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    PapaDragon

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 23:04

    miketheterrible wrote:But that's the thing. Russia fucked up and let the US build bases in its backyard. Odessa.  So that is rather a bad sign of things to come to Russia (being ripped apart or turned into vassal) cause what good is having a strong military if you just let people walk in and set up shop?....

    There is no US base in Odessa or anywhere in the Ukraine and the moment someone even lifts a finger to make one the whole Donbass front is going to get lit up like Christmas tree.


    miketheterrible wrote:....
    Then again, I guess Russia lost Ukraine 2 decades ago and they voluntarily gave it up back in the 90's so don't know if the recent events count or not....

    2 decades ago was a different world and Russia barely existed.

    miketheterrible wrote:.......
    And yeah, Assad and Iran has to do their part too to force US out.

    Assad can't do jack and Iranians are, well you seen it for yourself.

    It's the Turks who are on the chopping block once Kurds get really rowdy.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 00:33

    so far at least. I know that the world is far different now than it was 20 years ago and I am having some troubles adjusting. I understand Russia gave up a lot of that territory and recognized that fact in 1992. It's just very dumb decision that is bearing the fruit of it now. Good thing is, Russia can at least use their law structure and state they do not recognize the 1954 transfer of land. Why they haven't yet, I do not know.

    As for Syria itself and Iran, I get what you are saying. Although, I find it rather strange that no one has made an attempt yet against them. They have been sitting pretty for a while. While in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was fair game.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  franco on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 01:36

    miketheterrible wrote:so far at least.  I know that the world is far different now than it was 20 years ago and I am having some troubles adjusting.  I understand Russia gave up a lot of that territory and recognized that fact in 1992.  It's just very dumb decision that is bearing the fruit of it now.  Good thing is, Russia can at least use their law structure and state they do not recognize the 1954 transfer of land.  Why they haven't yet, I do not know.

    As for Syria itself and Iran, I get what you are saying.  Although, I find it rather strange that no one has made an attempt yet against them.  They have been sitting pretty for a while.  While in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was fair game.

    Syria was to be invaded after Libya but Obama had a spot of conscience after Libya so wouldn't go full throttle. Iran was to be the last, after all the others were taken down, as per the neocon plan of battle that as revealed by General Clark.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:42

    Seems that in the process, Iran gained influence in Iraq and Syria. So the whole plan got destroyed.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:56

    Today it obvious that the US does not control Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. They are trying and will continue trying. Their war continues.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 02:58

    JohninMK wrote: monitoring‏ @warsmonitoring
    2h2 hours ago
    Replying to @warsmonitoring

    First(?) look inside of Alexandr Tkachenko. Frequently photographed by @YorukIsik(outside) this is the lower deck loading/en route to Tartus, Syria.







    Cyberspec wrote:Russia flag RoRo Alexandr Tkachenko transits Bosphorus en route to #Tartus #Syria carrying Zil, KamAZ & Ural trucks
    https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/929248437505314816

    In the refered to the trucks, it is the expected. Likely these trucks have a load inside. Likely are not empty, and likely can include loads related to towed artillery pieces, man-portable weapons or ammunition. In fact, all these trucks would be coming to Syria as part of the heavy artillery systems transported, taking into account that these systems need tractor elements. Now, the most likely land auxiliary vehicles to see transported to Syria as artillery tractors would be of the families of the:

    Kamaz 4310
    Ural 4320
    UAZ 469
    MAZ 543

    ZIL 135
    KRAZ of various types

    in the case of the last two until total exhaustion in Russia.

    In the case of the tank, the picture seems not to be of T-54, T-55 or T-62, and it would suggest their exhaustion in Russia (including engineering variants). At this point it should be still good numbers of these tanks stored in Syria waiting its turn to go to the frontline. Even enlarging the picture is not easy to identify which model is this one. After the exhaustion of the T-54, T-55 or T-62 the logical step would be to begin with the T-64.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 09:18

    Iran will do what it must asymmetrically when push comes to shove and in that regard they have bigger balls than the current leadership in Russia.. not like previous ones were any better - much worse - pathetic excuses of themselves. You'll have to go back 30 years+ to find Russian (Soviet) leadership with real spine. Everything since then is retreat on top of retreat...."not one step back" is not on a modern Russian vocabulary. Thank heavens they kept the nukes.

    The Eurasian Shatterbelt will always be contested by the U.S. They will never give up, they will never settle or surrender or retreat - their empire primacy depends on it being destabilized and in chaos, managed by them were possible, to keep Russia (the Heartland) in check and weak (prevent expansion - economic, geopolitical, militarily etc), and occupied in the mess (as it's now).... no amount of multipolar hocus pucus and wishful thinking is going to change that reality. You have to fight for stability in the periphery - the fight will come to Russia either way so it's either man up or become slaves/break up - that has been abundantly clear.

    The fact that they made inroads into Ukraine, Syria, Libya, expanded NATO as far EAST as they could SHOULD HAVE NEVER EVER surprised anyone. Only criminals in incompetence thought otherwise.

    Papa's deflection is always funny to me. It makes absolutely no sense but somehow it does in his head. Not "Russia's" problem... lmao. If the mess wasn't a Russian problem it wouldn't be there today. Syria is much more of a Russian problem than Yugoslavia as a matter of fact given the geo-economics.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Project Canada on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 11:17

    What are the chances of Russia recovering Ukraine? (Or some parts of it). It seems the waiting game i.e. waiting for the West installed regime in Kiev to collapse isnt working. Russia should have a plan B and work on it asap. Allowing Ukraine to slip into Nato hands will be a strategic nightmare  for Russia. Imagine thosands of Nato armies and nukes stationed right next to Moscow. Russia has no other option but to fight at all cost, even if they have to get their hands dirty. This is already a battle for survival. Nato as we speak is tightening the noose around Russia.

    As for Syria, Russia needs to get Iran more involved in the situation, Iran has high stakes too in Syria, a stable and non Nato puppet Syria is vital for Iran's security .
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 16:49

    The Backfires just keep on coming

    MOSCOW, November 15. /TASS/. Six Tupolev Tu-22M3 bombers of Russia’s Aerospace Force have delivered a massive air strike against the Islamic State (IS, a terror group outlawed in Russia) near the Syrian city of Abu Kamal, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday.

    "Six Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, which have taken off from the territory of Russia and flown over Iran and Iraq, have delivered a massive air strike against terrorists of the ISIL [the former name of the Islamic State] near the city of Abu Kamal in the province of Deir ez-Zor. The air strike targeted the terrorists’ strongholds and the amassments of their manpower and armored vehicles," the ministry said.

    The data recording equipment shows that all the designated targets have been destroyed, the ministry said.

    More: http://tass.com/defense/975852
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 11:50

    JohninMK wrote:The Backfires just keep on coming

    Reportedly, the air corridor around Bukamal is designated for the Americans, hence the Russian accusation that the Americans are supporting IS by refusing to bomb them. But the Backfires are outside the agreement on air corridors

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 22:52

    Looks like they've been at it again

    Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
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    Russian Ministry of Defense: long-range bombers Tu-22M3 bombers struck targets SW of Sha'ib Khaina Deir Ezzor province


    Not sure if this is a different target

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    Russian Tu-22M3 bombers hit targets North of Wadi al Hasyanin Syria
    34º37'07.7''N 40º41'23.7''E
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri 17 Nov 2017, 23:03

    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they've been at it again

    Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
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    Russian Ministry of Defense: long-range bombers Tu-22M3 bombers struck targets SW of Sha'ib Khaina Deir Ezzor province


    .............


    Man, I don't think that guys who designed these birds ever expected them to see this much use, they were built for WW3 nuclear quickie... lol1


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Sat 18 Nov 2017, 01:14

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they've been at it again

    Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
    1h1 hour ago

    Russian Ministry of Defense: long-range bombers Tu-22M3 bombers struck targets SW of Sha'ib Khaina Deir Ezzor province


    .............


    Man, I don't think that guys who designed these birds ever expected them to see this much use, they were built for WW3 nuclear quickie...   lol1

    Bit like all the landing craft shuttling between Russia and Syria. Bet that wasn't in the design brief but they are doing an amazing job. And some say Russia can't design and build good 'stuff'.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  eehnie on Sat 18 Nov 2017, 02:42

    JohninMK wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they've been at it again

    Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
    1h1 hour ago

    Russian Ministry of Defense: long-range bombers Tu-22M3 bombers struck targets SW of Sha'ib Khaina Deir Ezzor province


    .............


    Man, I don't think that guys who designed these birds ever expected them to see this much use, they were built for WW3 nuclear quickie...   lol1

    Bit like all the landing craft shuttling between Russia and Syria. Bet that wasn't in the design brief but they are doing an amazing job. And some say Russia can't design and build good 'stuff'.

    You say this in both cases because you are forgeting which is the true nature of the Tu-22 and the Project 775 ships. In both cases the work they are doing is in agreement with the nature of the design (strategic bomber and dry-cargo transport ship with amphibious landing capabilities), then it is wrong to say they were not designed for the work they are doing in this war.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat 18 Nov 2017, 05:19



    No more super old bombs it seems, I guess now it's time to clean up 1960s vintage... thumbsup
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #11

    Post  JohninMK on Sat 18 Nov 2017, 11:58

    eehnie wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Looks like they've been at it again

    Lucifuge Rofocale‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
    1h1 hour ago

    Russian Ministry of Defense: long-range bombers Tu-22M3 bombers struck targets SW of Sha'ib Khaina Deir Ezzor province


    .............


    Man, I don't think that guys who designed these birds ever expected them to see this much use, they were built for WW3 nuclear quickie...   lol1

    Bit like all the landing craft shuttling between Russia and Syria. Bet that wasn't in the design brief but they are doing an amazing job. And some say Russia can't design and build good 'stuff'.

    You say this in both cases because you are forgeting which is the true nature of the Tu-22 and the Project 775 ships. In both cases the work they are doing is in agreement with the nature of the design (strategic bomber and dry-cargo transport ship with amphibious landing capabilities), then it is wrong to say they were not designed for the work they are doing in this war.
    Whilst accepting the general validity of your comment I somehow doubt that virtually continuous operation for a period of at least two years was either designed in or in the wildest dreams of those who designed and built those ships. As shown perhaps by the rotation in and out of some of them as the RuN tried to even out the wear and tear on its limited fleet whilst preserving as far as possible the total number in case they are needed for their prime task in the future.

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