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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:17 am

    Most helicopters would be sitting ducks to fighter aircraft simply because fighter aircraft have radar that can see aircraft down to ground level including hovering objects from enormous distances, while helicopter rarely have the radar or the missiles to fire back.

    In the case of Ka-52 in army aviation then it will carry Verba or Igla-S or R-73 for self defence or for use against drones, but the normal defence that protects the Ka-52 attacking HATO vehicles would be the Russian AF fighter aircraft... most likely a mix of frontal aviation which will likely soon be expanded with MiG-35s and Su-30s, while their ground based air defence network with TOR and Pantsir and Pine and BUK and S-300V will shoot down any incoming missiles of most types, and of course western AWACS would be dead very very quickly simply because S-400 missiles of the long range variety as well as S-500 missiles are big and power and expensive, but the chance of killing an AWACS makes the shot worth it.

    There is also the MiG-31 and soon a replacement missile for the R-37M with a significant increase in performance, not to mention the fact that helicopters have radar warning receivers so when they detect an incoming air launched missile they can fly between a few buildings or near a tree which will set off the incoming missiles proximity fuse and destroy the missile before it gets near the helicopter.

    Specifically I was suggesting it in a scenario where a Ka-52 is integrated in to IAD with a few land command posts that passively listens to a set of radars located 10km away from the command posts. All the pieces are well hidden behind dummy foliage designed like a Nakhidka kit, where the Ka-52 is actually on a landing pad besides the command posts hiding behind a mountain range. Once the command posts inform the Ka-52 pilot of OPFOR fighter approach from 200km away, the Ka-52 starts up and hovers 50-100 meters above the canopy but still behind the mountain range, and once the OPFOR fighter is within 150km range, the 2 R-37M's are launched while being remotely guided by radars in the IAD. It's like a point blank attack with a OPFOR fighter having less than a minute before being shot out the sky by a pair R-37M's traveling at Mach 6.

    Or you could use the Ka-52 Army Scout helicopter the way it is intended and it can head back to base and do its normal work of looking for enemy including using air launched drones, while fighter aircraft can be sent out to intercept the intruder and identify it and challenge it and if necessary shoot it down.

    The Ka-52K naval helicopter has a large nose mounted AESA radar which means it can detect aircraft and large ships at reasonable ranges, but even then operating from a helicopter carrier it could climb to 5km altitude and scan for incoming threats which can be engaged by long range ship based SAMs or anti ship or anti sub weapons.

    If you really want something to fly out and be sneaky and find targets and monitor engagements then us Su-57s launched from 85K ton CVNs... they can carry the next gen replacement missiles of the R-37M family and do a much better job of dismembering the evil empire.
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    Post  TMA1 Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:33 pm

    Huh it has old EO housing. Does it have the aesa radar? Damn I love the lmur missiles. It is becoming an incredible machine. Now it has brimstone like weapons.
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    Post  dino00 Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:13 pm

    The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for 30 Ka-52M helicopters

    The contract was signed for the next two years


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12205365

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:22 am

    dino00 wrote:The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for 30 Ka-52M helicopters

    The contract was signed for the next two years


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12205365

    Well, it was already necessary, almost all the Ka-52 ordered in 2012. As announced there are 8 to be delivered,
    Image of helicopters from the last batch appeared. By the numbers and color they are probably from the 16th Air Brigade based in Zernograd which until now only had Mi-28 and Mi-8AMTSh


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    In addition to Zernograd, have completed their squadrons of Ka-52 the units of:
    Vyazma and Ostrov in the Western Military District
    Korenovsk and Dzhankoy in the Southern Military District
    Chernigovka and Khabarovsk in the Eastern Military District

    Therefore the only VKS unit left to be equipped with Ka-52M would be the Novosibirsk regiment in the Central Military District.


    After that, it would only be necessary to modernize all the Ka-52 previously received, in addition to equipping the 4 fleets with Ka-52K squadrons.
    According to the data and images available to date, more than 140 Ka-52 were received.

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    Post  Hole Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:38 pm

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    For comparison. Old and new optics.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:55 am

    Probably includes different IR frequencies for their different performances... long medium and short wave have different properties and advantages.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:37 pm

    Note the little figure top left of cockpit Very Happy

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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:40 pm

    A ghost ? pale
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    Post  LMFS Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:45 am

    The Ka-52 seats have that rocket above the headrest to pull them out of the cockpit upon ejection

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:12 pm

    Hole wrote:Ka-52 in Russian Air Force - Page 29 035510
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    For comparison. Old and new optics.

    Fascinating! Different looking from the EO pod seen with upgraded Egyptian ka-52's. Any recent statements about the radar upgrade?
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:29 am

    The cockpit of the Ka-52 reconnaissance and attack helicopter
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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:02 pm

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    The back of an Ka-52M. Not involved in Zapad-21, but... pirat

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:39 am

    Nice... that photo clearly shows the datalink pod is a replacement for the third wing pylon normally used for AAM like MANPADS...

    Note here is an image from a Tweet above...

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    As you can see on its left wing (on the right to us) is that large box on the inner pylon, the next pylon is free and the third, outer pylon has the new datalink pod to control the LMUR missiles.

    The large box is for carrying tools and equipment for forward deployments in temporary bases and is commonly used for test flights etc etc.

    Fascinating! Different looking from the EO pod seen with upgraded Egyptian ka-52's. Any recent statements about the radar upgrade?

    AFAIK the new AESA radar for the naval Ka-52 is an air to air as well as air to ground radar and should offer air to air performance comparable to most modern fighter aircraft radars... ie 100km plus detection of air targets.

    The older radars used were designed for ground targets and did not operate in the cm wavelength... the mm wave radars having shorter ranges and are effected more by atmospheric conditions/weather.

    It should mean one of these helicopters should be able to take off from a helicopter carrier and do a pedal turn in the hover at 4km altitude and do a quick 360 degree scan for air targets down to sea level out to a very significant radar horizon... and it should be able to use modes to detect ships at decent distances too.

    Air to air missiles fired by the helicopter will not have the reach of the exact same missiles being fired by a fighter aircraft because of the lower forward flight speed at launch, but when shooting down incoming anti ship missiles the air picture collected by the helicopter of the threats would be invaluable... the air borne radar is rather more valuable than any missiles it might carry because even a single helicopter could operate 100km ahead of the ships and detect and track incoming anti ship missiles, so 150km range 9M96 missiles could be launched from ships 100km behind the helicopter and be directed to incoming targets 50km in front of the helicopter... the SAMs are quite fast so they would be able to engage lots of targets as they close in on the ships... the point is that from the enemies perspective they will detect an airborne radar scanning and tracking their missiles but likely wont know the ship composition of the force because they can just receive target data from their helicopter... so is the Russian force a single Corvette with a Ka-52 on board or a dozen ships including Frigates and destroyers and helicopter carriers and a Kirov or two...

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:31 pm

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    Post  Hole Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:25 pm

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    Coming back to that pic. I´m not sure but it looks as if the outer pylon behind the datalink pod is still there = still usable for Igla or Verba missiles.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:50 am

    Would be nice if it was... I mean the makers of the pod should have said... OK this pod is going on the outer wing pylon... lets put some through plugs to allow what they normally load there to still be loaded there so we don't waste the pylon... if they angled the sensor up into line with the wing they might have been able to fit missiles underneath it...

    Better still if they had modified the pylon the actual missile is mounted on that carries two missiles could have one with the datalink pod on as well so it does not require extra pylons and any helo could use them.

    Looking at it from the side you might perhaps be able to carry a couple of mini bombs like the new ones for drones on the centre and rear part of the pylon... maybe.
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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:17 am

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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:21 am

    It's the kh-50 designed for drones.

    Any data about it ?

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