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    Post  medo Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:35 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/658798.html

    Some photos from production of Searcher 2 and Bird eye 400 in UZGA. Russian MoD sign a contract for 10 Searcher 2 complexes (1 command and control station + 3 UAVs) and 27 Bird eye 400 complexes.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:56 am

    The Russian Ministry of Defense has opened a new center to train unmanned aerial vehicle operators


    Viktor Litovkin wrote:The Russian Ministry of Defense has opened a new center to train unmanned aerial vehicle operators as part of a broad goal of getting the country’s drones up and running to enhance the country’s military forces.

    The joint armed forces’ Bezpilotniy Letayuschiy Apparat, or BPLA, (unmanned aerial vehicle) is located in a Moscow suburb on the base of the Kolomna Higher Military Artillery Command College. The former college was disbanded in 2008, and prior to the Revolution this was the site of the Mikhaylovsk Artillery College, founded during the reign of Catherine the Great.

    Despite the fact that the campus has not had any serious cosmetic repairs recently, the head of the center, Valeriy Frolov, is full of optimism A fundamental restructure is due to begin at the center at the end of the year, with several new classrooms to be built for lectures. In 2015 the center will have a fleet of BPLAs of various types, and a range will be developed in 2016 where students and instructors from the joint-service center will be able to learn how to fly BPLAs and practice how to control them in flight.
    Students will include junior aviation specialists from dedicated BPLA squadrons, which are now a part of all mechanized infantry and armored combat units in Russia’s land forces.

    Colonel Frolov explained how his center has been through 16 modernizations in recent years. According to him this was linked to Army leadership underestimating the significance of using unmanned aircraft in a real combat situation. It even reached a point where unmanned aerial vehicles were being manufactured in the training units where tank crews would be trained. Even the war with Georgia in 2008 failed to draw attention to BPLAs. Troops in Tbilisi used BPLAs actively during the war with Georgia for reconnaissance and to guide their artillery onto targets, while the Russian Army was forced to use heavy Ty-22R reconnaissance aircraft. One of these aircraft was even shot down by the Georgians and the captain’s body is still missing.


    Only after Sergey Shoygu became Minister for Defense was the training of BPLA operators taken seriously. Now general headquarters and a special directorate is in charge of training operators of unmanned aircraft, procurement of BPLAs themselves and of developing tactics, as well as modes and methods of operation. This work is headed by Major-General Aleksandr Novikov.
    New weaponry and combat technology has begun to arrive at the center, and 70 graduates of Gagarin and Zhukovskiy Air Force Academies were sent to Kolomna to serve as lecturers and instructors for future students. They will receive special training, as they would not have been taught how to fly unmanned aerial vehicles at their academies.

    Senior Warrant Officer Aleksey Naraykin came to Kolomna from Gusev in the Kaliningrad region. He is serving in a Marines unit and has been in the Army for 17 years, and has taken part in many exercises and combat operations. He understands how important it is for a commander at any level to have reliable and accurate information concerning an enemy. He said he was enthusiastic about assimilating what was for him a new specialization - an unmanned aerial vehicle operator.


    Junior Sergeant Vitaliy Koluntayev is from the same squadron in the Baltic Fleet’s Marine BPLA brigade. He has been in the Army for eight years and said he enjoys working as a BPLA operator. He also likes the way the lecturers explain quite a difficult subject in a simple and straightforward way. The most important thing though is that they are a mixture of experienced officers as well as very young soldiers, like Koluntayev.

    “We do not accept all the contract soldiers sent to us from military districts onto courses,” Frolov said. “We need people who are fairly confident in terms of computer literacy, quick on the uptake, and are attentive and responsible.”
    A two-week test of their abilities allows the academy to identify which students are able to become operators. “Those that stay with us undergo a full training program over the course of almost three months. After this they have to pass written tests and receive a certificate on conclusion of their studies, as well as a package for further work. They are then sent back to their units to resume their service,” Frolov said.

    By the end of 2013, around 800 servicemen from BPLA squadrons will have trained at the center, he said.


    http://indrus.in/economics/2013/12/12/russia_seriously_banking_on_drones_31567.html
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    Post  zg18 Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:01 pm

    From @Charly015 , secret stealth UCAV

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    UAVs in Russian Armed Forces: News - Page 9 Stealth+dise%C3%B1o+desconocido+3a

    Similar in size as MiG Skat

    http://www.charly015.blogspot.se/2013/12/diseno-stealth-desconocido-en-una.html

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    Post  mack8 Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:24 pm

    Nice find! Question is when and especially where was the image taken. Could this be a Skat RCS model or perhaps the Skat successor (Goshchik?)?
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    Post  AbsoluteZero Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:38 pm

    Hi guys, I saw this video on youtube while searching for Russian UAVs, is this for real? if it is I'm assuming it's just a custom made UAV but is the Russian MoD considering development and procurement of these types of UAVs?

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    Post  medo Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:09 pm

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46014/

    Central military district receive 7 UAV complexes Zastava, Granat and Leer.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:44 am

    Hi guys, I saw this video on youtube while searching for Russian UAVs, is this for real? if it is I'm assuming it's just a custom made UAV but is the Russian MoD considering development and procurement of these types of UAVs?

    With that fake accent I suspect it is just an advert for Call of Duty.

    Remember this video clearly shows every single target filled with explosive so the visual results are very unrealistic... that small gun on the UCAV would have less power than most SMGs let alone rifles.
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:50 pm

    Considering the range, I would say it use pistol ammo (9 x 19 mm). With anything stronger, it will have very hard time to control recoil.
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    Post  medo Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:28 pm

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46444/

    Southern military district in 2013 receive 30 UAV complexes Zastava, Granat, Orlan and Leer. In 2014 they will also receive UAVs Eleron and Tahion.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:04 pm

    Thats 9+ bin $  russia 


    Shoigu: program to equip the Russian Armed Forces drones worth almost 320 billion rubles

    Looking foward to see 20/5/1 ton Russian UCAV and whole constellation of UAVs
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    Post  Viktor Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:52 pm

    According to this link we might see 12ton intelligence UAV in air this year and during 2016 after 20 ton UCAV Smile

    So we have a timeframe  thumbsup 


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    Post  Flanky Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:24 pm

    Well i have been hearing about Zond for quite a long time.
    And other than models i have seen nothing.
    This alone is not evidence of absence but i guess engines are the problem, or perhaps constellation og communication sattelites?
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    Post  collegeboy16 Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:08 pm

    UAVs should be a priority- these arent just tools for murder- they are best used as eyes in the sky, like in searrch and retrievel after a natural disaster or border control.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:35 am

    Well i have been hearing about Zond for quite a long time.
    And other than models i have seen nothing.

    Making models is cheap and easy... building working UAVs is expensive... more expensive when there is no ready market for them.

    the Russian military has been talking about UAVs for decades but only over the last few years have actually spent real money on them.

    Now that there is real money there Russian aircraft design bureaus will be looking at the requirements and various weight classes and will be building new things.

    The US and Israeli UAVs and UCAVs didn't get built overnight either... they are on the end of long development chains that cost hundreds of millions of dollars invested and lots of mistakes and dead ends along the way.

    the Americans and Israelis are not idiots... if you could just design a final product and build it they would have done that years ago... as would the Russians.
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    Post  collegeboy16 Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:30 pm

    prolly problem is people are thinking UAVs are just RC planes on steroids and the opposite still being true, that UAVs are being built like full-blown aircraft. If the two can be made to meet at the middle can we say that the UAV situation is viewed properly.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:33 am

    With real aircraft you need lots of back up systems so that one system failing wont result in a loss of control and a crash.

    With a UAV you still need redundancy because there wont be a pilot there to re boot the systems or struggle with the controls and land an unflyable aircraft.
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    Post  Flanky Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:40 pm

    Well piloted or not piloted aircraft.... you need redundancy of systems either way.
    What however UAV does not need is pilot life support and safety systems.
    Anyway regarding Zond - i've seen reports about this UAV class back in 2006/2007.
    Thats a long time ago - even before the Georgian war when Russian generals have found out that they seriously need UAVs (finally).
    So i anticipate that there was work on the UAV done, but perhaps stopped?

    Many foreign weapons experts are quit amazed at the lack of Russian presence in this sphere.
    And im starting to be as well... Im myself very well aware that it is not easy to build UAV. If i remember correctly i used to have a big discussion in this topic with Garry. BUT... having absence for so long is plainly not very good. Chinese and UK are producing MALE and China even HALE UAV.
    There is no country that wouldn't need these UAVs more than Russia.
    Its vast unpopulated territory needs to be monitored in various ways and UAV platforms are the key.
    Monitoring foreign military movements and testing of new hardware is important as well.

    But i had also an idea... It is possible they already made thoose MALE models in secret.
    UCAV - they could still wait.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:25 pm

    What however UAV does not need is pilot life support and safety systems.

    It pretty much needs all the equipment a small plane needs and more... a little cessna does not need terrain avoidance equipment... you rely on the pilots skills to avoid flying into the ground, but a UAV like this with AESA antenna arrays will be very expensive so you don't want it crashing just because a pitot tube froze.

    You don't need helmets or ejection seats, though some method of ejecting payloads or expensive components for later recovery might actually be a useful thing.

    You don't need oxygen generation equipment or cockpit displays or controls, though if you did it would make development easier and quicker using a test pilot... the seat could be removed and the empty volume filled with a fuel bladder for operational missions.

    Anyway regarding Zond - i've seen reports about this UAV class back in 2006/2007.

    I saw pictures of models of the Typhoon in the mid 1980s when it was still called Eurofighter... these things take a lot of time and money... and there would be no money till after 2008 in Russia. Keep in mind that for every UAV prototype design we get to see they probably looked at hundreds from 30 different companies, plus they will have had other manned alternatives all fighting for funds as well... the M-17/M-55 and the Ka-31 both have battlefield management roles and would be competing for the same money.


    Many foreign weapons experts are quit amazed at the lack of Russian presence in this sphere.

    the problem is likely twofold... first the companies with the expertise and production facilities are currently busy producing manned aircraft to replace the existing obsolete fleet of manned aircraft, or upgrading existing models. Second I rather doubt the Russian military is 100% exactly sure of what they actually want. Experience with Israeli drones has probably given them some idea of what can be done, but I think you are ignoring some fundamental facts... they are world leaders in one field of unmanned recon vehicles... they are called satellites. Without GLONASS functioning fully any UAVs would be subject to the US military and as was also clearly shown in the conflict in Georgia they turned the civilian GPS signal off. Now that they are renewing their recon satellites and relay satellites then long range HALEs and MALEs make sense because if they can't relay the information they collect in real time then a satellite could be used instead.

    Chinese and UK are producing MALE and China even HALE UAV.

    Russia already has satellites for the long range recon role... that is not to say they don't need or can't use HALE or MALE UAVs, but that their requirements are not urgent as many of their requirements are much closer to home.

    Also they have made lots of developments in airships as well with antenna arrays and communications relays for mountainous or rugged areas... they even sold a few to China.

    But i had also an idea... It is possible they already made thoose MALE models in secret.
    UCAV - they could still wait.

    Almost every military event I see video footage of the use of smaller UAVs to monitor and record, and in military exercises the recon units use UAVs from dinner plate size and up...
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:25 pm

    Viktor wrote:According to this link we might see 12ton intelligence UAV in air this year and during 2016 after 20 ton UCAV Smile

    So we have a timeframe  thumbsup 


    Company "Sukhoi" plans to raise up in the air newest multipurpose UAV

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    Just saw this. Great news! Finally a serious step, a very serious one.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:35 am

    Possibly Al'tius-M.

    The AFAR compartment is labelled.

    What does "БО" stand for?

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    Post  Austin Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:44 am

    Yesterday I saw some news on Medvedev Visit to Kazan describing UAV made for MOD on request ....didnt realise this was it.

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/03/25/280281.html


    For the Prime Minister also organized an exhibition of companies engaged in the production of aircraft. Medvedev drew particular attention to the UAV, developed by request of the Russian Defense Ministry to monitor the Arctic zone. The machine can operate autonomously to 48 hours and climbing to 10 thousand kilometers.

    I think they are taking the range of UAV as 10 Thousand Km.

    For the range and endurance of 48 hours this baby is in Global Hawk Category but with  Turboprop engine rather than Turbofan as in Global Hawk

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-4_Global_Hawk
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:11 am

    Austin wrote:Yesterday I saw some news on Medvedev Visit to Kazan describing UAV made for MOD on request ....didnt realise this was it.

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2014/03/25/280281.html


    For the Prime Minister also organized an exhibition of companies engaged in the production of aircraft. Medvedev drew particular attention to the UAV, developed by request of the Russian Defense Ministry to monitor the Arctic zone. The machine can operate autonomously to 48 hours and climbing to 10 thousand kilometers.

    I think they are taking the range of UAV as 10 Thousand Km.

    For the range and endurance of 48 hours this baby is in Global Hawk Category but with  Turboprop engine rather than Turbofan as in Global Hawk

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-4_Global_Hawk

    A prop engine makes rather more sense for a reconnaissance role due to the fact that the thermal signature on FLIR cameras will be smaller and prop engines are rather more stable at slower speeds and low altitudes than a turbofan jet engine, it would be better if it was a coaxial contra-rotating dual prop.
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    Post  Austin Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:10 am

    Video of UAV

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    Post  Viktor Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:46 am

    And about the same from flightglobal

    PICTURES: Secret Russian UAV design revealed

    - 10 000 km range
    - AESA radar
    - 5 ton UAV

     thumbsup 
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    Post  Austin Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:56 am

    Sounds good , So does it have just Radar or even EO sensors.

    So know 3 UAV/UCAV under development

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