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    Yushchenko declares will run for 2nd term as Ukraine's president: Bad News!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:23 pm

    Bad news:


    Yushchenko declares will run for 2nd term as Ukraine's president
    RIA Novosti

    18/07/200912:18

    KIEV, July 18 (RIA Novosti) - Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko announced on Saturday he will run for a second term in elections scheduled for January 2010.

    "I want to officially announce that I will run in the elections for president of Ukraine," Yushchenko said.

    Although he is polling in the low single-digits, the president said he had no doubt he would win.

    "You and I will win, like in 2004," Yushchenko told supporters before climbing Mount Goverla as part of events to mark the anniversary of Ukraine declaring its sovereignty.

    The election campaign is due to start in mid-September, although it could be shortened, and the polling date set for 17 January, 2010. Surveys show the front-runner is Party of Regions leader Viktor Yanukovych with about 25% support, while Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko is on 15%.

    Yanukovych was declared winner of the 2004 presidential poll but the result was overturned as rigged following the protests of the so-called Orange Revolution. Yushchenko won the rerun of the vote and named Tymoshenko his prime minister, although the two have since become bitter rivals.

    Tymoshenko said last month that Yushchenko could not win reelection even if she and her party supported him.



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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:00 am

    Yuschenko has a popularity of 3% in his country, I doubt he will win another election, and if he did, the results would have been rigged. Either the hot woman or Yanokovich will win, and Ukraine will go back to a Pro-Russian ally.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Turk1 on Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:42 am

    sepheronx wrote:Yuschenko has a popularity of 3% in his country, I doubt he will win another election, and if he did, the results would have been rigged. Either the hot woman or Yanokovich will win, and Ukraine will go back to a Pro-Russian ally.

    What hot woman?
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    Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:15 am

    Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 6 Issue: 156
    August 13, 2009 12:01 PM Age: 8 hrs
    Category: Eurasia Daily Monitor, Home Page, Ukraine, Russia, Foreign Policy, Military/Security, Energy, Domestic/Social, Featured
    By: Pavel Felgenhauer

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev during the recording of an address for his personal Internet site, Aug. 11, 2009.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has publicly attacked his Ukrainian counterpart Victor Yushchenko and called his administration's policies deliberately anti-Russian. In an open letter and in a video posting on his official Kremlin blog, Medvedev accused Ukraine of supporting "barbaric attacks" by the pro-Western regime of President Mikheil Saakashvili during the Russian invasion of Georgia in August of last year. Medvedev alleged that "civilians and Russian peacekeepers were killed by Ukrainian weapons," while Kyiv is continuing to supply the Georgian military with more arms and "shares responsibility for the crimes committed." Medvedev accused the Ukrainian leadership of conspiring with the E.U. on natural gas trade issues against Russian interests, blocking the activities of its Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, suppressing the use of the Russian language and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church element that is subordinate to Moscow. Medvedev castigated Ukraine for aspiring to join NATO, "falsifying history" by emphasizing the crimes of totalitarian communist rule, and promoting nationalist leaders that collaborated with the Nazis as well as disrupting economic ties (www.kremlin.ru, August 11).

    Medvedev expressed his disgust with Ukraine in a highly aggressive tone, implying that the Kremlin is fed up in dealing with Kyiv. Tension between Russia and Ukraine, according to Medvedev, is very high. A number of recent tit-for-tat diplomatic expulsions were described as outrageous. After listing the negative Ukrainian actions, Medvedev announced that Moscow will not send the newly appointed Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov to Kyiv until Ukrainian policies change, in effect downgrading diplomatic relations. Medvedev emphasized that the Kremlin's disgust is not against "brotherly Ukrainian people," but Yushchenko and his government. Commentators in Moscow believe that the Kremlin will refuse to have any dealings with Kyiv until there is regime change and Yushchenko is ousted. The Russian policy in dealing with Yushchenko seems to be in essence the same as with Saakashvili. The hope apparently is that the coming Ukrainian presidential election on January 17, 2010 will oust Yushchenko and a pro-Moscow administration will be elected (Kommersant, August 12).

    Last year Moscow announced that it had invaded Georgia to defend Russian citizens. Ukraine has the largest Russian and Russian-speaking population outside of Russia itself. Soon after the Russo-Georgian war, the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner suggested that Russia might next move against Ukraine or Moldova under the same pretext (Reuters, August 27, 2008). The former Ukrainian ambassador in Washington Yuri Sherbak believes that Moscow might be contemplating a possible invasion of Ukraine to partition its territory, arguing that Ukraine is a "failed and ungovernable state" (www.newsru.com, May 21).

    After Medvedev's anti-Yushchenko broadside, the leader of the Eurasia Movement (a Kremlin-connected nationalist think tank) Alexander Dugin told reporters, "The downgrading of diplomatic relations has created a pre-war situation," and that, "Russia is preparing to cease to recognize Ukrainian territorial integrity, as it did with Georgia. An armed conflict may soon begin in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine that will result in these territories becoming a Russian protectorate." According to Dugin, "war has been declared not against Ukraine, but America," that is attacking Russian influence within the post-Soviet space. Yushchenko is not important, stated Dugin, "a sick blister" while the real foe is the United States (RIA Novi Region, August 11).

    The Kremlin insists its conflict is with the regimes in Kyiv and Tbilisi, but not with "our longtime Orthodox brothers" - the people of Georgia and Ukraine. A recent public opinion poll by the independent Levada Center showed a strong dislike of Ukraine, with 47 percent of the population having a negative attitude and 44 percent - positive, while Georgia scores even worse with 63 percent negative and 25 percent positive. The U.S. scored slightly better with 40 percent negative and 47 percent positive. The pollsters believe that these public attitudes are the direct result of state policies and propaganda (Kommersant, August 12).

    Medvedev has introduced legislation this week to legalize the use of Russian forces abroad "to defend Russian soldiers and citizens, fight piracy and defend foreign nations against threats." Medvedev announced during a meeting with leaders of parliament that the legislation is connected with the Georgia war, "so that in the future these questions will be clearly regulated." Duma leaders promised to pass the amendments as soon as possible (www.kremlin.ru, August 10). Medvedev in effect acknowledged that the invasion of Georgia was illegal. Under present legislation, Russia did not have the legal right to invade Georgia, since its territorial integrity was not under threat and it did not have any defense treaties with South Ossetia or Abkhazia. The upper house of parliament did not decide to send troops into battle within Georgia, as the constitution demands (Kommersant, August 11).

    The legislation that may legalize a possible future invasion of Crimea "to defend Russian soldiers and citizens" could be passed soon and Medvedev's rhetoric sounds warlike, but the Russian military at present is clearly not ready to take on an offensive "liberation" campaign deep within Ukraine. The Ukrainian armed forces are ineffective, but the territory of the possible theater of conflict is vast and densely populated, requiring a massive deployment of well-prepared troops. Russia needs at least three more years of radical military modernization and some rearmament, before it may contemplate a Crimea and Ukraine mission. Now a new bitter gas war with Kyiv is on the horizon, which might once more cut supplies to Europe. While further Russian attempts to influence domestic politics in Ukraine continue, the military threat will linger in the background.

    Didn't they say the same thing before the war with Georgia?  And Russia just crushed the enemy in a matter of day's?

    Yaaahh.  BS articles from so-called writers.

    Edit: Ah yes, look at the bold part.  Of course this article is full of crap.  Pavel is a military genius like I am a porn star.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:42 am

    That Pavel is a real clown. How can the action in Georgia be illegal when they opened fire on Russian peacekeepers who were there under the JCC signed by the Georgian president? How can it be illegal to defend your citizens? How can it be illegal to go to war when you are stopping genocide of your own people?
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:27 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    Didn't they say the same thing before the war with Georgia? And Russia just crushed the enemy in a matter of day's?

    Yaaahh. BS articles from so-called writers.

    Edit: Ah yes, look at the bold part. Of course this article is full of crap. Pavel is a military genius like I am a porn star.

    Taking over the Russian part of Ukraine would be easy, including Crimea. The only real threat is their air defence systems. Considering we built them, it shouldn't be too hard to know their weakness.
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    Ukraine Party Seeks Nuclear Weapons!

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:29 pm

    Nationalists want to bring back the nuclear status of Ukraine
    14.08.2009

    Crimean People's Rukh of Ukraine party, the Ukrainian People's Party, the party Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, IN Liberty, and the party's Cathedral in favor of the return of nuclear status of Ukraine in connection with the appeal of President of Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev of Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko. This is stated in the treatment of party organizations to Victor Yushchenko, Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko, Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Lytvyn, parties and social organizations, which quotes the channel "1 +1".

    The document states that an ultimatum a statement by D. Medvedev is the cynical unleashing of another range of the cold war. The parties note that the ultimatum D. Medvedev appeared on the following day after he announced the introduction of the State Duma of Russia on the use of bills of Russian forces abroad. The document states that the Ukrainians challenged, and they need to be ready to defend themselves. Party demanded the immediate reopening of nuclear status of Ukraine.

    "Former" nuclear states do not happen. Until the end of the year should be mounted and placed on ground alert 15-20 tactical nuclear (uranium and plutonium) warheads for medium-range missiles, "- says to use.

    Also in the paper notes the need to increase financing for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and to enhance their alertness, withdrawal of Ukraine to Russia for consultations, the withdrawal of Ukraine from the Commonwealth of Independent States and the closure of airspace for military aircraft in Russia. The parties are asked to prohibit the exercise of armed forces of Russia on the territory of Ukraine and Russian military movements outside their places of deployment.

    Recall, D. Medvedev sent a message to President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko, which provided an assessment of the current Russian-Ukrainian relations and their prospects and said that had decided to postpone the arrival of a new ambassador to Ukraine in connection with the "anti-rate" the Ukrainian authorities.

    Recall also that the head of the Presidential Secretariat Vera Ulyanchenko, commenting on the message, said that the Russian leadership for political reasons is ready to destroy the atmosphere of friendship between Ukraine and Russia.

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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:20 pm

    Blatantly obvious, Ukraine's Orange party has funds flowing in from the US. So Ukraine has a one track mind (at least the government) and in gaining nuclear weapons, would mean that it is a national security threat against Russia (as Ukraine's current leadership shows how they like to do business). So stopping the threat before it escalates is the best thing. Even if sanctions are placed against Russia, it will hurt Russia very little compared to if they let Ukraine get nukes.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:32 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    Didn't they say the same thing before the war with Georgia? And Russia just crushed the enemy in a matter of day's?

    Yaaahh. BS articles from so-called writers.

    Edit: Ah yes, look at the bold part. Of course this article is full of crap. Pavel is a military genius like I am a porn star.

    Taking over the Russian part of Ukraine would be easy, including Crimea. The only real threat is their air defence systems. Considering we built them, it shouldn't be too hard to know their weakness.

    I know a simple way (the US way), cruise missile their defenses to shit, and bam, the sky is clear.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Russian Patriot on Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:26 am

    Turk1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Yuschenko has a popularity of 3% in his country, I doubt he will win another election, and if he did, the results would have been rigged. Either the hot woman or Yanokovich will win, and Ukraine will go back to a Pro-Russian ally.

    What hot woman?
    Tymshenko, and can you be apporiate ever Turk? lol
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Turk1 on Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:06 am

    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Tymshenko, and can you be apporiate ever Turk? lol

    Tymoshenko lost her sexy hairstyle, now not so hot. Her daughter is another matter.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  soldieroffortune on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:19 am

    Turk1 wrote:
    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Tymshenko, and can you be apporiate ever Turk? lol

    Tymoshenko lost her sexy hairstyle, now not so hot. Her daughter is another matter.

    her daughter Yevhenia (who is very attractive indeed) is married to Sean Carr, a former cobbler and heavy metal musician from Leeds, UK, who was divorced by his ex-wife because of his abuse of her. Poor Yevhenia.

    Photos of Yevhenia and her husband can be found here:

    http://mishasrussiablog.blogspot.com/2008/07/yulia-tymoshenkos-beautiful-daughter.html

    More on Sean Carr's background:

    "Yevgenia has lived in Britain since the age of 14 and is in the process of completing her studies at the London School of Economics. She met her new husband in Egypt during a holiday last year.

    Carr's background is rather different from his new wife's.

    He sings in a band called the Death Valley Screamers and rides a Harley Davidson motorbike.

    Carr also owns a rottweiler called Salem and sports a giant tattoo on his stomach of an alien "escaping".

    His band plays in Kiev's local bars and its first CD release in Ukraine appears to be selling well.

    He also has a young daughter by a former partner who said in a British tabloid newspaper that Carr regularly beat her up and in 2002 broke her teeth, upper jaw and collarbone."

    http://blog.kievukraine.info/2005/10/princess-and-heavy-metal-musician-real.html



    Poor Yulia Tymoshenko ... the woman who supposedly could get anything, failed to get a decent husband for her only daughter.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:22 am

    soldieroffortune wrote:
    Turk1 wrote:
    Russian Patriot wrote:
    Tymshenko, and can you be apporiate ever Turk? lol

    Tymoshenko lost her sexy hairstyle, now not so hot. Her daughter is another matter.

    her daughter Yevhenia (who is very attractive indeed) is married to Sean Carr, a former cobbler and heavy metal musician from Leeds, UK, who was divorced by his ex-wife because of his abuse of her. Poor Yevhenia.

    Photos of Yevhenia and her husband can be found here:

    http://mishasrussiablog.blogspot.com/2008/07/yulia-tymoshenkos-beautiful-daughter.html

    More on Sean Carr's background:

    "Yevgenia has lived in Britain since the age of 14 and is in the process of completing her studies at the London School of Economics. She met her new husband in Egypt during a holiday last year.

    Carr's background is rather different from his new wife's.

    He sings in a band called the Death Valley Screamers and rides a Harley Davidson motorbike.

    Carr also owns a rottweiler called Salem and sports a giant tattoo on his stomach of an alien "escaping".

    His band plays in Kiev's local bars and its first CD release in Ukraine appears to be selling well.

    He also has a young daughter by a former partner who said in a British tabloid newspaper that Carr regularly beat her up and in 2002 broke her teeth, upper jaw and collarbone."

    http://blog.kievukraine.info/2005/10/princess-and-heavy-metal-musician-real.html



    Poor Yulia Tymoshenko ... the woman who supposedly could get anything, failed to get a decent husband for her only daughter.

    But she is a typical woman....wants to marry in wealth.

    As for Yuschenko, he is a criminal and does not want good for Ukraine. Even if he runs, he will not win. If he does win, then it shows there is a broken and corrupted system.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  soldieroffortune on Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:42 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    But she is a typical woman....wants to marry in wealth.

    As for Yuschenko, he is a criminal and does not want good for Ukraine. Even if he runs, he will not win. If he does win, then it shows there is a broken and corrupted system.

    In this case, it was Sean Carr who acted as a typical woman, for it was him who married wealth. Still I'm impressed that you know women so well, as well as the political situation in Ukraine.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:02 am

    soldieroffortune wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    But she is a typical woman....wants to marry in wealth.

    As for Yuschenko, he is a criminal and does not want good for Ukraine. Even if he runs, he will not win. If he does win, then it shows there is a broken and corrupted system.

    In this case, it was Sean Carr who acted as a typical woman, for it was him who married wealth. Still I'm impressed that you know women so well, as well as the political situation in Ukraine.

    Its a basic instinct that most women have (the more powerful the guy is, the more likely women are over him) and because this guy is a singer, most likely he has a lot of wealth.

    And Yuschenko's popularity is 3%, if he wins elections next time, then you and I both know what the real situation is. Don't kid yourself.
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    Post  Turk1 on Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:21 pm

    It is a shame... beautiful woman should not be mistreated.
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    UK illegally moving weapons for Ukraine?

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:41 pm

    British Parliament is investigating the facts the sale of Ukrainian weapons to hot spots
    24/08/2009

    British Parliamentary Committee for Control over arms exports published a report alleging that British intermediaries may resold weapons purchased in Ukraine, the countries covered by the embargo.

    In the report the Committee expressed concern over the fact that the British Foreign Office knew nothing about the sale of Ukrainian weapons to British intermediary firms, although this information was readily available. He called on the British diplomatic representation in the arms-exporting countries to cooperate more closely with local export control in order to obtain information about British companies that receive licenses to sell weapons, wrote NEWSru.ua with reference to the DW-World.de.

    British Foreign Secretary David Miliband ordered an investigation on possible transactions. MPs call for tighter restrictions on arms exports, reports BBC.

    According to committee members, they can easily have a list of companies in May in Kiev by Deputy Foreign Minister Oleksandr Horin. The list does not indicate whether the weapon directly exported from Ukraine to customers, or transported across the UK. Also, do not indicate the cost of transactions and the type of weapons. But MPs expressed concern that former Soviet weapons is in the "undesirable hands".

    Miliband wrote to MPs that the investigation began, but asked them not to publish details of Ukrainian list because "the company can learn about the investigation, and this will mean that those who committed the crime, attempt to cover up the traces."

    Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee, Roger Berry says: "This problem affects us all. The world must work to ensure that weapons do not fall into unwanted hands. It is obvious that the country where arms are exported - either a British, or Ukraine - have for a separate responsibility. They should ensure that exporters were controlled by licenses.

    "Affected us the issue is not about whether they adhered to the British merchants of Ukrainian laws. We believe that they should have. The question is, to control, so they do not act contrary to British law," - says Berry.

    Asked BBC, is not whether this incident to use Ukrainian opposition in politics or the election campaign, Berry said: "I do not think our questions regarding what they do or do not make the British company, can create problems. I would be very surprised . We do not warn about the activities of the Ukrainian government. This is a purely British affair. "

    According to Berry, the committee in no way accuses Ukraine, but rather draws the attention of the British Government on the need for better control: "The view of the committee is that Britain must demand compliance with their export criteria to enhance their own control over the weapon."

    The scandal over the illegal flow of arms has recently begun in Sweden: a country called for explanations from Venezuela after it became known that the Swedish-made weapons found in the hands of the Left extremist rebel group Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia "(FARC).

    Minister of Internal Affairs of Venezuela, called the claim of Sweden next attack on the country. He denied accusations that Venezuela has sold weapons to Colombia, and said that the country is not cooperating with the terrorists.

    And in June, media reported on the alleged illegal supply of weapons from Ukraine to Africa, after Nigeria's government detained the Ukrainian aircraft that delivered weapons to Equatorial Guinea. According Ukrspetsexport, military cargo located in this plane belongs to Croatia.

    In September 2008, Somali pirates in Gulf of Aden was seized Ukrainian cargo ship Faina with military equipment on board, bound for Kenya. In particular, on board are 33 T-72 tanks, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft guns and ammunition. Kenyan leadership has stated that the weapons were intended for the Government of Kenya. At the same time, international security experts said that, judging by many indications, weapons headed for Southern Sudan, where civil war, and Kenya allegedly brokered.

    In 2004, the international human rights organization Amnesty International accused Russia of selling weapons to Sudan, where there is a brutal ethnic war in Darfur. But Russia's party has denied the accusations. Meanwhile, in 2008 it was reported that Russia has supplied Sudan 12 armed MiG-29. Earlier, the UN banned arms supplies to the province. According to some reports, the official Khartoum violated the international embargo.

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    China may become a guarantor of Ukrainian security

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:46 pm

    Experts: China may become a guarantor of Ukrainian security

    October 3, 2009 09:34

    China may soon become a key partner of Ukraine in the system upgrade weapons, but in the long term - and the guarantor of Ukrainian security. This was stated Director of Research Army, Conversion and Disarmament Valentin BADRAK and chief editor of Defense Express Sergei ZHURETS.

    Experts believe that Ukraine still has much to offer China in terms of technology. Also, the territorial aspirations of the Chinese in the Far East may well encourage them to actively strengthen Ukraine as an anti-Russia center of influence on the Western Front.

    The basis for the Ukrainian-Chinese cooperation in the field of security may be close cooperation in the field of armaments, experts are assured.

    BADRAK and ZHURETS suggest that key areas of possible military-technical cooperation between Ukraine and China could be upgrading defense systems and the creation of operational-tactical missile complexes.

    http://glavnoe.ua/news/n34205
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    Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:18 pm

    Ukraine's political cat-fight leaves voters cold  


    Mr Yushchenko is standing for re-election, but his support has evaporated


    On 17 January, Ukrainians will vote in the first presidential election since the Orange Revolution, which raised hopes of lasting change. But five years on, the names on the ballot papers are largely the same, and the prevailing mood is one of disillusionment, says the BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse.

    On a wintry afternoon in November, on the anniversary of the start of the Orange Revolution, President Viktor Yushchenko addressed a packed hall just a few hundred yards from Independence Square, the epicentre of the protests which brought him to power. He was trying hard to rally the crowd.

    The revolution was a dream, he said - a dream of a Ukraine free from Russian influence; a Ukraine ruled not by a handful of corrupt oligarchs, but by the people themselves, dreaming of a better life.

    Mr Yushchenko is standing for re-election in January. But his support has evaporated, and opinion polls suggest he has almost no chance of winning.

    For many, in the past five years, things have got worse, not better
    The financial crisis has hit Ukraine hard. Some banks have collapsed and it is not uncommon to see people queuing up outside their branches in the hope of compensation.

    What most people worry about here are not rather abstract notions of relations with Moscow or membership of Nato. Their main concern is the economy. And for many, in the past five years, things have got worse, not better.

    "We were hoping that at last we would be independent," said one woman in her mid-60s wearing a headscarf, standing in line outside a bank.

    "Finally we thought we would get closer to Europe, to the standards of living there. But it turned out to be nothing but lies."

    Another pensioner agreed: "These elections will change nothing. We need a strong leader, because everywhere you turn there's nothing but corruption, corruption and corruption."

    Old power structures

    On the main thoroughfare leading into Independence Square there are a few people handing out leaflets to a mostly indifferent public.



    Olexiy Tolkachev
    Five years ago this street was packed with hundreds of thousands of protestors, chanting slogans, braving the winter cold.

    They believed that their presence could make a difference.

    Olexiy Tolkachev was among them, a young activist who was involved in organising the demonstrations. Today, his mood is one of deep disappointment.

    "After the Orange Revolution the problem was, Yushchenko became the president, but society, all the people from Maidan [Independence Square] they went home," he says.

    Mr Tolkachev says Ukraine's new leaders have not been held to account and that while the names and the faces of those in government changed, the power structures did not.

    "We didn't change the system, and Yushchenko became a part of the old system in Ukraine."

    There are many who, like Mr Tolkachev, believe that all the major candidates in this election would merely perpetuate the current status quo. There is, though, a possible alternative.

     
    We've had enough of being made fools of. All they do is make promises and promises, for years on end

    Vasyl Protyvsikh
    He is a pensioner from western Ukraine, and he recently changed his name.

    In Ukrainian, "proty vsikh" means "against everyone" and, standing on a street corner, he is hoping that his unusual surname will appeal to the disillusioned masses.

    "Every soldier should have a dream to become a general," he says.

    "I can see how people are becoming more and more frustrated with those in power. We can't stand this any more! We've had enough of being made fools of. All they do is make promises and promises, for years on end."

    It is a nice dream, but Mr Protyvsikh does not really stand a chance.

    Russian return

    One of the front-runners for 2010 is Viktor Yanukovych, the man whom Russia backed five years ago, and who eventually turned out the loser in the Orange Revolution.



    Viktor Yanukovych's victory in 2004 was short-lived
    Today, he is trying hard to shed the image of being "Moscow's man".

    At a meeting with international businessmen at the US Chamber of Commerce, he told the BBC that much had changed since 2004.

    "I remain committed to a balanced policy, which will protect our national interests both on our eastern border - I mean with Russia - and of course with the European Union," he said.

    "Ukraine's integration with the EU remains our strategic aim."

    His nearest rival is another familiar face - Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

    Back in 2004, she was firmly in the Orange camp. With her trademark braids and fiery rhetoric, she was a fierce critic of Russian involvement in Ukraine. Now, though, things have changed

    At a recent meeting on the thorny subject of the gas trade between Russia and Ukraine, the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, said Ms Tymoshenko was a woman he could do business with.



    Yulia Tymoshenko used to be a fierce critic of Russian involvement in Ukraine
    "We are happy working with the government of Yulia Tymoshenko," he announced. "In the time we have worked together, our relations have been strengthened and become more stable."

    That is probably as close as anyone is going to get to his endorsement.

    Today on Independence Square, you can hardly tell there is an election coming up. There are no rallies, no tents, and certainly no crowds of protestors.

    The events of the winter of 2004 seem like a very distant memory indeed.

    And with both the front-runners in this presidential contest apparently acceptable to Moscow, some might be forgiven for thinking that, five years on, the Kremlin was having the last laugh.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8391317.stm
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    Opposition Casts Doubt On Ukraine Elections

    Post  Jelena on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:58 pm

    Opposition Casts Doubt On Ukraine Elections


    5:15pm UK, Wednesday February 10, 2010

    Roddy Mansfield, Sky News Online

    Ukraine's presidential elections have been marred by "violations" which cast doubt on the results, according to the opposition.

    Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has refused to acknowledge defeat and her rival is calling on her to resign.

    Mrs Tymoshenko's deputy prime minister has fiercely contested the official result.

    "Falsifications took place which had a substantial impact on the results and put in doubt the outcome of the vote," Olexander Turchynov said.

    His comments are the highest-level reaction from Mrs Tymoshenko's camp since the results were announced.

    But president elect Viktor Yanukovich has retaliated, demanding she resign as prime minister.

    "I officially turn to the prime minister and call on her to resign and cross to the opposition," Mr Yanukovich said.

    Mrs Tymoshenko was instrumental in leading protests against the election results six years ago.

    Mr Yanukovich won the presidency in 2004 only to have it removed from him by court order after claims the ballot was rigged.
    The protests culminated in demonstrators taking to the streets, large-scale strikes and sit-ins.

    The movement to oust Mr Yanukovich became known as the Orange Revolution.

    Pro-westerner Viktor Yuschenko eventually seized the presidency after a re-run of the ballot.

    Now Mr Yanukovich's victory in Sunday's poll could tilt Ukraine politically back toward Russia.

    "The priority for us is the relations with Russia, CIS," Mr Yanukovich said.

    "Our countries are tightly linked by economy, culture and history. Our industries complete each other. We must use these advantages in favour of our nations."

    His statement came within hours of the Central Election Commission announcing it had completed the vote count, giving him a 3.48% win over his rival.

    Mrs Tymoshenko announced her party would seek a recount in parts of east Ukraine where she claims Yanukovich stole votes.
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Ukraine-Presidential-Election-Oppositions-Olexander-Turchynov-Casts-Doubt-On-Poll-Results/Article/201002215546207?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15546207_Ukraine_Presidential_Election%3A_Oppositions_Olexander_Turchynov_Casts_Doubt_On_Poll_Results


    Supporters of presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovich attend a rally in front of Ukraine's central electoral commission in Kiev February 10, 2010. Yanukovich, opposition leader who won Sunday's presidential election, said Ukraine needed financial help from both the East and the West and should renegotiate its debts.


    A man takes a photo of a screen with preliminary results of presidential run-off vote at Ukraine's central election commission headquarters in Kiev February 10, 2010. Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yanukovich scored 48.95 percent in Sunday's election, 3.48 percent ahead of his rival Yulia Tymoshenko with 45.47 percent, results showed after 100 percent of the vote was counted.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Jelena on Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:02 pm

    It's very interesting to follow this situation in Ukraine hmmmmmmmm Neutral
    Another 'Orange Revolution' is expected?!?


    Ukrainian presidential vote result suspended over court case


    15:5517/02/2010

    Ukraine's Supreme Administrative Court on Wednesday suspended the Central Electoral Commission's official announcement that Viktor Yanukovych had won the country's presidential elections pending consideration of a lawsuit.

    Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko appealed on Tuesday against Yanukovych's victory in the runoff vote on February 7, which she lost by 3.48%.

    Ukraine's highest court, which represents Tymoshenko's last chance to overturn the results of the election, is expected to rule on the suit within two days.

    The Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc (BYT) will push to cancel Yanukovych's inauguration, First Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Turchynov said Wednesday.

    The Ukrainian parliament voted on Tuesday to hold Yanukovych's inauguration on February 25.

    "Later today, a draft resolution will be submitted to the Supreme Rada from our [BYT] faction deputies revoking the Supreme Rada's decision to conduct the inauguration on February 25," Turchynov said.

    Tymoshenko Bloc deputies earlier told a parliament session that because the 2010 budget had not been adopted, there were no funds for the inauguration ceremony.

    The prime minister has refused to concede defeat in the runoff vote, accusing her rival's camp of fraud. International monitors said the election was fair and Yanukovych has been congratulated by governments around the world, including Russia and the United States.

    The congratulations for Yanukovych were arriving even before the Central Election Commission officially announced the results on Sunday, sending a strong signal to Tymoshenko, a leader of the "orange" street protests that overturned Yanukovych's tainted election victory in 2004.

    Yanukovych's Party of Regions, which has urged Tymoshenko to resign as prime minister, dismissed threats to contest the election results as attempts to delay the February 25 presidential inauguration. The party is in talks with other political groups to create a new coalition in the parliament.

    KIEV, February 17 (RIA Novosti)
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:24 pm

    There is no dispute to be made. Even the Western observers declared it a well run election.

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    2014 Kiev Coup: Facts

    Post  IR5 on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:14 pm

    Misinformation claiming that the coup in Kiev was no coup's intense. May therefore be relevant to recall how the coup actually happened. After the Yanukovych signed the compromise February 21 that went out on constitutional reform and the presidential election in the autumn he went to Kharkiv to take part in a meeting of regional leaders.

    s soon Yanukovych left Kiev took the fighters in the Right Sector of parliamentary and government buildings, which were previously protected by the police. Part of the agreement was that all the armed forces would be withdrawn from the center of Kiev. Something that Yanukovych but not coup men respected. On February 22, called coup men Parliament (Rada) to an extraordinary meeting of the Voting on the proposal to initiate an impeachment process against Yanukovych. The MPs who went there were met by a mob surrounded the building. Reuters photographer Vasily Fedosenko took a picture that has already become a classic:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/protesters-attack-government-deputy-they-take-kiev-n36156

    The picture shows the Honourable Vitaly Grushevsky from Yanukovych party attacked with punches and kicks when he tries to enter the building.
    The inputs to the Parliament was guarded addition of flåbusar from the Right Sector. Al Jazeera had a picture of this in his report of February 23:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/02/tumultuous-saturday-kiev-20142239515344140.html

    The text of the building is "Verkhovna Rada Ykraini", that the Parliament of Ukraine. That the armed "flåbusarna" belonging Right Sector is shown by the black / red flag. It is not surprising that over 100 members stayed away from the vote, and many members of Yanukovych party chose to vote with coup men. With threats and pressure will get you far.

    Then there was the deposition also unconstitutional. When the coup officers appointed Turchynov to President February 23 invoked the Article 112 of the Ukrainian Constitution, which gives Parliament the right to appoint an interim president, but only if the elected president died, voluntarily resigned, been removed by impeachment or due to illness can not perform his Prosecutor: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/30130.html

    The truth was that Yanukovych was still in Kharkiv, and he had shortly before in a televised speech declared that he did not resigned:
    In a television interview shortly beforehand, which the station said was conducted in the eastern city of Kharkiv, Yanukovich said he would not resign or leave the country, and called decisions by parliament "illegal".

    "The events witnessed by our country and the whole world are an example of a coup d'etat," he said, comparing it to the rise of the Nazis to power in Germany in the 1930s.

    He said he had come under fire. "My car was shot at. I am not afraid. I feel sorrow for my country," he told UBR television."
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:11 pm

    I still say parachute this fat fk over Maidan sq.
    Useful coward of a leader that through lack of prompt action, condemned his own nation to the fate of having to live under their own stupidity.
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    Re: Ukraine Politics Thread:

    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:13 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I still say parachute this fat fk over Maidan sq.
    Useful coward of a leader that through lack of prompt action, condemned his own nation to the fate of having to live under their own stupidity.

    Indeed.  Yanukovich had full authority to clean out the 10,000 armed militants who took over the Maidan in Jan-Feb 2014.   The original
    civil protestors had all gone home by then.    Yet Yanukovich was treating these militants as if they were civil protestors.

    But we do not have the full picture.   The coup was not organized on the Maidan.   That was just useful theater.   The real
    coup was all of the Orange assets installed after 2004 moving in tune.   So vital functions of government were paralyzed and
    compromised.    Yanukovich should have launched a full scale purge in 2010 right after his election.    That would have been
    the perfect time since he was at the peak of his legitimacy (even the OSCE pronounced his election free and fair).

    But Yanukovich was trying to play both Russia and NATO and ended up playing himself.   What a loser.   It seems that
    Lukashenko is a similar species of idiot.

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