Russian Liberal Opposition

If that was all Putin wanted he could easily have done it any number of a dozen different ways...

What he has said is that the current Russian constitution was written by Americans... after 30 years of it these are the changes I think we should make... lets have a vote to see what you think about it.

Western politicians could certainly do the same but they are afraid that all their rainbow crap might bite them in the ass and the shit they have been pushing down the throats of most people living in the west is not something they even like... I suspect that is the real reason the UK left the EU... nobody wants unelected liberal idiots dictating to them what they can or cannot do in their own country....

The huge irony here in New Zealand is that Putins crime... and it is considered a crime here, is that he is changing the rules so he can be president until 2036.... which is totally hilarious because here in New Zealand there are no term limits or restrictions on the role of Prime Minister... they can get in as often as they can and stay for as long as they keep getting voted back in and not back stabbed by their own party...

miketheterrible wrote:So there are still protests in Khabarovsk over detention of LDPR governor who was involved in a murder of a business man back in 2004.

So the protestors and their Navalny backed morons were claiming upwards to 82,000 people were out protesting. And using fake photography over it.  Reality is different though.  While the Navalniests and the supporters of these gang clans are out and about stirring the pot and claiming a "real revolution" while tarnishing Russia's name is onwards, it really isn't.

https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-truth-about-massive-protests-in-khabarovsk/

Quadcopter showing reality.  Quite funny.

Can you post photo here?

I can't access stalkerzone.org at all from any browser, gets redirected to Google homepage (not suspicious at all)

Ah yes, what I call "Belgrade School of Crowd Filming" (trademark pending)

Overhead shot, one and only benchmark, now and always

To be fair if it was a verbal conversation in a pub you could excuse people for not knowing what had been said but if you are interested enough in a thread to post a reply it makes sense to read through the thread to find what has already been discussed.

I don't think anyone did anything wrong as such, it was more the way things were said and past tensions released.

Thank you for apologising Mike... a mature thing to do.

Can I add that for decades I have been flitting from usergroup to usergroup... and finding western people who think everything the BBC and CNN say about Russia is true... all the stereo types are true, and I think more than 80% of my time is correcting the same BS over and over... and you do get sick of it.

Vlad told be he had a similar experience which is why he created this site.

When I first came here I was just a member so I didn't have any control or power... in fact a few times I pissed Vlad off with my excessive optimism and pro Putin stance... neither of which sat well with him.

We both agree that having all pro Putin pro Russia anti west members would make the chat a little boring... which is what this forum is about... I see it as a place where like minded people can get together and share information and opinions on topics we are interested in.

In the 1980s I was alone... none of the people I knew could care less about military weapons let alone Soviet ones. Sources were difficult to come by and were of course filtered through western experts who applied their spin to any news or piece of information.

Now we have the Kalashnikov website... the only problem is that it is oriented to sell to Russian citizens in Russia, but it is progress... if I keep pestering them I am sure they will come around....

Anyway sorry for this rant, but even if you don't agree on somethings at least appreciate members seem to be able to think for themselves and if you are upset because someone doesn't change their world view the instant you put forward a reasoned argument to show they are wrong then you just learned a bit about human beings. Some people are happy with their world view and who are you to burst it. I am an athiest but I don't actively try to convert anyone... I think going through life thinking there is something called heaven where everyone you know and love will be waiting for you when you die or if you go first will catch up to you when they die is kinda nice and comforting. I think the concept of hell is rather unnecessary... if it was my religion I would get rid of that bit... if you don't want to join that is fine, I wouldn't threaten people with eternal damnation if they don't agree to believe because if one family member does not believe doesn't that mean heaven wont be so good for their loved ones when they don't go to heaven... isn't that punishing believers for not converting everyone they love?

I'll shut up now.

This troll has been posting consistently tendentious garbage.  He does not actually participate
in any debate just spews western propaganda.

If his purpose is to fill this forum with propaganda but does not try to defend what he posts with arguments does that not suggest perhaps your original diagnosis might be wrong.

Most forums I have been on there are posters who will post things that end up getting ripped to pieces by the local lions.

They don't know enough about the topic to have an opinion and if they didn't post it here they might just assume it is accurate.

In a sense they are abusing our knowledge and experience with such propaganda, but maybe they are quiet because they just learned something new that the BBC or CNN didn't want them to know because they sure as hell would not include such information in their broadcasts.

By attacking the person posting you are more likely to stop such things being posted at all for fear of being called a troll and I for one find it interesting the current spin they put on things because it is actually very revealing... mostly what they don't say.

The west has recently accused Russia on spying on their attempts to develop a vaccine... but we have seen articles on RT showing the Russian vaccine is coming along nicely and with very good results... don't you agree such western propaganda is preparation for when Russia has a vaccine and the US or UK does not. Information about vaccines and Covid 19 are supposed to be being shared so why on earth would spying become important... unless you are like the US that wants to horde vaccines and give selective access to different countries...

When the Skripals got sick we were told it was highly likely it was Putin,  which means the US and UK routinely murder their enemies using drones or drugs or chemicals or what ever comes to hand so of course they would believe Russia would do the same... it just shows the guilt of the west when they make the highly likely claims because the people of the west accept highly likely because they know their own governments would do the same in Russia in a heart beat.

In fact Iranian generals and Iraqi leaders and Libyan leaders and leaders around the world know at their cost that the west will murder them in cold blood the first chance they get and if not directly then by proxy.

Posting these stories means I don't need to waste my time looking at the CNN or BBC websites...  think of it as a warning of what we are against... not the west itself, but the leadership of the west and the 1% that controls them.  Total bastards.

@miketheterrible

Vlad is dealing with much bigger problems now than some economic nonsense so let it go

just a note GarryB: Vlad fell victim to the propaganda. He parroted whatever the west said about Russias economy and actually thought GDP Nominal matters and PPP doesn't even though Russia doesnt use USD in Russia.

When the world economy is western dominated and important features are directly controlled by western power, then talking about the Russian economy is complicated... if the US had the reserves and fiscal discipline that Russia has it would have an  AAA+++ rating.

I think most economics stuff at an international level is bollocks anyway...

So parading blood libel on this forum and expecting to be treated with respect is asking way too much.

Sometimes feelings and beliefs become polarising... criticising a Russian Patriot who served in the elite part of the VDV because his view of the financial situation in Russia is different from your view is certainly not something I agree with at all, and I strongly suggest we drop the subject.

Differring views are fine but there are lines that wont be crossed.

The west will claim to be against all sorts of evil... communism, nazim, racism, terrorism, but they are happy to get in to bed with anyone if it suits their current needs and interests... and in that regard I think they are the worst of them all, but I am not going to ban people who don't agree with me, and I also wont tolerate abuse for not agreeing with this or that view.

I am going to lock this thread for a a couple of days... to prevent bans...