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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:anyone knows if Russia working in attack drones of high altitude?

    The MQ-9  can reach an altitude of 15,000 meters.. THis is beyond manpads range..
    that is from 6km to 8km max.. any knows if Russia have drones that fly close to those altitudes
    and possibly do airstrikes?


    http://www.paralay.com/bpla.htm

    I have no possibility o verify this data below but I guess can assume data on Paralay is correct. Thus if suddenly Yak-130 derivative drone info pops up maybe those plans about have drones also from past  are also restarted? Looks like Proryv (Break In for Google Very Happy) - is 10tons class drone with high subsonic speed, 3tons of payload and 16km service ceiling...loos like mucho betta deal then Reaper Smile


    X Characteristics"Break-In""Break-P""Break-RLD"
    StyleLong rangeLong rangeLong range
    Purpose (basic / modification)ShockScoutRadar Watch
    Wingspan / fuselage length, m---
    Launch weight, kg10,000980010000
    Mass target equipment kg1000 ... 30001000 ... 12001000
    Speed, km / h1100750750
    Flight duration, h62016
    Service ceiling, m16,00020,00014,000
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    sepheronx wrote:They are.  Sokol and Transas company.  But we know very little of it.  Sukhoi apparently also working on some but Transas one is funded by gov.

    Artjomh or Khathi (cannot recall who Smile on militaryphotos mentioned about heavy RuAF attack drone  with code name Proryv...Coincidentally Yak derived drone´s name is the same
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    Post  par far Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:35 am

    How far is Russia behind the top drone powers of the world?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:30 am

    par far wrote:How far is Russia behind the top drone powers of the world?

    how you define "behind" ?
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    Post  Hachimoto Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:03 pm

    par far wrote:How far is Russia behind the top drone powers of the world?

    If you exclude US/Israel/Germany, Russia is on the same boat as other developed armies.

    Can't compare with US though, maybe in 5-10 years a catch up is possible.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:12 pm

    Hachimoto wrote:
    par far wrote:How far is Russia behind the top drone powers of the world?

    If you exclude US/Israel/Germany, Russia is on the same boat as other developed armies.

    Can't compare with US though, maybe in 5-10 years a catch up is possible.

    still not clear numbers or level of tech? tech? nope, numbers yes Russia is behind
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    Post  par far Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:47 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    par far wrote:How far is Russia behind the top drone powers of the world?

    how you define "behind" ?


    By behind, I mean how far behind is Russia from developing the top drones(military equipment) that the US has. Some experts mention 20 years.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:05 pm

    Then those are not experts. 20 years is ridiculous. Russia replaced US tech in 1. They can have similar tech in 3. US was behind USSR for decades since Buran was unmanned when it launched and landed.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:02 pm

    par far wrote: Some experts mention 20 years.

    and precisely who?


    sepheronx wrote:Then those are not experts. 20 years is ridiculous. Russia replaced US tech in 1. They can have similar tech in 3. US was behind USSR for decades since Buran was unmanned when it launched and landed.


    pls let him define who those experts are at first place, IMHO president of Lithuania for example or sen McCain Smile
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    Post  par far Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:44 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    par far wrote: Some experts mention 20 years.

    and precisely who?


    sepheronx wrote:Then those are not experts. 20 years is ridiculous. Russia replaced US tech in 1. They can have similar tech in 3. US was behind USSR for decades since Buran was unmanned when it launched and landed.


    pls let him define who those experts are at first place, IMHO president of Lithuania for example  or sen McCain Smile



    This one of the articles I read.


    http://www.wired.com/2012/08/russian-drones/

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:47 am

    par far wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    par far wrote: Some experts mention 20 years.

    and precisely who?


    sepheronx wrote:Then those are not experts. 20 years is ridiculous. Russia replaced US tech in 1. They can have similar tech in 3. US was behind USSR for decades since Buran was unmanned when it launched and landed.


    pls let him define who those experts are at first place, IMHO president of Lithuania for example  or sen McCain Smile



    This one of the articles I read.


    http://www.wired.com/2012/08/russian-drones/


    "They lag behind U.S. drones by 20 years"....Meanwhile the USSR/Russia had the 'Buran' glider, which was a hypersonic drone from the 1980's.

    Drones aren't magic, even the most advanced drones can be defeated by ancient systems designed/developed decades ago, such as the 'Beast of Kandahar' aka the RQ-170, which was defeated by Iran's ancient aerospace defense aka, and supposedly by the export, 1980's era Soviet designed 'Autobase' ECM warfare asset.

    Drones are relatively 'stupid', there isn't a drone in the world that has demonstrated that it can survive heavy and direct ECM attacks, and unlike the West, Russia takes ECM warfare exponentially more seriously, which is likely the main reason why Russia hasn't blown it's wad on drones.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:38 pm

    Does this mean that Russian drones will have QWIP-chips installed on their optical devices?

    Russian drones will have "all-seeing eye"

    Instrument-United Corporation (part of the "Rostec") is working on new types of cameras and software to them, ability to process information, inaccessible to man. The new technology will increase the effectiveness of aerial surveillance and monitoring of the Earth's surface, the press service of "Rostec."

    - We create the technology stream processing hyperspectral data - a "seeing eye" that allows our drones to look beyond the usual boundaries of the human eye of the electromagnetic spectrum - said deputy director general of the Joint instrument-making corporation, Sergei Skok.

    The technology "vsevideniya" - the unique spectral characteristics inherent to each object and material. As it can uniquely identify the equipment that is in sight: a natural or man-made object, false or real, to distinguish camouflage net on this grass.

    Designed DIC software and hardware system includes on-board and ground equipment - automatically it finds military equipment (including camouflaged and unobtrusive) and identifies its database, which made the spectral characteristics of various objects and materials.

    - This is the technology of the near future, going to replace traditional UAV photo and video modules. Work in the field giperspektra develop in parallel with other technologies for monitoring, allowing you to see more than conventional optical means. In particular, the specialists of the corporation created a complex background target information processing, which allows automated analysis of large amounts of data, obtained by the optical-electronic, digital television and radar surveillance equipment mounted on UAVs, including giperspektr, - said Sergey Skok.

    In addition to exploration, "all-seeing eye" can be helpful and civil. With the new sensors might, for example, to assess the condition of the forest, to fix the consequences of fires and pests. The AIC hyperspectral analysis will help to obtain information about the lack of certain elements in the soil, areas of crops, plant diseases, etc. The experimental farm of the Leningrad Region is already underway in this direction.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:34 am

    Not necessarily.

    I read about Russian night vision designers talking about the light reflecting off natural materials having a different signature from light reflecting of man made materials like paint and dye.... so image intensifiers could detect painted or dyed camouflage material with a bit of processing.

    I would however suspect that QWIP based sensors are being used in the mid and long IR range as well as visible light and UV frequencies to offer the best possible image in any conditions.
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    Post  Flanky Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:27 am

    This QWIP sensor thing can have tremendous impact. If it can differrentiate between differrent substances like gunpowder or oil, fuels... Anyways Russians as we all know are pretty secretive about their top projects so i would not be suprised to see them having several HALE / MALE projects running in parallel. Sukhoi, Kronstadt (ex Transas), Luch, Mig, Yak... But i do not hold the opinion that Russia needs such vehicles less than USA - on the contrary. Since US have bases all over the world Russia needs the LE aspect of it more than anybody else since LE = long range and they have comparabily only few bases - for the purpose of national security they need to monitor US assets / tests / excercises and quite recently groups like ISIS....
    Syria as i foretold will be the ideal proving grounds to many if not all Russian UAV R&D projects. Battle experience feedback is as valuable as gold... It can point out design flaws that would otherwise be overlooked. I am only waiting when we will be able to see images of a runway in Latakia with a familiar shape sitting on it - Altius perhaps?
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    Post  mack8 Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:22 pm

    From the post above, any idea what drone this is ?!
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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:01 am

    the mast at the front with the satellite comms sensor suggests it is an israeli drone the Russians bought.
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    Post  mack8 Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:05 am

    Question is, which one!? I've tried to find a similar israeli one, the Heron is nowhere near imo, so i'm really baffled. It appears to have low wings that are also foldable, retractable gear, and no EO ball in front of the nose wheel. So, what the heck is it?

    PS: Oh, i found the bugger. It's a Luch. Surprised
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    Post  Project Canada Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:09 pm

    Russia Develops First Own Drone Engine

    Russia Creates a Supercomputer to Operate Drones and Robots
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:37 pm

    mack8 wrote:Question is, which one!? I've tried to find a similar israeli one, the Heron is nowhere near imo, so i'm really baffled. It appears to have low wings that are also foldable, retractable gear, and no EO ball in front of the nose wheel. So, what the heck is it?

    PS: Oh, i found the bugger. It's a Luch. Surprised

    It looks like a Super Heron on Russian sauce. Dozor 600 reconfigured?
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    Post  Guest Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:10 am

    Russia to develop new air-launched high-speed UAV based on Tu-143

    Russia will start research into a high-speed unmanned aerial vehicle that is launched from an aircraft. To start off, researchers will use the Tupolev Tu-143 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft from the 1970s as the basis. "
    -http://alert5.com/2015/10/09/russia-to-develop-new-air-launched-high-speed-uav-based-on-tu-143/

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    Is this refering to Ту-300 «Коршун» which was resumed being worked on somewhere mid 2000s, i dont recall anyone saying it will be "air launched", tho it would make sense. Or they are still developing TU300 separately as land launched and this... "new" one as air launched.

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    This was alleged Tu-300 and there is famous land launched station for it in background
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:57 am

    Very interesting interview with the first deputy general director of KRET, Vladimir Mikheev, on the subject about drones and their applications with radars and ECM. Apparently radiophotonics (ROFAR) radars are very resilient and reliable, and they will be capable of running several days at a time without need of shutting down:

    Vladimir Mikheev: We are on the threshold of a new era of unmanned aircraft
    First Counsellor Deputy KRET spoke about the developments in the field of UAVs

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    Today KRET - one of the leading domestic developers of unmanned aerial vehicles. On the latest developments in this field and technologies of the future, he told the adviser to first deputy general director of the concern Vladimir Mikheev.

    - How would you define a strategy KRET in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles? On what this market niche group claims?

    - KRET is Russia's largest center for the development and production of avionics systems and electronic warfare systems for aircraft and helicopters. This role group to continue in terms of the evolution of aviation in the direction of greater use of unmanned systems.

    We have long paid attention to the trend of output systems with unmanned aerial vehicles from the periphery to the core of his track and have taken a series of measures, especially in the field of conducting R & D and production base preparation. Through these measures, we can now say with confidence that in Russia created a world-class avionics for unmanned aerial vehicles of all classes and types. All sets of equipment carried on the principle of an open architecture that allows you to create different configurations of airborne equipment in a modular fashion, taking into account the tasks and specialization of UAVs.

    Our solutions can be installed on Russian and foreign devices, which opens up for us a rich global market of combat and civil unmanned systems, which is now experiencing rapid growth. Its volume is already of the order of $ 7 billion, and by 2020, even by the most conservative forecasts of industry experts, will exceed $ 10 billion. OEE is from 30 to 70% of the drone, depending on the type and specification. These figures give a clear idea of ​​the importance and economic prospects of our work.

    - What is the feature of the work on the equipment for UAV? How does it differ from the systems for manned aircraft?

    - The main difference is reflected in the very name of these systems - they are unmanned, that is, they have no rights, which at the present stage of technological development becomes the weakest link, not only in the management of aircraft equipment, but also at the level of technical approaches to its implementation.

    If we remove the person immediately becomes possible to significantly improve flight control and navigation systems, which are responsible for control of the aircraft. In addition, when creating a drone is not a task to protect the pilot from overload, the UAV can fly through the paths with such speed that allow the laws of aerodynamics and the characteristics of its power plant. A person can lose consciousness already on overload in the 3-5 g, prepared by the pilot can withstand short-term overload up to 6-7 g, and the UAV can be flown with overloads of up to 20 g and more.

    All of this suggests that the evolution of UAVs will go quite different and depend on several other technological solutions. For example, in an aircraft the person is included in management. From the moment of receipt of the information before making a decision, which is realized with the rotary passes some time. This time is sufficiently large. Until he makes a decision, the aircraft can overcome several tens or even hundreds of meters. In the case of the UAV more and more such decisions will be made automatically during the numbering in milliseconds, and depend on the quality and speed of data collection and flight information, the computer which processes it.

    The lack of cockpit allows the pilot not to take into account when creating a range of UAVs restrictions on heat load and protect people from harmful microwave radiation. UAVs can fly at hypersonic speeds by going to the plasma, and the need to cool a heat-sensitive equipment, but even she can tolerate much more heat than the human body.

    The flight can take place not only at high speeds, but other ballistic trajectories. For example, in the near space, where there are hard X-rays.

    Such nuances are many. Some of them we are not going to disclose. But today with certainty we can say that we are on the threshold of a new era of unmanned aircraft.

    - Which problem will solve KRET equipment installed for military UAVs?

    - Despite all the unique features of UAVs primarily intended to replace the manned aircraft, and they have to do its work more effectively with the military and, more importantly, from an economic point of view. For our country, in this sense, primary interest is the work in remote areas, especially in the Far North. To cover the vast expanse of the northern border, we just needed a large UAV flight duration, which are able to conduct a comprehensive exploration of ground facilities and airspace, including video surveillance, radar and electronic reconnaissance, search-infrared, ultraviolet and laser radiation. In this role, UAVs will be very effective. Equipment for the solution of these problems have already been created, he needs support.

    - Is it true that research in nanophotonics who leads KRET, will eventually create radars, suitable for installation in medium-sized drones and not inferior to the capabilities of the onboard radar of modern fighters?

    - It really is. One of the main areas on which we are working today - is the development of so-called radio-optical phased array antenna (ROFAR). It will be useful primarily for the UAV. The elements of antenna systems based on photonic crystals, which will be ROFAR, you can cover a large surface area of ​​the drone. Accordingly, these surfaces can radiate more power at high efficiency.

    ROFAR possesses another essential for UAV property - it can be a long time in the air without maintenance. In this sense, the autonomy of a superior autonomy modern radar drones - it can work non-stop for several days.

    - You said that KRET adapts to all its UAV competencies, and it is primarily the creation of EW. How do you assess the prospects of unmanned technologies from this perspective?

    - If we are talking about UAVs, do not forget that this is primarily an aircraft, and according to all military tactical and technical requirements it shall be equipped with airborne defense. We have today made proposals for the installation of protection on drones heavy, medium, and even a touch of class. This is necessary, because, regardless of the purpose of UAVs is the object of priority destruction. For the opponent it is important to neutralize as quickly as possible, and for us it is important to maintain its function for as long period of time. This will primarily depend on the effectiveness of airborne electronic warfare.

    Aircraft medium and heavy classes can be used as jammers. This is quite promising direction of development. After all, the UAV can be in close proximity to a particular area of ​​hostilities, without risking the life of the crew. He will be able to conduct electronic warfare as close to the enemy's radio-electronic means.

    UAV as the jammer is also a purely economic advantage over manned vehicles. EW Group funds have large areas of antenna systems and high power radiation, and this in the presence of a person on board necessitating the use of special protection measures. Man is to be protected from the microwave radiation, and this implies additional costs for the design and construction of aircraft and helicopters. On bespilotnike all to anything. It is "inhumane" apparatus, there is simply no one to protect.

    - Participates whether KRET in creating solutions to counter system to combat UAVs, which are now being actively developed in the world?

    - All countries of the world understand the danger of UAV systems and are working on means to combat them. We, like other global companies working to create similar solutions and were able to go far enough in this direction. Both in Russia and abroad, work on the creation of funds to counter drones and protection against such effects go hand in hand. I will not disclose the details of this work, but I can say that we have carried out a series of scientific studies on the detection of drones and the corresponding effect on them.

    This can not only battle enemy UAV. In peacetime this problem is perhaps more important. With the proliferation and improvement of domestic drones them necessary to ensure the protection of protected objects, such as, for example, airports, power generation facilities, hazardous production. Furthermore, they may be used by terrorists. Shoot down all suspicious drones over densely populated areas - it is certainly not out. It is much more justified in terms of both the economy and the sense of neutralization using electronic defeat. In essence, this means the same REB, only sharpened by a special software and hardware technical impact on the drones. If we disable his communications, navigation and data transmission on board, caught his control, he quietly and imperceptibly longer pose any whatsoever danger.

    In the military sphere, we're not just talking about the defense of the object, but also about finding a large area devices of the enemy, who are doing everything to hide from us as long as possible. Here, on the first place electronic reconnaissance. Any drone carries a large number of different control systems, communications, navigation and location, and accordingly it is celebrated on the radio. Here on these grounds, their quantitative and qualitative characteristics we are far enough away that we can locate the device, its type and other important information. On this basis, we are preparing some impact.

    Works are carried out immediately in all directions. At some point, we will post them and will share them with the world community.

    - Do KRET has extensive experience in creating helmet-mounted target designation systems and control systems for manned helicopters and planes. Have you considered the possibility of adapting them to control the UAV?

    - We are working in this direction. At one of the companies developed a sufficiently large series of types of equipment, including a ground control drones. In essence, this is the same multi-pilot helmet, only to realize on the desktop UAV operator.

    For convenience, the screen is made not in the form of a helmet, and a conventional digital multifunction display, which can display much more information - multispectral technical "sight" of the device, the substrate or the geographical map, for example, a task which the machine performs. Thus, using a real pen or joystick that can be remotely controlled drones, sitting in a fairly safe environment. According to well-protected channels all this information will be transmitted to the board, and the board will conduct reconnaissance, to perform any additional actions in standalone mode, and the mode of external target designation.

    http://rostec.ru/news/4517331

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    Post  Kyo Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:35 pm

    MiG Skat drone: https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/188700-aviones-rusia-regresar-base-siria

    Any resemblance to RQ-170 Sentinel?

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    Post  George1 Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:58 pm

    MiG Skat is an old project
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    Post  Guest Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:06 pm

    Kyo wrote:MiG Skat drone: https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/188700-aviones-rusia-regresar-base-siria

    Any resemblance to RQ-170 Sentinel?

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    MiG Skat as itself is being canceled, and new project loosely based on it shall be developed.

    However if we are talking about resemblence to me personally it shares alot more with Dassault nEUROn than Sentinel visually.

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    Post  Kyo Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:54 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Kyo wrote:MiG Skat drone: https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/188700-aviones-rusia-regresar-base-siria

    Any resemblance to RQ-170 Sentinel?

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    MiG Skat as itself is being canceled, and new project loosely based on it shall be developed.

    However if we are talking about resemblence to me personally it shares alot more with Dassault nEUROn than Sentinel visually.

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    Thks for the tip
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    "The Russian Company Zala Aero (subdivision of Kalashnikov Concern) presented a new ZALA-421-16E5 tactical operation unmanned aerial reconnaissance system at Interpolitex 2015, the International Exhibition of Homeland Security in Moscow. This unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has great autonomy and mobility. According to its developers, the unmanned aerial vehicle /UAV/ comprised by the system features an outstanding endurance and high mobility. The UAV flight duration is 6-7 hours, the flight range up to 150 km, the monitored area exceeds 21,000 sq km from a single launch site.

    ZALA 421-16E5 is developed using a unique technology of complete duplication of the key systems responsible for reliability and quality of mission performance. Specifically for this purpose a new type of engine has been developed with a built-in self-diagnostics system and UAV engine controller. All of the craft’s systems are controlled via digital buses, which is an innovative trend in the world’s aircraft construction.

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    The aircraft design envisions compartments for installing dedicated equipment weighing up to 5 kg. The ZALA 421-16E5 is launched by a mobile pneumatic launcher with an electronic control system from an unprepared site which is an advantage compared to UAVs that need airdrome basing facilities. A new landing system has been developed for safe landing and complete safety of the onboard equipment."


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