flamming_python wrote:DerWolf wrote:If Dircm protect against manpads then why ka-52 got shoot down? Perhaps shoot by a-a guns? Or Dircm is not 100% affective always?
The Ka-52 brought down near Gostomel airport has some 7 MANPADS fired at it before it was finally damaged and had to land. Don't remember if it was a MANPAD or AAA fire that brought it down in the end
Another Ka-52 I remember being shot down was by an ATGM, the Ukrainian Struna system or whatever its called. The laser designator would be offset a little bit while the missile is in flight to prevent the helicopter's warning systems from picking up on it. With the laser beam being directed at the helicopter at the last moment to secure a hit
There are many ways in fact to shoot down Ka-52s without using MANPADs. It can be from longer-ranged SAM systems by radar, from something like the British Starstreak or ATGMs via optically-guided means, or by 23mm AAA for example.
I think more Ka-52s were destroyed on the ground during idiotic deployments during the early stages, not all were destroyed completely and had to be towed away. Russians destroyed Ka-52 during retreat from Gostomel themselves, there is no way they could salvage it.
There are 2 videos of ATGM shooting down Ka-52s, this happened both times on April. One time Stugna operator was aiming offset and guided the missile last moment, another time other crew simply had Ka-52 in their sights all the time.
Not all losses on both sides are documented or clear, but could be even more than 15 or 25 what's not to believe? It's not US Vietnam helicopter losses. Check US helicopter operations and their losses and now imagine if their opponents had anything like what Ukraine has now.
Don't forget messy early stages when the front was wide and porous and AA teams were literally around them and helicopters were stationed in artillery range. Even according to Oryx list, the best antihelicopter weapon is artillery...
Ka-52 and Mi-28 are very active helicopters unlike Mi-24/35 which are relegated to escort missions (smart choice) and Ukrainians keep getting more and more AA weaponry that threatens helicopters than jets. They are very effective, but in the same time, they are working in very dangerous environments.
With 305 being used actively and no more idiotic forward deployments (I trust the current command in charge), it should be much safer now.