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One thing americans(and other nato people) pride themselves in is mast mounted radars, and put a massive amount of emphasis on shooting behind cover with only the mast radar detecting targets. Russians don't seem to care about this tactic, because the Ka-52's radar is nose mounted, while there isn't much effort to install the arbalet radar on the mi-28? Why is that?
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limb wrote:One thing americans(and other nato people) pride themselves in is mast mounted radars, and put a massive amount of emphasis on shooting behind cover with only the mast radar detecting targets. Russians don't seem to care about this tactic, because the Ka-52's radar is nose mounted, while there isn't much effort to install the arbalet radar on the mi-28? Why is that?
Different tasks.
Mi-28NM has mast mounted radar
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With their mast mounted radar they were mostly kept away from hot wars most of the times and let A-10 do the work.
Mountains will be full of manpads in a conflict so it's not really that smart to use such tactics.
Mountains will be full of manpads in a conflict so it's not really that smart to use such tactics.
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Lots of vibration to deal with with mast mounted sights.
And the idea that some helicopter can hover behind a tree or bush or building and scan for targets is bullshit.
Ironically their mast mounted radars and Russian radars... mast mounted and otherwise... work roughly the same way... you pop up and expose your radar... whether it is above the rotor or in the nose... you remain there for 3-4 seconds and scan and then you drop down behind cover while your onboard computer analyses the returns and starts identifying and marking targets.
The most common object on a battlefield that a helicopter could hide behind in a real war would be either a tree or a building.
If the target is a late model Russian tank even it is going to detect the rotor blades and huge IR signature of the helicopter... even behind the tree...
The point is that the air defence units operating with that tank is going to detect it because it is scanning with a radar... no matter how dense that tree is or the building... or whatever that helicopter is going to be in danger.
Soviet air defence forces are formidable... and there does not exist a sort of tree that you can hide behind that will hide you from every direction... the radar on the Apache can only view about 70-80 degrees forward when looking for targets on the ground. The 360 degree scan is for targets in the air.
That means hiding behind a tree it can look forward lets say 90 degrees... but in doing so it is emitting radar at Russian forces that will be networked... air defences behind the helicopter will immediately be alerted if they were not already aware of the helicopters presence.
What I am trying to say is that sitting behind cover looking for threats sounds like a good idea, but when your side canopy windows can be penetrated by AK fire using standard ball ammo operating that low is dangerous...
In comparison the Mi-28NM has side windows that can withstand 14.5mm HMG rounds fired from 5m.
And the idea that some helicopter can hover behind a tree or bush or building and scan for targets is bullshit.
Ironically their mast mounted radars and Russian radars... mast mounted and otherwise... work roughly the same way... you pop up and expose your radar... whether it is above the rotor or in the nose... you remain there for 3-4 seconds and scan and then you drop down behind cover while your onboard computer analyses the returns and starts identifying and marking targets.
The most common object on a battlefield that a helicopter could hide behind in a real war would be either a tree or a building.
If the target is a late model Russian tank even it is going to detect the rotor blades and huge IR signature of the helicopter... even behind the tree...
The point is that the air defence units operating with that tank is going to detect it because it is scanning with a radar... no matter how dense that tree is or the building... or whatever that helicopter is going to be in danger.
Soviet air defence forces are formidable... and there does not exist a sort of tree that you can hide behind that will hide you from every direction... the radar on the Apache can only view about 70-80 degrees forward when looking for targets on the ground. The 360 degree scan is for targets in the air.
That means hiding behind a tree it can look forward lets say 90 degrees... but in doing so it is emitting radar at Russian forces that will be networked... air defences behind the helicopter will immediately be alerted if they were not already aware of the helicopters presence.
What I am trying to say is that sitting behind cover looking for threats sounds like a good idea, but when your side canopy windows can be penetrated by AK fire using standard ball ammo operating that low is dangerous...
In comparison the Mi-28NM has side windows that can withstand 14.5mm HMG rounds fired from 5m.
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