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    Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:13 am

    Your helicopter will self-destruct in 5 seconds...  Laughing

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:16 am

    https://yamal-media.ru/news/rossijskoj-armii-peredali-modernizirovannye-boevye-vertolety-ka-52m
    January 04, 2023
    TASS: the Russian army received the first 10 modernized combat helicopters Ka-52M

    Russian troops received the first models of the upgraded Ka-52M attack and reconnaissance helicopters, TASS reported, citing a source in the military-industrial complex.
    About 10 vehicles were handed over to the Army Aviation.
    The first Ka-52Ms have already been handed over to the Russian troops. Deliveries of upgraded vehicles will also continue in 2023.

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:32 am

    If everything was fully implemented in this upgrade program it will be one of the most sophisticated and dangerous helicopters ever made. When you add to this its sensor suite and vikhr and article 305 missiles and defense systems and complex comms network and datalinks for drones and fighters and command centers... only the Apache stands alongside it.

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:39 am


    TMA1 wrote:If everything was fully implemented in this upgrade program it will be one of the most sophisticated and dangerous helicopters ever made. When you add to this its sensor suite and vikhr and article 305 missiles and defense systems and complex comms network and datalinks for drones and fighters and command centers... only the Apache stands alongside it

    I believe that the objective is that the Ka-52M and Mi-28NM helicopters do all the work on the front lines and that a substitute for the Su-25 is not necessary, which would explain the large increase in the number of helicopter units that are foresees (one helicopter brigade for each Combined Arms Army)

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    Post  Broski Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:51 am

    I believe that the objective is that the Ka-52M and Mi-28NM helicopters do all the work on the front lines and that a substitute for the Su-25 is not necessary

    A future high speed helicopter would be the best replacement for the Su-25.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:29 pm

    How many helicopters would be built with the new aviation army brigade expansion?

    5 regiments worth is how many helicopter?
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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:34 pm

    One regiment has 3 squadrons of 12 - 16 helicopters.
    A brigade should have 4 squadrons.

    A future high speed helicopter would be the best replacement for the Su-25.
    That model has an internal weapons bay for up to 8 Izd. 305 (LMUR) missiles
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    Post  franco Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:10 pm

    Helicopter units are called Army Aviation because they support the Army however they belong to the Air Force. Some units are based at one airfield while others may be stationed at 2 or more. As Hole mentioned, the difference was to be 3 versus 4 squadrons with total aircraft from 60-80 including UAV's that required runway lift over. Brigades were to support Military Districts and Regiments to support Combined Arms Armies. Units / Locations / Supporting:

    - 15th Army Aviation brigade - Ostrov (Western / 76th ABD)
    - 16th Army Aviation brigade - Zernograd (Southern / 7th ABD)
    - 17th Army Aviation brigade - Kamensk-Uralsky (Central /2nd CAA/90th TD)
    - 18th Army Aviation brigade - Khabarovsk (Eastern /35th CAA/68th AC)
    - 39th Army Aviation regiment - Djankoi (Crimea)
    - 55th Army Aviation regiment - Korenovsk (49th/8th CAA)
    - 337th Army Aviation regiment - Tolmachevo (41st CAA)
    - 378th Army Aviation regiment - Vyazma (20th CAA/ 1st TA)
    - 412th Army Aviation regiment - Cheryomushki (29th/36th CAA)
    - 487th Army Aviation regiment - Budennovsk (58th CAA)
    - 549th Army Aviation regiment - Pushkin (6th CAA)
    - 575th Army Aviation regiment - Chernigovka (5th CAA)

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    Post  mack8 Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:54 pm

    Recent footage of Ka-52 in action
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2023151657-LS6UT.html

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:29 am

    franco wrote:- 15th Army Aviation brigade - Ostrov (Western / 76th ABD)
    - 16th Army Aviation brigade - Zernograd (Southern / 7th ABD)
    - 17th Army Aviation brigade - Kamensk-Uralsky (Central /2nd CAA/90th TD)
    - 18th Army Aviation brigade - Khabarovsk (Eastern /35th CAA/68th AC)
    - 39th Army Aviation regiment - Djankoi (Crimea)
    - 55th Army Aviation regiment - Korenovsk (49th/8th CAA)
    - 337th Army Aviation regiment - Tolmachevo (41st CAA)
    - 378th Army Aviation regiment - Vyazma (20th CAA/ 1st TA)
    - 412th Army Aviation regiment - Cheryomushki (29th/36th CAA)
    - 487th Army Aviation regiment - Budennovsk (58th CAA)
    - 549th Army Aviation regiment - Pushkin (6th CAA)
    - 575th Army Aviation regiment - Chernigovka (5th CAA)

    at the moment there is no real brigade since all the helicopter units have 3 squadrons at most, plus some incomplete Mi-26 units
    What was proposed in 2013-2014 when the reform of the Air Force began is still halfway
    The Ka-52, Mi-28, Mi-8AMTSh squadrons have 20 helicopters in theory, although not all of them were complete before the Special Military Operation.

    Also is confused the  previous names: "Aviation Base" (AvB) was before the "regiment" designation, when they did not have 3 squadrons but only two

    the current names:
    440th OVP "Separate Helicopter Regiment" , former 378th AvB "Aviation Base" - Vyazma
    332nd OVP "Separate Helicopter Regiment" , former 549th AvB "Aviation Base" - Pushkin & Pribylovo
    319th OVP "Separate Helicopter Regiment" ,  former 575th AvB "Aviation Base"  - Chernigovka

    About the locations, are mixed with names of airfields:
    Cheryomushki is the airfield, the city is Chita
    Tolmachevo is the larger airport of Novosibirsk
    Pushkin airfield in St Petersburg city and Pribylovo is in Leningrad oblast

    in the same way:
    Veretya airfield in Ostrov
    Dvoyevka airfield in Vyazma
    Travyany airfield in Kamensk-Uralsk
    etc...

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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:27 am

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    Post  Vympel Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:09 pm

    Anyone got a good piece / rundown of the Ka-52M improvements?
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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:29 am

    Ka-52M; tail number, apparently Nº88 ?
    A brand new Ka-52M with an updated airborne defense system and a new gyro-stabilized optoelectronic system GOES-451M on the way to shoot Ukrainian armored vehicles in the Zaporozhye direction.
    https://t.me/milinfolive/102356
    The first example of the new edition of the very successful Kamov 52 helicopter called KA 52M, which has suffered in various fields.
    The updated one entered the battlefield and performed its first operation in the Zaporizhzhya region. The very good performance of this helicopter has caused the Russians to take refuge in this iron curtain wing....

    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456300008


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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:03 am

    Looks more like a regular Ka-52.

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:05 am

    Hole wrote:Looks more like a regular Ka-52.

    is one unknown Ka-52, with yellow tail number.

    the contract for 30 Ka-52M should be delivered between 2023 and 2024

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:11 pm

    * 13:52 Today's Financial Times laments the power of the Russian "Alligators", assigning them a major role in the fact that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is choking. Dedicated a separate article to this. Of course, the main conclusion: it is urgent to supply Ukraine with additional air defense systems and Apache helicopters
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    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/51651

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:51 pm

    From the twitter link and pictures there are quite a few alterations to the current Ka-52 model.
    I can't go into detail as I am at working place with to many curious eyes surrounding me.

    Besides the already mentioned points of DIRCM, GOES I have noticed the enlarged frontal cockpit section, to be precise it was enlarged downwards. If you take a look at the 4th picture with the L-370-5 vs L-418-5 info, you can see a visible angle right when the crew compartment is starting. This can mean anything from more armor (unlikely) to upgrade/necessity of more/different electronic components for the new radar.

    Most probably this alteration of the fuselage will come with weight distribution issues and measures and I would expect that either they changed something at the back to balance it out or managed to rebalance the weight distribution with existing electronic components stored in the tail and nose section part.
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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:28 pm

    So it´s a stepping stone towards the Ka-52M.
    Main part missing is the antenna for the communication with LMUR missiles.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:47 pm

    Hole wrote:So it´s a stepping stone towards the Ka-52M.
    Main part missing is the antenna for the communication with LMUR missiles.

    Maybe it is integrated in the nose.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:08 am

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦 KA-52 destroying more Ukrainian vehicles in Zaporozhye direction.
    https://t.me/intelslava/49098

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:33 am

    Maybe it is integrated in the nose.
    Not much space there besides the radar.
    The prototype had this promiment fairing under the outer part of one wing.
    Could be that either the antenna and electronics shrunk a little or the feature
    was integrated into the regular comm system of the helicopter.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:50 am

    The radar is under the nose. IMO the nose is empty now. So there is plenty of space.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:34 pm

    Isos wrote:The radar is under the nose. IMO the nose is empty now. So there is plenty of space.

    I think it is smaller AESA radar now compared with the older moveable one

    https://topwar.ru/164132-modernizirovannyj-ka-52m-poluchit-novyj-radar-s-afar.html

    Модернизированный вариант ударного вертолета Ка-52М "Аллигатор" получит новую радиолокационную станцию "Резец" с активной фазированной антенной решеткой. Как передает "NPlus1" со ссылкой на Jane’s, разработкой радара занимается петербургская компания "Заслон».

    Как пишет издание, серийные вертолеты Ка-52, поставляемые в вооруженные силы в настоящее время, имеют на вооружении двухдиапазонную когерентно-импульсную радиолокационную станцию "Арбалет", обеспечивающую надежное обнаружение наземных объектов типа "мост" на дальности до 32 километров, а различных воздушных целей — на дальности до 15 километров. Новый радар "Резец" с неподвижной АФАР на 640 приемо-передающих модулей обеспечивает обнаружение цели типа "мост" на дальности до 100 километров, корабль класса "эсминец" — 150 километров, а воздушные цели — на дальности до 50 километров. При этом новый радар весит на 10 кг меньше "Арбалета" - 120 кг вместо 130.

    Translation:

    The upgraded version of the Ka-52M Alligator attack helicopter will receive a new Cutter radar station with an active phased array antenna. As "NPlus1" reports with reference to Jane's, the St. Petersburg company "Zaslon" is engaged in the development of the radar.

    According to the publication, serial Ka-52 helicopters currently supplied to the armed forces are armed with a dual-band coherent pulse radar station "Arbalet", which provides reliable detection of ground objects of the "bridge" type at a range of up to 32 kilometers, and various aerial targets at a range of up to 15 kilometers. The new Cutter radar with a fixed AFAR with 640 receiving and transmitting modules provides detection of a bridge-type target at a range of up to 100 kilometers, a destroyer—class ship — 150 kilometers, and air targets - at a range of up to 50 kilometers. At the same time, the new radar weighs 10 kg less than the "Crossbow" - 120 kg instead of 130.

    Since the old radar was a dual band moving tranceiver head with a parabol type antenna the new one is simply a fixed panel consisting of 640 receiving and transmitting modules. That safes a lot of space since there is no more mechanics necessary for the movement of the radar head. The radar is still there.

    What else is there that is the question. New weapon guidance system with integrated system to control drones?

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    Post  lancelot Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:08 pm

    That is a huge amount of range. Overkill. None of the weapons on the Ka-52 operate at that distance.
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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 22, 2023 3:15 pm

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    No matter which radar they choose, it is in the nose.
    The optoelectronic turret is under the nose.

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