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    Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 23, 2023 4:54 am

    That is a huge amount of range. Overkill. None of the weapons on the Ka-52 operate at that distance.

    It is technically a recon attack helicopter... what the Commanche would have been but without the stealth, so range is actually useful and being able to find targets without getting close to enemy territory is a good thing that this current conflict has properly established I would think.

    BTW it can carry Hermes and LMUR missiles with ranges from 20km plus and designed to engage a range of different target types... not just enemy armour.

    Long range collection of target data with the Hokums would be ideal, they could operate as overwatch while the better armoured Mi-28s go in and shoot stuff up.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:17 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 KA-52 destroying Ukrainian tanks and infantry in Zaporozhye direction
    https://t.me/intelslava/49128

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    Post  lyle6 Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:51 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    That is a huge amount of range. Overkill. None of the weapons on the Ka-52 operate at that distance.
    Attack helicopters need quite a bit of detection range because they need to plan their approach before attacking.

    They don't have much armor so tanking heavy fire with frontal assaults is out of the question.


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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:01 am

    Your targets might not be at the edge of the enemy force... they might have a few layers of platforms in front of them that can shoot at you so range lets you shoot over defences to get targets deeper in the enemy lines first without having to fight your way in dealing with the forward defences first.

    Being able to pick through the enemy forces and take out air defence and HQ and other targets can really effect how they perform.

    Especially if you can smack EW jamming your drones and comms positions as well as air defence platforms and command and control sites.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:49 pm

    It's impossible to fight. APU was horrified by one Russian combat vehicle, 06.30.2023.

    Der Spiegel: Western weapons were powerless against the Russian Ka-52 helicopter.

    MOSCOW, June 30 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Ka-52 helicopter poses a huge threat to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as Western weapons cannot cope with it, writes the German magazine Spiegel.

    “Now a formidable enemy is often circling over the positions of the Ukrainian infantry: the Russian Ka-52, known as the Alligator. It is considered one of the best attack helicopters in the world, although it did not manage to fully prove itself in last year’s operations. Now the situation has changed dramatically", the post says.

    The author recalls that the Alligator has impressive weapons, including guided air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles and the Whirlwind anti-tank system. Thus, the crew can fire from a distance of up to ten kilometers. At the same time, the range of destruction of the German anti-aircraft system Gepard, transferred to Ukraine, is insufficient, as is that of the Stinger missile, capable of attacking equipment at a distance of up to four to six kilometers.

    The Ukrainian army cannot even send planes to intercept the Ka-52s, since Russian fighters are capable of shooting them down from a long distance, the article notes. In addition, during such operations, the already few aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be in close proximity to Russian anti-aircraft missile systems, concludes Spiegel.

    https://ria.ru/20230630/oruzhie-1881411035.html

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:24 pm


    The Ka-52 lost part of the tail boom after being hit by the MANPADS, but returned to base.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:27 pm

    Imagine the conversation in the design office "Yes it is possible, I have found a spot to bolt another item on at the end" Laughing

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    The new K-52M.

    This beauty burns Leopards and Bradleys of the enemy. All their praised and hyped equipment is blown to smithereens.

    And our main pride is the ultra-standard on-board defence system installed on it, which prevents any of the enemy's MANPADS from striking at a working vehicle.

    That's why the enemy's equipment burns like dry grass🫡

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    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1679063923792789505

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:44 am


    The irony in that this scenario is perfect ball game for the GLATGM + electro-optic jammer combo.

    Now NATO knows, only 30 years well after the fact.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:41 pm

    Very good article at the Drive, I know Smile on the Ka-52M

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    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/enhanced-version-of-russias-ka-52-attack-helicopter-appears

    In the comments is this one

    2 days ago

    I work outside nearby Martin State Airport and Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland and not too far from BW International Airport. Due to that proximity, many interesting aircraft can be seen.

    A few week ago I spotted what could only be a Ka-52 helicopter headed south at a couple thousand feet of altitude. Nothing on Flight Tracker. I guess the guys at Aberdeen have something novel to test.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:03 am

    Meet the Izdelie 305, a ruthless weapon that invalidates the Ukrainian counteroffensive, 07.29.2023.

    Western military and media organizations are admitting that Russian helicopters armed with Izdelie 305 missiles had a considerable impact on the results of the Kiev counteroffensive. Sputnik explores this weapon in detail.

    The Russian Ka-52M attack helicopters are equipped with a "new and very effective" long-range missile that poses a serious threat to the Ukrainian armed forces, according to the US media Forbes. The article cited the recent intelligence update of the Ministry of Defense of the United Kingdom, according to which one of the main improvements of the Ka-52M is the integration of the multipurpose light guided missile — LMUR, according to its acronym in Russian.

    In turn, the magazine indicated that this weapon "is in a different league" compared to others of this type and called it "remarkably deadly" and a "real escalation in the capabilities of helicopters" of the Russian army.

    The LMUR has appeared in the Russian Armed Forces relatively recently, but it has quickly proved to be an effective weapon for all kinds of combat missions. Its main advantage lies not only in the ability to achieve different types of objectives, but also in a certain flexibility of use, since it can be equipped on several carriers and has multiple modes of use. Sputnik reveals to you some of the main features of the missile terrifying for the enemy.

    Start of manufacturing

    Of some interest is the fact that the LMUR was not originally planned for the Russian Armed Forces. The roots of the missile, which would eventually be named Izdelie 305, come from the special contract of the Russian Federal Security Bureau (FSB), which ordered its manufacture from the Kolomna Design Bureau to arm the agency's helicopters. According to the initial idea, the new product of the Russian military industry would have to be used against various long-distance targets and provide fire support to ground units.

    The contract was agreed at the beginning of the 2010s, and already in the middle of the same decade the Izdelie 305 successfully passed state tests. Thus, the LMUR was recommended for service on corresponding structures.

    However, it is especially this period, when the Russian Defence Ministry noticed high prospects of the missile and conducted its own tests with different types of air carriers. Already at that stage they began to consider for use the latest models and modifications of Russian attack helicopters, including those that had not yet entered service, which confirmed the high expectations that the LMUR military agency had.

    Despite the fact that the first public demonstration of the Izdelie 305 did not take place until 2021, when all the main stages of development and testing had already been completed, the first combat use of the missile against various facilities and vehicles by the Russian Armed Forces was registered during its operations in Syria, before the open presentation. Today, the LMUR is applied to the framework of the Russian special military operation in Ukraine, which was captured in a multitude of combat videos showing the great accuracy of the new weapon.

    Main features of the LMUR

    According to publicly available data, which at the same time are not official, the LMUR air-to-surface guided missile has a maximum range of about 14.5 kilometers (it varies depending on the altitude and speed of the helicopter at the time of launch) and weighs about 100-105 kilos, which is twice as much as the Ataka or Vikhr anti-tank guided missiles. At the same time, it has a warhead that weighs about three times more than those of these two projectiles: about 25 kilos, which gives it a considerable penetration capacity.

    It has a solid fuel engine, with which it reaches speeds of up to 800 km/h. Its empennage and rudders are foldable for the convenience of transportation. The LMUR is less than 2 m long, has a body diameter of about 200 mm and a wingspan of no more than 600-700 mm.

    The Izdelie 305 is equipped with an optical seeker head that has two operating modes. The first mode assumes that the target is captured before the launch and the projectile follows it automatically. The second involves the flight to the approximate area of the target under the control of the carrier, followed by the detection of the target by the operator, who is responsible for the capture and manual guidance.

    The technological features of the missile include the interconnection of the guidance system with the communication equipment, which allows the transmission and reception of commands by video, including target acquisition. For helicopters, new types of launchers (APU, according to its acronym in Russian) were also developed, which are used with the Izdelie 305: APU-305 for one missile and APU-L for two at once.

    At Russian FSB service.

    Considering that the LMURS were originally ordered for the Russian Federal Security Bureau the first operators of the Izdelie 305 were the multi-purpose and transport-attack helicopters Mi-8MNP-2 and Mi-8AMTSH-VN of the FSB aviation.

    However, it was necessary to ensure the compatibility of the Izdelie 305 with the equipment of the Mi-8, so carriers received an additional set of devices, including launchers.

    After modernization, its maximum payload ranges from 6 to 8 LMUR missiles, depending on the task to be performed and/or the technical characteristics of a certain modification of the helicopter.

    In addition, the FSB helicopters received an optoelectronic station with day and night camera and laser rangefinder, which is installed under the nose of the fuselage. An antenna device for two-way communication with the missile is placed on the exterior of the modernized aircraft. Among the latest improvements, which also responds to the objective, the unmanned aerial vehicle interface equipment stands out. New fire control devices are installed in the cabins along with the standards and a console to control the launch and flight of the missile in different modes.

    In 2015-2016, the new configuration based on the Mi-8 variants had been tested and officially entered service.

    At the Russian Army service.

    However, the Russian Armed Forces opted for another way of introducing the LMUR into their service, that's why the set of improvements in the Army attack helicopters differs from those of the FSB.

    Thus, the first carrier of the Izdelie 305 in the Army aviation became the Mi-28NM helicopter, which has four pylons under the wing, each of which can mount a launcher for LMUR. As a result, the maximum ammunition includes eight missiles, which, at the same time, is rarely applied, since it is usually used in conjunction with other weapons.

    Target detection for LMUR is carried out with the standard means on board the Mi-28NM. After detecting the target, with the help of the optoelectronic system, its designation is issued to the head of the missile. The information from the radar and the optoelectronic system, as well as from the missile's guidance head, is displayed on the pilot and operator's screens. The control of the missile in flight can be carried out with the use of the devices of the unmanned aerial vehicle interface equipment, originally present on the helicopter.

    The same system is applied to Ka-52 attack helicopters and their modernized version. Like the Mi-28NM, the Ka-52 carries up to eight missiles and does not require an upgrade of the complex on-board equipment, already equipped with corresponding radars.

    The launch of the LMUR from Ka-52 or Mi-28NM is carried out in both modes: with the preliminary capture of the target or with the missile guided by the crew to the required point manually. Taking into account the prospects for the development of weapons and other equipment, the Ka-52M was also equipped with the devices of the unmanned aerial vehicle interface equipment.

    Russian attack helicopters equipped with the Izdelie 305 are capable of detecting and escorting various ground objects at different ranges, while preserving the entire arsenal. This availability of various types of guided weapons with different flight characteristics makes it easier for them to successfully fulfill a wide range of tasks.

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    https://sputniknews.lat/20230729/conoce-el-izdelie-305-un-arma-despiadada-que-invalida-la-contraofensiva-ucraniana--videos-fotos-1142061886.html

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:42 pm

    I appreciate the beautiful animation, but I am skeptical of the claim of high Alligator losses in the early stages of SMO. While I agree with some of the criticism on its usage in the beginning, but comparing its losses with Apache losses is absurd, cause Murica and its lackys did not face any significant air defense threat.

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:43 am

    [Ka-52M] The volume of defense orders at the Progress Helicopter Plant, which produces Ka-52M combat helicopters, doubled in 2023. This plant is already preparing the GOZ-2024. This factory is big, it seems empty. 30 Ka-52M in 2023??
    [Russia] Sergei Shoigu became familiar with the manufacturing process of Ka-52M helicopters in the workshops of the Progress factory. New equipment, increasing the combat survivability of the helicopter. Crew training complex

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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:52 pm

    Meanwhile the western MSM tells us that Russia has to beg North-Korea for T-54 tanks.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:03 pm

    Keep calm, they will soon remind themselves the T-35-85 from Myanmar case, and push it forward Laughing

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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:16 pm

    T-34-85.  Very Happy
    Good enough to kill the Bradley.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 16, 2023 3:54 am

    Good enough to tow the corpse of a Bradley back to Russian lines...

    Perhaps instead of talking about T-54s they might be talking about very long range North Korean artillery rockets and asking them if they want to take some for a test drive to see how they go in the real world.... give them a chance to tweak and perfect them against a US supported enemy.

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