SOC : wrote:In ammunition complex includes medium-range missiles used in the S-400, and short-range missiles. Huh. That's certainly confusing. The "medium range" missile for the S-400 is the 48N6DM. Does that mean Vityaz can use it? If so then the system is a waste of time, as it's basically a reinvented S-400! I think what they're actually trying to say is that it will use 9M96D and 9M96, and that only the longer-range 9M96D is used by the S-400. 120 kms would still be "short range" compared to the other weapons used by the S-400.
I think they call 9M96M/M2 missiles - medium range and the other short range might refer to 9M100 missiles.
SOC: wrote:General Director of "Almaz-Antey" Vladislav Menshikov said that the complex will go to the replacement of C-300 first generation. That makes sense. Replace 90 km range S-300PS/PT-1A batteries with this thing, and replace the 200 km range S-300PMs with the S-400. I bet this guy is cheaper overall, so you get an increase in capability over the S-300P models without the added expense of the S-400.
Vityaz will replace S-300PS/PT-1A which will be gone by 2015.
S-400 will replace S-300PM but only well after 2020. S-300PM will be (is) modernizing to Favorit standard and will together with S-400 serve well after 2020.
SOC: wrote:Which leads to a question: is Vityaz compatible with BIG BIRD? It'd make sense to replace the SAM systems but leave the battle management complexes intact.
Of course it will be compatible. There is no question about it - but not directly. Thats why you have battle management systems like Baikal-1ME.
TR1 wrote:Good find! Looks like there are quite a few missiles per vehicle.
Vityaz will have 35% more missiles than MEADS and SAMP-T
sepheronx wrote:As soc said, the system is to replace the older S-300P systems, with having longer range then them, and being able to engage against more targets then it, while S-400 and S-300V4 is to replace Medium-Long range SAM systems. If it works in conjunction with Nebo-M then it can work with AESA radar. But by the looks of it, it is geared to use current used PESA radar.
Of course it will work in conjunction with Nebo-M. Thats why it is called "integrated".
sepheronx wrote:Although, the system is going to delayed till 2016 rather than it coming out next year. That is on Kommersant (cannot check as .ru links at work are banned).
Perhaps there will be no delay. As I have read only problems are with Morfei and it might be delayed something. Vityaz is making good progress.
Austin wrote:In other news Putin sated that ASD will spend 3.4 Trillion Rouble by 2020 that is 20 % of total SAP funding , Its more than $100 billion of funding on ASD , quite a big sum by Russian Standard. http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/777344.html
ADF will be massive and complex and integrated. That will eat nice chunk of money.
Vityaz has its genesis on South Korea-Russian K-SAM project , so we can expect Vityaz to be a modern avtar of K-SAM. wrote:Austin
I would say 140-150km range and 30km ceiling for 9M96M2 and up to 60km range and 20-25km ceiling for smaller one. That should do it
I just hope they move to AESA Radar with Vityaz system , Its time they just reduce the baggage of the PESA system no matter its mature and proven and move over to AESA system ......cant just piggy back on PESA technology for next generation SAM. wrote:Austin
Look at SAMP-T. Its PESA and one of the best air defense systems in the world.
But still we still can not tell if Vityaz will have AESA or PESA based on those photos.
sepheronx wrote:I read that from another member as well as on Airliners that Almaz Antey is in really bad management shape hence why no delivories of S-400 and the lack of testing for 40N6 missile last year. Apparently they are being sued again by MoD. As well, Putin in the video has expressed worriesome over Vityaz cause he didn't think it would come out. So if Almaz Antey is screwing up real bad, then why the funds to the new facilities? In hopes that S-500, Vityaz and Morphi wont be problematic in development? Real shame. Maybe Antey should not have merged with Almaz. Management is screwing up a good company.
Thats water under the bridge. Everything is fine.
Russian Army is taking deliveries of 4 batteries of S-400 per year with the increase of double or triple when those factories are built.
In the meantime S-300(P and V versions) are being modernized to Favorit and V4 standard and whole other array of work is being done like Fundament line of
radar command systems and Baikal-1ME SAM command post and other.
1. I think that might be AESA radar
2. 12 missiles per TEL - biggest load out there
3. TEL, not TELAR (damn)
4. Huge mast for low level coverage (1:06) - probably those 20 minute mast they have been talking about
5. Missiles that have bigger range in distance and altitude than SAMP-T and MEADS
6. More channels for missile guidance (probably more than SAMP-T), (same or more than MEADS)
7. This will certainly fit just fine in Il-476 which will give it excellent strategic mobility
8. This will be 5 minute (or less) system
9. Absolute integration within existing and future AD network
10. Different type of missiles 9M96M2/9M96M/9M100
11. Shooting down tactical ballistic missiles (ATCMS like)
12. 360° system
13. Only shooting radar is shown at the picture (search radar is missing) with communication vehicle
Also interesting note from interfax military - testing will start this year
(so much for 2016)
Vityaz rocket system to be transferred to Defense Ministry for tests this year - Almaz-Antey CEO
- another important thing (With 30 batteries up to 2020) that would be just stunning development and production
Earlier it was reported that up to the end of 2020 the Russian armed forces will receive not less than 30 complexes \"Knight". SAM will be part of the aerospace defense on par with the S-400 and S-500. wrote:LINK