the Kuril Islands/Sakhalin?
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    Post  franco Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:36 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Franco, do you have any info about military installations in the Kuril Islands/Sakhalin?

    Yes, specifically?
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:50 pm

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Franco, do you have any info about military installations in the Kuril Islands/Sakhalin?

    Yes, specifically?

    Bases, numbers, aircraft, navy vessels, etc.

    And are woman in the region hot?
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    Post  franco Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:03 pm

    And are woman in the region hot?

    Probably not No , this place would be as cold as Fort Mac affraid
    I once spoke to a Canadian who worked over there on a contract in the gas fields and he couldn't believe how much snow there was in the winters. santa

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:05 pm

    franco wrote:And are woman in the region hot?

    Probably not No , this place would be as cold as Fort Mac affraid
    I once spoke to a Canadian who worked over there on a contract in the gas fields and he couldn't believe how much snow there was in the winters. santa

    ahahaha. Yeah, I know the Fort Mac people as a few friends worked up there.

    Last one was a joke though. I would like to get an idea what is stationed in the region.
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    Post  franco Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:59 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    franco wrote:And are woman in the region hot?

    Probably not No , this place would be as cold as Fort Mac affraid
    I once spoke to a Canadian who worked over there on a contract in the gas fields and he couldn't believe how much snow there was in the winters. santa

    ahahaha.  Yeah, I know the Fort Mac people as a few friends worked up there.

    Last one was a joke though.  I would like to get an idea what is stationed in the region.

    Sorry I wasn't more specific but the Canadian had worked in the Sakhalin gas fields to be more precise. Will have to post your requested info somewhere else, most likely the Military District thread. As for Fort Mac, have a brother in the Oil Industry working for a large International Engineering firm and they had sent him out there on 2 occasions about 3 years apart to review refinery operations. One was summer and one was winter. Quite the contrast.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:48 am

    I once spoke to a Canadian who worked over there on a contract in the gas fields and he couldn't believe how much snow there was in the winters.

    A Canadian couldn't believe how much snow they had... that is like an Irishman telling you they drink a bit too much... or a British Politician saying they were a bit too kinky and perverted for his tastes... Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:52 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I once spoke to a Canadian who worked over there on a contract in the gas fields and he couldn't believe how much snow there was in the winters.

    A Canadian couldn't believe how much snow they had... that is like an Irishman telling you they drink a bit too much... or a British Politician saying they were a bit too kinky and perverted for his tastes...   Laughing

    As someone who lived in Manitoba, then BC then Alberta, I can tell you outright that snow can suck.

    But it can be beautiful too.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:26 pm

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    New six-axle body chassis MZKT-692251 intended for "BUK M3K"


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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:08 am

    That is rather significant, because BUK is an Army system and therefore generally only comes on tracked chassis.

    A cheaper wheeled model should help reduce costs both purchase and operational costs and also increase strategic mobility...
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    Post  dino00 Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:57 am

    Isn't this for Belarus Buk-M3k?
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:ZOKA
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    Seems like a nice truck, but a domestic Kamaz/Baz should take precedence over it. No offence to Belarusians.

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:00 pm

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    SKKSh-586. Russian baby. For Tor, but should be strong enough for Buk.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:27 am

    Extra axle too.... would make an interesting RV/camping vehicle... minus the armour of course and make it amphibious for heading off the beaten track...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:57 pm

    SAM "Buk-M3" has confirmed the ability to destroy drones in mountainous conditions
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    The newest anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Buk-M3" has confirmed its ability to hit drones in high mountains. Reported by "News" with reference to the military department.

    According to the Ministry of Defense, the Buk-M3 complexes were tested during the exercises of the 67th anti-aircraft brigade of the 58th combined-arms army of the Southern Military District in the mountains of North Ossetia. Air defense systems have shown the ability to destroy small drones in mountainous conditions, even in the presence of intense radio interference. At the same time, it is noted that the detection of drones took place at a long distance.

    The new Buk-M3 air defense missile system carries 6 anti-aircraft missiles in special containers instead of 4 like the Buk-M2. Also, the complex adopted a new high-speed missile 9M317M with a homing head. It is capable of intercepting high-speed aerial targets at a distance of up to 30 km or shooting "beyond the horizon." This allows you to direct it to the target using early warning aircraft (AWACS), fighters or any other air reconnaissance aircraft up to unmanned aerial vehicles. One air defense system is capable of simultaneously firing at up to 4 targets, a division - up to 36 targets flying at speeds of up to 3 km per second at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km. The probability of defeat is not less than 0,95–0,97.

    SAM "Buk-M3" - a medium-range military air defense complex of the fourth generation. Designed to combat maneuvering aerodynamic targets, fire at radio-contrast ground targets and defeat surface targets in conditions of intense fire and electronic countermeasures.

    https://en.topwar.ru/180551-zrk-buk-m3-podtverdili-sposobnost-unichtozhat-bespilotniki-v-gornyh-uslovijah.html

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:20 am

    Nice, so it is as we expected... being ARH it can be launched at targets it can't see at launch... so for instance an over the horizon radar detecting incoming low flying cruise missiles would not be accurate enough to fire an artillery shell to hit them, but would be accurate enough to launch a new BUK to get it close enough to find it itself... which means 70km range against low flying cruise missiles... along with S-300V4 and other systems...

    The introduction of Pine (SOSNA) and the mass production of 9M96 and 9M100 for land and sea and potentially air use will be rather interesting...

    A 9M96 based AAM would be rather interesting as the ground launched big model has a range of 150km, so an air launched version should be able to do rather better and it is an active homing anti aircraft missile able to engage targets up to 40km altitude....

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:20 am

    And Buk M3 has a decent altitude range (114,829 ft) allowing it to take out high altitude drones where other systems in Russian service wouldn't be able to hit, some of the high altitude drones can fly 60-80k ft thats out of range for Pantsir to engage, and you wouldn't want to waste S-300/400 on a drone.

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