Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

Best go around the SDF forces to secure border area to east and north . Avoid attacking SDF , unless in self defence or if road is blocked by them . Do not allow the kurds to be able to unify and define themselves by the enemy they fight .

So many traitors and rebels lurking around trough SAA controlled cities.

This one reports on Russians in Deir.




Some of those "activist" are even photographing Russians in Deir.
https://twitter.com/EuphratesPost/status/906516177404526593



Russians need to be extra careful in those parts of Syria, it is not like in Latakia/Tartous.

ISIS Attacks Syrian Army South Of Dier Ezzor , Captures 2 Russian Servicemen.

https://muraselon.com/en/2017/09/breaking-isis-attacks-syrian-army-south-dier-ezzor-captures-2-russian-servicemen/

PapaDragon wrote:
ISIS claims it capture two Russian soldiers in the attack on Deir Ezzor highway

https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/913362384932175873


If true it will be apex of unsurprising cumulative fuckups that resulted from putting troops on the ground.

Already too many dead. This one will be a shitstorm should video surface.

Hell will be unleashed if they dare to do something stupid.

Russia should go "full retard" and fire salvos of Iskander missiles on every HQ/warehouse... of this subanimals, dont know why they are so reluctant.

russians also dont fight them with 100% effectivness, are they afraid of uncle sam or what?

for example:

Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

worth reading

Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/

lycantrop wrote:russians also dont fight them with 100% effectivness, are they afraid of uncle sam or what?

for example:

Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

In your adolescent pontifications did you ever take in to consideration the fact that all the heavy bomber crews are getting some stick and shooting time in? They, like the various lighter aircraft crews, are being rotated in and out of the AO as are the ground and support units and Navy. This is called 'blooding the units'.

Nice to see you back, by the by.

Also, what is this weapon?

That is an S-25 unguided rocket.

It is like a super RPG-7... it is a 266mm rocket pod with one tube.

It comes with two different rocket types... the S-25-O which has a 420mm warhead weighing 150kgs, and the S-25-OFM with a 340mm warhead weighing about the same.

They are very powerful rockets that are pretty similar to a direct fire 2-3km range 150kg HE bomb.

There are laser guided variants, but these seem to be the unguided models that are pretty accurate over short ranges anyway.

Sort of the replacement for the older S-24 which is a 240mm calibre rocket that is launched from a pylon and carries a 125kg warhead.

But it is worth noting that they fired two in the same time so two at a same target. Such rocket could destroy any target with one fire. Why use two at one target ??

Balance.

Plus the detonation of two rockets near a target are vastly more effective than one detonation.

Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

Those missiles are not cheap and they need to be sure of the targets... the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys.

Delaying attacks until you have 12 confirmed targets is stupid and unlikely to be more cost effective.

Also these are subsonic missiles... reports of one attack might get the targets to move from postions in case they are hit too... if you are ready for an attack you are more likely to survive... artillery attacks are generally most effective in the first 30 seconds... after that most people who are able have taken cover and are much harder to injure or kill.

GarryB wrote:

Each time they send an T-95 bear from russia, who fly through Iran/Iraq all the way down to syria air, is carrying only 1-2 K-101 cruise missiles.
What the hell are they doing? Its a waste of ressources/time/effectivness....
T-95 Bear can carry up to 12 missiles of this type!
They are sending a T-95 from far away only to blow up 1-2 targets, what a waste!
I dont believe they cant determine 5-10 targets and blow them up in one route.

Those missiles are not cheap and they need to be sure of the targets... the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys.

Delaying attacks until you have 12 confirmed targets is stupid and unlikely to be more cost effective.

Also these are subsonic missiles... reports of one attack might get the targets to move from postions in case they are hit too... if you are ready for an attack you are more likely to survive... artillery attacks are generally most effective in the first 30 seconds... after that most people who are able have taken cover and are much harder to injure or kill.

thanks for clarifying, one question, you wrote:

"the odds on 12 targets being worth hitting at one time is very low, so you might get hit all 12 targets but only 2-3 of them might be at an optimum time to get the most bad guys."

about the optimum time to hit this rats.

I suspect each time a T-95 bear is leaving russian border its already tracked by the us.
As we know US sharing informations with IS, so we can suppose US sharing data in advance to IS that T-95 is coming.
Im not expert, but possible that they also can track the cruise missile once its dropped, they track the flightpath of the missile.
data is constantly shared with IS on ground.
is it possible that russia cant bomb IS "in optimal time" because we can be 100% sure US alarming IS in advance?
Russia cant "surprise" the rats on ground?
maybe also they evacuate or hide in underground bases till T-95 is leaving syria?
this is hypothetical, im just thinking, but I am 100% sure US sees T-95 in advance and can share informations with rats on the ground.

lycantrop wrote:worth reading

Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/

What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?

par far wrote:

lycantrop wrote:worth reading

Signals Intel treachery targeted Russian general killed in Deir-Ezzor

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/09/26/signals-intelligence-targeted-russian-general-killed-in-deir-ezzor/

What I want to know is, does Russia have the capabilities to track high ranking officers, like it happened in this case?

I remember shortly after russia blow up CIA command centre near Aleppo (retaliation for killing 100 SAA + 7 russian sappers) russia came with statement:

"We know where all your commend centres alre located", as a warning.

So yes, I think russia has very good intel about whats going on on ground...

im curiouse if this baby is secretly used by russians in Syria, perfect place to test its capabilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9zWweFu7E


The Listva, a remotely operated mine clearance vehicle capable of detecting and blowing up mines up to 100 meters away, is one such weapon.

An armored vehicle equipped with a UHF emitter moves in front of a mobile missile system. It detects radio-controlled landmines planted along and away from the road using ground-penetrating radar and then uses ultra-high-frequency rays to neutralize them.

This is a novel technique, which had never been used before.

lycantrop wrote:im curiouse if this baby is secretly used by russians in Syria, perfect place to test its capabilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh9zWweFu7E


The Listva, a remotely operated mine clearance vehicle capable of detecting and blowing up mines up to 100 meters away, is one such weapon.

An armored vehicle equipped with a UHF emitter moves in front of a mobile missile system. It detects radio-controlled landmines planted along and away from the road using ground-penetrating radar and then uses ultra-high-frequency rays to neutralize them.

This is a novel technique, which had never been used before.

It would make sense but I have not seen any. It is my understanding that the first units were just delivered this year.