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Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
galicije83- Posts : 213
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- Post n°426
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
all missiles was fired from distance of 8km. u can see in left down corner distance and ПР command on piltot HUD (ПР or PR is command given by computer when is missile in target range. For Vikhr is 8.0km)...
ult- Posts : 837
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- Post n°427
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
No. Not all. There were 5km shots.
ult- Posts : 837
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- Post n°428
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
You can see the distances here.
Werewolf- Posts : 5934
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- Post n°429
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
ult wrote:You can see the distances here.
I would say it is Ataka not Vikhr ATGM. 20 sec for 8km and 13 sec for 5.5km does not sound like Vikhr.
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°430
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
21 seconds to 8km is 380m/s average, 11 seconds to 5km is 454m/s average.
It does sound like ATAKA at an average of 400m/s, but Ataka can't hit targets at 8km range...
It does sound like ATAKA at an average of 400m/s, but Ataka can't hit targets at 8km range...
franco- Posts : 7077
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- Post n°431
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
14 Ka-52's to be delivered this year. Not sure if the 50 left on the contract is the present total or what will be left for delivery in 2018-2020. The contract reportedly was for 146 helicopters.
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170603/1495732127.html
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170603/1495732127.html
medo- Posts : 4343
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- Post n°432
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
GarryB wrote:21 seconds to 8km is 380m/s average, 11 seconds to 5km is 454m/s average.
It does sound like ATAKA at an average of 400m/s, but Ataka can't hit targets at 8km range...
Ataka 9M120M have range of 8 km, so maybe Ka-52 use Ataka at its max range thanks to precise radar, which could calculate precize distance of launching to the target to use missile effectively at max distance.
galicije83- Posts : 213
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- Post n°433
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Or Russians used latest D version of ataka missile with range of 10kms....
George1- Posts : 18552
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- Post n°434
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria
medo- Posts : 4343
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- Post n°435
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
George1 wrote:Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria
Night launch from 7,5 km distance.
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- Post n°436
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
George1 wrote:Another use of Vikhr-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria
I am really wondering is it sensor resolution to be blamed, or export compression, but that FLIR is so grainy my eyes hurt.
medo- Posts : 4343
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- Post n°437
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
https://www.russiadefence.net/t1093p275-ka-52-in-russian-air-force
In Voenaya priemka video about Ka-52, FLIR and TV picture on pilots LCD displays was christal clear and quality of picture is not reduced by zooming. By the pictures given from Werewolf, similar bad resolution have low level light TV. Could be, that RuAF intentionally give bad resolution LLLTV night attack video instead of FLIR, that we could not see real capabilities of russian FLIR camera. But if LLLTV could still attack targets at 8 km distance in the night, it is still great as LLLTV could be a back up for FLIR camera. This mean two night channels, II and TI and we could add here radar as well.
In Voenaya priemka video about Ka-52, FLIR and TV picture on pilots LCD displays was christal clear and quality of picture is not reduced by zooming. By the pictures given from Werewolf, similar bad resolution have low level light TV. Could be, that RuAF intentionally give bad resolution LLLTV night attack video instead of FLIR, that we could not see real capabilities of russian FLIR camera. But if LLLTV could still attack targets at 8 km distance in the night, it is still great as LLLTV could be a back up for FLIR camera. This mean two night channels, II and TI and we could add here radar as well.
hoom- Posts : 2352
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- Post n°438
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
In training a Ka-52 damaged itself shooting the gun http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2657147.html
Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.
Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.
archangelski- Posts : 624
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- Post n°439
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
hoom wrote:In training a Ka-52 damaged itself shooting the gun
Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.
Shell malfunction ??
marat- Posts : 352
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- Post n°440
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
His rotor lack one blade that couldnt be from his shell.
hoom- Posts : 2352
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- Post n°441
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
From the wide shot I thought it might have been an early detonation but look at the closeup one, you can see the scrape trail of the shell hitting at low angle before it digs in at the panel (presumably then explodes forward of the radome causing the shrapnel damage)Shell malfunction ??
Isos- Posts : 11622
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- Post n°442
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
What is the detector on the side ? President S ?
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°443
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Dunno how that happens, I'd assumed there was a solid angle limit on the gun to prevent that.
Perhaps the gun in the Ka-52 is the same as the Ka-50 with the same angles of movement despite the larger nose in the Ka-52...
From the wide shot I thought it might have been an early detonation but look at the closeup one, you can see the scrape trail of the shell hitting at low angle before it digs in at the panel (presumably then explodes forward of the radome causing the shrapnel damage)
The fuse on the 30mm shells has an arming delay so it would not explode immediately when it hit the fuselage side...
hoom- Posts : 2352
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- Post n°444
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
I meant some kind of fuse failure so it detonated in the air next to the radome without hitting anything -> shrapnel damage.
I'm thinking that during a burst the recoil can cause it to bounce a bit past the angle limit or maybe bad adjustment by ground-crew?
That seems like an unlikely engineering fail.Perhaps the gun in the Ka-52 is the same as the Ka-50 with the same angles of movement despite the larger nose in the Ka-52...
I'm thinking that during a burst the recoil can cause it to bounce a bit past the angle limit or maybe bad adjustment by ground-crew?
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°445
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
The damage is limited to a very small area, which suggests to me the round was not that close when it exploded.
If the fuse had failed I would expect there would have been no explosion at all.
The minimal fragment damage suggests the delay on the fuse worked as advertised and detonated the round well clear of the helo.. the shell fragments would mainly go sideways and forward, so the limited damage suggests parts of the round blown backwards were to blame for the damage.
If the fuse had failed I would expect there would have been no explosion at all.
The minimal fragment damage suggests the delay on the fuse worked as advertised and detonated the round well clear of the helo.. the shell fragments would mainly go sideways and forward, so the limited damage suggests parts of the round blown backwards were to blame for the damage.
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°446
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
I am really wondering is it sensor resolution to be blamed, or export compression, but that FLIR is so grainy my eyes hurt.
A recent news article on Sputnik mentioned they were improving their helos based on experience in Syria and that one of the things they were improving was to clarity and range of optics fitted to attack aircraft.
hoom- Posts : 2352
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- Post n°447
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Via Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/6hljrl/russian_ka52_helicopter_shots_himself_location/
Apparently the Egyptian Ka-52s have a bracket to prevent this
So I guess that will start showing up on Russian birds soon™
Apparently the Egyptian Ka-52s have a bracket to prevent this
So I guess that will start showing up on Russian birds soon™
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°448
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Bracket?
All I see inside that red drawn circle is the fold down step to the left and a handle to the right to help the crew to get on board the aircraft...
All I see inside that red drawn circle is the fold down step to the left and a handle to the right to help the crew to get on board the aircraft...
GarryB- Posts : 40723
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- Post n°449
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Considering the amount of time this design has been tested I was reading through the stupid comments on the link posted above about it being made of Balsa wood and it made me think... considering it role perhaps they were testing APDS rounds.. with rifling the sabots would shed rather rapidly and could have made the slicing damage without the gun being able to angle far enough to hit the fuselage...
George1- Posts : 18552
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- Post n°450
Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force
Russia’s Alligator attack helicopter’s land version to get folding blades
The helicopter’s modernization has already begun
MOSCOW, July 10. /TASS/. The land version of the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: Hokum-B) reconnaissance/attack helicopter is expected to get folding blades as part of its upgrade, Russian Helicopters Group, part of Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Monday.
"As the technique of folding blades has been mastered, a possibility is being considered to use this technology also in the manufacture of the land version of this helicopter’s modification," the Russian Helicopters press office said.
The helicopter’s modernization has already begun. This innovation will make it possible to keep this helicopter at hangars, which gives the Alligator’s land version a fundamental advantage, the press office said.
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov earlier said that Ka-52 Alligator helicopters could be modernized considering the experience of their combat use in Syria.
According to the deputy defense minister, the Ka-52 has proved its worth in combat operations in Syria.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/955572
The helicopter’s modernization has already begun
MOSCOW, July 10. /TASS/. The land version of the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: Hokum-B) reconnaissance/attack helicopter is expected to get folding blades as part of its upgrade, Russian Helicopters Group, part of Russia’s state hi-tech corporation Rostec, told TASS on Monday.
"As the technique of folding blades has been mastered, a possibility is being considered to use this technology also in the manufacture of the land version of this helicopter’s modification," the Russian Helicopters press office said.
The helicopter’s modernization has already begun. This innovation will make it possible to keep this helicopter at hangars, which gives the Alligator’s land version a fundamental advantage, the press office said.
Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov earlier said that Ka-52 Alligator helicopters could be modernized considering the experience of their combat use in Syria.
According to the deputy defense minister, the Ka-52 has proved its worth in combat operations in Syria.
More:
http://tass.com/defense/955572