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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:38 pm

    par far wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:worth reading

    Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/



    What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?
    Doubt that there are many if any in Syria now.

    But yes, you track them by their data traffic and voice signature, but most is digital now so pretty difficult.
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    Post  franco Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:01 pm

    Russian Air Defense in Syria

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/FgVAm2alYEk?rel=0&wmode=transparent
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    Post  eehnie Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:54 am

    lycantrop wrote:
    par far wrote:
    lycantrop wrote:worth reading

    Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/



    What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?

    I remember shortly after russia blow up CIA command centre near Aleppo (retaliation for killing 100 SAA + 7 russian sappers) russia came with statement:

    "We know where all your commend centres alre located", as a warning.

    So yes, I think russia has very good intel about whats going on on ground...

    Surely in the recent bombing campaign this kind of centers have been seriously attacked.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:34 am

    optimum situation for dealing with ISIS... like I've said for several years now... would be to have a very long endurance aircraft armed with a large number of glide bombs.

    you could have 1-2 of these on station, on call 24 hours in the sky. and simply drop ordnance on targets as intel comes in real time.


    the way daesh operates, they learnt the lessons of dealing with intense air bombardment and enemy air supremacy well. its a lesson they learned in 1991 and adjusted their operating procedures to deal with it.. (do remember the isis leadership is all ex-saddami military).

    so they always operate as 1-2 vehicle formations, only "joining" into larger groups at the point of attack... which they leave unclear until the last second. this way they can minimise the chance of being targeted.

    the TU-95s would need to fly out of Syria, fully loaded with fuel and cruise around the skies of ISIS land and pick off targets in real time... using cheap guided ordnance (GLONASS guided small bombs and rockets).

    iraqis began using their AN-32V in such a role as the F-16 / L-159 / SU-25 simply don't have the legs to hang around long enough to actually find something worthwhile to shoot at (except a few fixed targets which daesh try to keep minimal in size and spread around).
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:40 am

    Radio traffic alone... whether it is digital or analog, whether it is encrypted or coded in glaswegian , will locate and identify comms centres and HQs as being such.

    Locating bomb making factories and ammo storage locations would be harder to spot but with special forces operating behind enemy lines looking for targets for air power you will likely find they can detect all sorts of things to attack.

    Sometimes they will need to deal with targets and other times they will wait until a specific time to hit a target.

    For instance an enemy HQ is always a good target but if you spot several high ranking officials entering the building a strike makes more sense sooner rather than later.

    Conversely an ammo storage bunker can be hit just before the enemy is about to go on an offensive to hinder their ability to move and operate.
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    Post  franco Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:11 pm

    Two years of Russian support in Syria

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201709291057818987-russia-military-operation-syria-two-years/
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:38 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:optimum situation for dealing with ISIS... like I've said for several years now... would be to have a very long endurance aircraft armed with a large number of glide bombs.

    you could have 1-2 of these on station, on call 24 hours in the sky. and simply drop ordnance on targets as intel comes in real time.


    the way daesh operates, they learnt the lessons of dealing with intense air bombardment and enemy air supremacy well. its a lesson they learned in 1991 and adjusted their operating procedures to deal with it.. (do remember the isis leadership is all ex-saddami military).

    so they always operate as 1-2 vehicle formations, only "joining" into larger groups at the point of attack... which they leave unclear until the last second. this way they can minimise the chance of being targeted.

    the TU-95s would need to fly out of Syria, fully loaded with fuel and cruise around the skies of ISIS land and pick off targets in real time... using cheap guided ordnance (GLONASS guided small bombs and rockets).

    iraqis began using their AN-32V in such a role as the F-16 / L-159 / SU-25 simply don't have the legs to hang around long enough to actually find something worthwhile to shoot at (except a few fixed targets which daesh try to keep minimal in size and spread around).

    Meh. The whole place is only 100 km long. Mi-28N can locate and destroy pickup trucks using radars.
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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:04 am

    Russia deployed the second division of the S-400 surface-to-air missile system in Syria

    According to the magazine "Jane's Defense Weekly" in the article Sean O'Connor, Jeremy Binnie "Second Russian S-400 in Syria confirmed", publishing the space image made on July 2, 2017, in Syria, the Russian side deployed the second division of the S-400 surface-to-air missile system . According to the photo, the positions of the second Russian-deployed S-400 SAM in Syria are located 13 km northwest of the Syrian city of Masjaf (Hama province). According to the publication, the S-400 division was delivered there between April and July 2017.

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    Dated July 2, 2017 space image of the second deployed in Syria Russian division of the S-400 surface-to-air missile system in 13 km northwest of the Syrian city of Masjaf (Hama province) (c) CNES / Airbus Defense and Space (via Jane's)

    According to the publication, in November 2016, it was from this position that the Russian side launched the launches of 3M55 Onis missiles on the coastal mobile anti-ship missile system Bastion-P for ground targets in Syria. The "Bastion-P" complex, which was delivered to Syria, is also currently in this position, but all of its vehicles are housed in shelters. Earlier at this position, the S-200VE S-200VE air defense division was stationed in Syria.

    The first S-400 SAM battalion was delivered by the Russian side to Syria in late November 2015 and placed at the airbase of Khmeimim. Like the first division in Humeim, the new second division at Masjaf has a reduced composition of the fire battery, which includes only four self-propelled launchers 5P85SM2-01 on the old special wheeled chassis MZKT-543M. Also, each of the S-400 divisions deployed in Syria includes one 92N6 and 96L6 radar.

    In addition, according to the satellite image, at least one anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Pantsir-S" was deployed at the position of the S-400 SAM battalion at Masjaf. It should be noted that according to the information released by the recent 3-rd International Military Technical Forum "Army-2017", the "Pantsir-S" missile system "in the area of ​​Masjaf" was shot down on March 23, 2017, "on May 4, mini-UAV ", and on July 6 - UAV" type Heron ".

    In the publication "Jane's" it is noted that the position of the second deployed Syrian SAM battalion S-400 is on the coastal mountain range and allows, on the one hand, to provide a significant survey of the division's radar, and on the other hand to block the "shading" of the radar field provided by this ridge Division S-400 from Khmeimim.

    Also in the publication it is noted that, despite the presence of the S-400 SAM battalion at Masyaf, the Russian side did not prevent the Israeli Air Force from attacking Syrian targets in the area of ​​this city, inflicted on September 7.

    The photo published by the magazine is made by the SPOT satellite of the company Airbus Defense and Space (directly received by the French National Center for Space Research - Center National d'Etudes Spatiales - CNES).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2874698.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:40 pm

    One of the dead along with the General. He certainly looked like a Marine that you would want on your side. RIP

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    Russian marine colonel,wounded in same IS shelling that killed General Asapov, died of his wounds in Moscow hospital https://www.facebook.com/CITeam.org/posts/860534327432879 …

    https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/914446553267490818

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:57 pm

    George1 wrote:

       The first S-400 SAM battalion was delivered by the Russian side to Syria in late November 2015 and placed at the airbase of Khmeimim. Like the first division in Humeim, the new second division at Masjaf has a reduced composition of the fire battery, which includes only four self-propelled launchers 5P85SM2-01 on the old special wheeled chassis MZKT-543M. Also, each of the S-400 divisions deployed in Syria includes one 92N6 and 96L6 radar.

       In addition, according to the satellite image, at least one anti-aircraft missile and gun system "Pantsir-S" was deployed at the position of the S-400 SAM battalion at Masjaf. It should be noted that according to the information released by the recent 3-rd International Military Technical Forum "Army-2017", the "Pantsir-S" missile system "in the area of ​​Masjaf" was shot down on March 23, 2017, "on May 4, mini-UAV ", and on July 6 - UAV" type Heron ".

    Bigger zoom of the launchers, confirms 16 tubes. I would have thought that they would have spaced them out for safety. Obviously this is Russia making a statement and not actually expecting any incoming.

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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:12 am

    Russian sapper NW of D.Ezzor, Syria.

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    Post  slasher Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:31 pm

    Reuters: Islamic State releases video it says shows two Russians captured in Syria

    TASS: Moscow refutes allegations IS captured two Russian soldiers

    PMC's or fake capture propaganda by ISIS? Any info coming out of Russian internet sources?
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    Post  ali.a.r Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:45 pm

    Could be wrong, but one of them is apparently a Cossack from Rostov. So most likely mercenaries?

    Which begs the question, how do these PMC's operate? Are they like Hezbollah, with a bunch of guys leading the Syrians, or do they actually have formations and fight as units?
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:37 pm

    ali.a.r wrote:Could be wrong, but one of them is apparently a Cossack from Rostov. So most likely mercenaries?

    Which begs the question, how do these PMC's operate? Are they like Hezbollah, with a bunch of guys leading the Syrians, or do they actually have formations and fight as units?

    Platoons at most probably

    They either worked for Syrian state or for one of corporations that called dibs on local resources

    Also we should keep in mind that a lot of these guys are also war addicts as well so that factors into their choice of employment
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    Post  ali.a.r Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:56 pm

    Agreed. And if the US PMC's in the MidEast are any indicator, the pay is probably better than regular service too, which is a 'bonus'

    But my question is how could ISIS capture these guys? Also, where was the rest of their PMC group whenever they got captured?
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    Post  BKP Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:02 am

    Can't believe anyone would let themselves be captured by those devils. Far better to save your last round for yourself, if it comes to it.
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    Post  auslander Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:44 am

    One should consider the possibility that they were working for the other side, IOW Brand X, decided to go home and Brand X decided to use them one last time.
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    Post  BM-21 Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:54 am

    auslander wrote:One should consider the possibility that they were working for the other side, IOW Brand X, decided to go home and Brand X decided to use them one last time.

    As in they fought for IS?
    Doubt it.
    One of them fought in the Donbass. The other guy fought in the Yugoslav wars probably in Bosnia on the side of the Serbs against the muslims. This is according to Ru media.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:24 pm

    ТОS-1А Solntsеpeк MRLS in Syria. Russian serviceman appears to be standing in the front.

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    Post  lycantrop Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:38 pm

    Russia Issues Third Warning Against U.S. Cooperation With Terrorists

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/syria-russia-issues-third-warning-against-us-cooperation-with-terrorists.html

    awaiting 4th, 5th and 6th warning........

    please russia, act, or more russians/syrians will be killed, no more room for diplomacy....
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:52 pm

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    Post  calm Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:33 pm

    10 kalibars on Mayadeen

    Подводные лодки Черноморского флота "Великий Новгород" и "Колпино" несли удар 10 крылатыми ракетами "Калибр" в районе города Меядин в поддержку наступления сирийской армии на Дейр-эз-Зор.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:48 pm

    calm wrote:10 kalibars on Mayadeen

    Подводные лодки Черноморского флота "Великий Новгород" и "Колпино" несли удар 10 крылатыми ракетами "Калибр" в районе города Меядин в поддержку наступления сирийской армии на Дейр-эз-Зор.

    Now that's a missile salvo right there thumbsup

    Also the reason why new non-nuke subs need VLS cells. More the merrier:



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    Post  calm Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:34 pm

    Location of that 6 strikes from video

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:36 pm

    Russian Airstrike cripples Al-Qaeda Leadership in Syria

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