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    Post  Dima on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:29 pm

    Regular wrote:Go feck yerself Ultron wannabe. SAA are shitarabs what do You expect. They can't even shoot straight, look at this
    http://coub.com/view/91dx6
    No UAVs will help them, they are human garbage, even worse than those retard terrorists.
    What You are saying is Americunt way of fighting. Real and best recon is done up close and personal. Terrorists dress like civvies and blend in so humin is best way to track them and You just can't expect it from shitheads in Syria.
    Russia should take over SAA command and use Iranians as cannon fodder they are. And don't worry Russia will kill every last of them motherfucker Isis as they did with chechens terrorists
    Chill out and tone it down man. You are doing no good with venting it... there is already more than enough garbage going on in the Syrian thread.

    Please don't bother comparing the chechan campaingn to this one which is more complicated. Chechnya was an internal fight and Russia did not have to impose a ceasefire on the fighting units after talking to muricans. Russian military fought with what whatever was required to have a decisive victory against the murican & co supported Chechan terrorists and not with a force "rationed" with a handful of helo or aircrafts.

    The Syrian campaign went really great in the first half with those limited number of aircrafts and the momentum was strong......then came the surprise "mission accomplished" and with that Aleppo offensive which was ongoing at that time came to a dead halt..... has anyone actually tried to understand under what circumstances Russia had to to pull out?? I think there is something that we don't know in the open...

    What happened with US-Russia ceasefire in Syria is what exactly happened in Donesk earlier. When the momentum was strong and in favour of the anti-murican-nazi/kiev forces who could have taken Mariapol, a ceasefire was imposed there by halting the momentum and then withdrawal. Now the East Ukranians will have to loose men to repeat/take whatever they had gained and was let go due to the ceasefire. Same case with Syria.

    The "ceasefire" started to fall apart after the successful campaign of Palmyra and anyone with commonsense could see that Team A (FSA terrorists & co) and Team B (ISIS) was complimenting each other to relieve the Syrian pressure on Team B...

    Even after so much blood spilling during the Syrian "ceasefire", Russia was into "honouring" the agreement (we actually don"t know why Russia was so committed to this murican farse called ceasefire) and there was almost nothing happening in support of the Aleppo operation and without any effective (read Russia) air support the allied forces (SAA/NDF/Hezbollah/IRGC/Iraqi's) were loosing men to the well entrenched and supported FSA terrorists & co. But we saw the "ceasefire" stick....

    Then, in parallel, came the murican & co supported SDF offensive to Raqqa and what we see is an offensive formation getting readied from the Syrian side for an assault on Raqqa. The media was screaming "Race to Raqqa" with murican supported SDF from the north and Russian supported SAA allies from the south.

    But then once this operation to Raqqa started, we see Russia starting its strikes in South Aleppo... lack of coordination or (more likely) lack of aircrafts to service two fronts?

    South Aleppo situation is bad as such and it could be the reason why Russia might have diverted almost all their very limited air contingent there with none left for Raqqa offensive (as might have been agreed upon before the start of the campaign).....

    The remedy for such situation is only to increase the VKS strength to atleast the pre-"ceasefire" level which anyway was very effective and made the terror sponsors tol watch in disbelief what VKS was doing and the gains made by SAA & allies

    There is no point in repeatedly asking stupid questions like where is Syrian and Iranian airforces, questions like these are just trolling and shows the complete lack of elementary knowledge of the situation. None of the two is as capable as the VKS and even the daily strikes carried out by SyAAF maynot be as effective as those by the VKS. Iran maynot be even in the scene with their old aircrafts and complete lack of experience. Their presence might only allow the terrorists to increase their scores in shooting down aircrafts with unnecessary & avoidable causalities/losses. The better solution would have been to allow Iran buy or upgrade their Su-24 to VKS level and make effective use of it.

    Also, if Syria had the capability to withstand the onslaught by the well armed and supported international terrorists even after 4-5 years, they would not have asked for Russian help.
    Fact that need to be remembered is that Syria lost major chunk of their territory coz SyAAF not able to provide effective support to the ground forces coz they were constantly threatened & restricted by the Turkish/Israeli forces from across the border in support of the terrorists. SyAAF have lost many aircrafts over the course of this war and continue to loose them....


    It is high time Russia started using their heads properly and stop believing in the myth of a fair game from the muricans and trusting them. A lost battle in Syria wont stop in Damascus, it will end only in Moscow and that's the gameplan.
    Syria/Ukraine/Iran (a murican Shah kind of Iran will be a severe blow)/Olympic doping etc all are means to pressure and keep Russia engaged on multiple fronts to break the Russian morale.
    I really pity those who consider this Syrian war to be born out in isolation.


    I have been constantly saying that as long as Russia can postpone a direct war, the better. Coz Russia needs time and a great power cannot take the battle to the opponents yard without a strong navy. It doesn't have to necessarily mean operating in the opponents waters, but to have the ability to strike the nodes that's critical for opponents, the realization of which will allow the opponents to have some sense and tone down their approach against Russia.
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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:40 pm

    Laughing

    Palmyra
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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:44 pm

    ISIS' Amaq releases pictures from the cell phones of Russian soldiers on Ithriya-Raqqa road
    Islamic State claims to have killed 3 Russian soldiers on the Ithriya-Raqqa highway


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllNEzKXEAABpDW.jpg
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:17 pm

    If they claimed they did it, then they would have taken pictures of the bodies, not the cell phone pics.  If those are even cellphone pics they didn't pick up from VK accounts.  It didn't take long for the dead Russian airforce pilot shot down by Turkey to show up on pictures.  Or any other soldiers for that matter.  They are not short on cellphones or such. Guys don't even look alike in the pictures.
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    Post  calm on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:27 am

    The burned remains of the Russian KamAZ-63501 artillery towing truck hit on the Ithiriya-Raqqa road. wrote:
    http://amaqagency.ch/v/re23062016-720.mp4

    The soldiers "killed" likely part of the 291st artillery brigade, seen operating Msta-Bs near Tabqa.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllkSd9XEAAiWKk.jpg

    his photo says вч 64670, which is indeed 291th artillery brigade from Troitskoe, Ingushetia.
    Really???
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllmeJwWkAA1i9r.jpg

    Still can't believe.

    After all, why letting solider to be there, after that situation east of Palmyra.
    They are not safe with those soldiers from SAA.
    Yeah i said that.
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    Post  calm on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:31 am

    Somewhere in Syria.

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    Post  Guest on Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:33 am

    sepheronx wrote:If they claimed they did it, then they would have taken pictures of the bodies, not the cell phone pics.  If those are even cellphone pics they didn't pick up from VK accounts.  It didn't take long for the dead Russian airforce pilot shot down by Turkey to show up on pictures.  Or any other soldiers for that matter.  They are not short on cellphones or such.  Guys don't even look alike in the pictures.
    This. Even when Aleksandr Prohorenko called in an airstrike on himself in Palmyra. ISIS reported that they personally killed 5 Spetsnaz commandos.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:07 am

    calm wrote:Laughing

    Palmyra


    whats the news there?

    Anything new happened ?
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    Post  calm on Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:35 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    calm wrote:Laughing

    Palmyra


    whats the news there?

    Anything new happened ?

    ISIS attacking.
    SAA running.
    Helicopters saving the day.

    As some of proSAA twitters said, if there weren't Russia, Palmyra would be back in ISIS hands by now.


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    Post  sweartome123 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:41 am

    If ISIS did kill three servicemen, then where are the bodies? They published video of Alexander Prokhorenko's body when he was killed, but not now? I'm calling bullshit for the time being.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:04 am

    sweartome123 wrote:If ISIS did kill three servicemen, then where are the bodies? They published video of Alexander Prokhorenko's body when he was killed, but not now? I'm calling bullshit for the time being.

    I too hope it is BS but we all called bullshit on Prokhorenko back in the day and were proven wrong.

    I think VKS should incinerate some SAA morons as a precaution since they don't seem to be getting the message.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:42 am

    calm wrote:
    http://amaqagency.ch/v/re23062016-720.mp4

    The soldiers "killed" likely part of the 291st artillery brigade, seen operating Msta-Bs near Tabqa.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllkSd9XEAAiWKk.jpg

    his photo says вч 64670, which is indeed 291th artillery brigade from Troitskoe, Ingushetia.
     Really???
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllmeJwWkAA1i9r.jpg

    Still can't believe.

    After all, why letting solider to be there, after that situation east of Palmyra.
    They are not safe with those soldiers from SAA.
    Yeah i said that.

    Your video doesn't show any bodies.

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sweartome123 wrote:If ISIS did kill three servicemen, then where are the bodies? They published video of Alexander Prokhorenko's body when he was killed, but not now? I'm calling bullshit for the time being.

    I too hope it is BS but we all called bullshit on Prokhorenko back in the day and were proven wrong.

    I think VKS should incinerate some SAA morons as a precaution since they don't seem to be getting the message.

    The pics/video came very short after. We already have a video of the scene around the destroyed equipment. No bodies shown so far, unless they are ID'ing them. But then again, if that is the case, I highly doubt Russia would send their own men in without air support, as we have already given info on a service man dying from calling in a strike on himself.
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    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950403000491
    ISIL Uses Nerve Gas against Syrian Army outside Raqqa
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    Post  Resistance on Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:47 pm

    Russians got tricked by Americans yet AGAIN Mad  The SDF push on Raqqa was a ruse. The real target was Manbij. Thinking SDF was going for Raqqa, they did the Raqqa offensive too hastily without proper planning. Not only did SDF get Manbij, SAA suffered huge losses at Raqqa. So much for trusting Americans, yet AGAIN.
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    Post  Resistance on Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:02 pm

    There is evidence of Russian betrayal to the Russia offensive. Ivan Sidorenko reports.

    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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    Post  calm on Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:46 pm

    ‪#‎SYRIA‬ Russian Defence Ministry comments on reports and photos of Russian military servicemen allegedly fallen in the Raqqah province of the Syrian Arab Republic. The information was posted by the Amaq news agency, several Ukrainian propagandistic websites, and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
    “All the military servicemen, whose photos had been posted by the ISIS terrorist grouping, its Ukrainian “friends” and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a alive, healthy, and are in their units’ location.
    The photos have been gained from the mobile phone, which had been stolen in the territory of Russia.
    There is the only question: How were the photos posted on websites of the ISIS and teams of Ukrainian spiteful critics of Russia almost simultaneously?”
    Earlier, the Amaq news agency controlled by the ISIS, several Ukrainian propagandistic websites, and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights had posted reports and photos of Russian military servicemen allegedly fallen in the Raqqah province of the Syrian Arab Republic.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1761087910800624&id=1492252324350852
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:08 pm

    i was not sure about Raqqa offensive , while leaving Aleppo unfinished . In any
    case , one important aspect of war is to know when and where to fight and pick the right
    moment and retreat when you need to do it.

    When it comes to Russia and IRAN , im sure there is a major conflict of interest
    between them. IRAN wants to arm hezbolah to fight Israel ,IRAN seeks the destruction
    of Israel and Russia disagree with that. So Russia do have some cards to play there ,
    in promising Israel help with security on Israel ,to keep Hezbolah and IRAN away ,
    in change of help with Syria to end the conflict there.

    when it comes to SAA ,they are simply not properly armed ,to deal with hundreds
    of suicide bombers ,chemical attacks weapons. Russia needs to supply Syrian army
    with T-72 tanks or BMP-2s ,with automatic targeting control ,to deal with waves
    of suicide bombers , which it might look like primitive warfare ,but is very effective.
    Because suicide bombers on armored jeeps or bikes, they can be very fast ,like a human cruise missile ,that never miss its target and the only way to defend against it ,is to stop it very fast
    and anti tank missiles like Kornet are not the ideal weapon to deal with them because they move very fast and sometimes in motorbikes and attack in mass waves . you need very
    fast kinetic attacks ,like 30mm machine guns or tanks. with computer guided turret and ammo
    ideal against soft targets. Syria was using world war 2 tanks,with no precision that not only fails
    to hit them ,but also creates a cloud of dust that covers the terrorist.

    Those suicide bombers sometimes equip Bmp-1's with a ton of TNT ,
    and the gigantic explosion they create surpass even the ones of any Ballistic missile with conventional warfare that Russia have. the Rebels are not alone ,is NATO powers behind them.
    Helping ISIS and Alqaeda with weapons ,logistics ,intelligence ,satellite positions of SAA ,Radars from NATO in Turkey warns ISIS of every time Russia will fly toward their positions so they hide. then you have TUrkey firing NATO precision artillery across border . ISIS also have drones and chemical weapons. and NATO special forces are aiding directly their operations according to Veteran's Today. Iraqui ARmy captured Americans paramilitary well armed soldiers ,helping ISIS
    operations.

    anyone that believe for a second the Syrian Army is fighting just "Rebels" and Americans
    just sit idle watching the fight are seriously wrong. So you can blame SAA incompentece all people wants ,but SAA is not fighting just civilians who took weapons for freedom. They are fighting NATO trainned military with a lot of help. The command Center of ISIS ,is in the NATO airbase in Turkey. And NATO unmarked planes transport trained paramilitary all the time in
    many parts of the world and send them to Turkey/NATO base and from there ,they sent to Syria. Right in 2012 when HOMs was the capital of the terrorist , French Special forces were arrested helping the FSA. and the french ambassador had to travel to Syria and with help of Russia negotiate their release.

    I also read a report of a former Russian spetnaz trainer ,who was volunteer in Syria ,
    told that the world will not believe what kind of world professionals are aiding the terrorist.
    He personally told the story of one sniper he killed and turned to be a chechen that was also
    a spetnaz and was trained by Russia military and that he knew by name.

    People bet , the Blackwater or many other Americans paramilitary groups are there in Syria
    helping ISIS and Alqaeda with logistics ,drones and even chemical weapons. It was Russia insider who released a report of a kamikazi drone ,with an explosive , that was captured by
    Syrian army , and those drones are only operated by US navy seals.

    Once more Syrian Army is fighting NATO by proxy. Russia is helping SAA with dozen of planes ,but is not properly arming the SAA. Terrorist counter Russia airforce by spliting their army across a very large zone , to limit the effectiveness of the bombing. if Syria army had
    30 x T-72s in the RAqqa offensive with automatic targeting ,turret ,they will have been able to
    push back the terrorist and any wave of suicide bombers.



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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:46 pm

    @Vann7

    I have even better idea: don't give SAA jack sh*t until they prove that they know how to use what they already have.

    It takes one bullet to take out a suicide bomber. It takes one RPG to take out a SVIBED. They have plenty of those, time to start using them.

    I would not give them T-34's because they are historical heritage but for SAA T-55 is more than enough. They don't know how to use nor do they deserve anything better as we all have seen.
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    Post  Resistance on Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:@Vann7

    I have even better idea: don't give SAA jack sh*t until they prove that they know how to use what they already have.

    It takes one bullet to take out a suicide bomber. It takes one RPG to take out a SVIBED. They have plenty of those, time to start using them.

    I would not give them T-34's because they are historical heritage but for SAA T-55 is more than enough. They don't know how to use nor do they deserve anything better as we all have seen.

    RPGs can't be shot at night when SVBIEDs attack. For that they need thermal sight ATGMs like Konkurs M or Kornet.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:20 pm

    Looks as if those three dead Russians may well have been ISIS propaganda using images on a stolen phone. From MoD in Moscow, Yandex

    #SYRIA, the Russian defense Ministry commented on the information published by the Agency "Amak", near the Ukrainian propaganda sites and the London Observatory for human rights in Syria" messages and photos about Russian soldiers allegedly killed in raqqa province, the Syrian Arab Republic

    "All the soldiers whose pictures were published by the terrorist group ISIS, their Ukrainian "friends" and London's "Observatory of human rights in Syria," alive and well and are in the location of their units.

    The photos were taken with a phone stolen in Russia.

    The only question that occurs to us how these photos have appeared almost simultaneously on the website of ISIS and the teams of Ukrainian propagandists haters of Russia".

    Previously controlled by ISIS and information Agency "Amak", a number of Ukrainian propaganda sites and the London Observatory for human rights in Syria" published reports and photos of Russian soldiers allegedly killed in raqqa province, the Syrian Arab Republic.


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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:15 am

    Another link to what Johnin post:
    Russian Air Force carries out over 40 airstrikes in northern Aleppo https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-carries-40-airstrikes-northern-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:37 pm


    RuAF Mi-28Ns above Homs

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:40 pm

    The closure markings on one of the two runways at the main Russian airbase in Syria have been removed, Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows.

    Large 'X' markings of the type used to warn pilots not to land appeared at either end of the western runway at Humaymim Air Base between 29 March and 7 April, implying it had been closed, possibly because it had been damaged by heavy usage since Russia deployed its air wing to the base in September 2015. Satellite imagery taken on 31 May shows the markings had been removed by that date, but there was no indication of repair work being carried out on the runway.

    Imagery from 13 and 20 June also showed the Russian fixed-wing contingent remains little changed since the withdrawal of the Su-25 ground attack aircraft and some Su-24s in March.

    However, it confirmed that the Su-34s have been rotated. Three dark grey Su-34s were present at the base on 18 May, while the June images show three in the Russian Air Force's alternative blue camouflage scheme.


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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:18 pm

    So Erdie finally learned the word "sorry". Hopefully he won't forget that word though I have a hunch that he will.

    https://www.rt.com/news/348562-putin-erdogan-turkey-pilot/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Vladimir Putin has received a letter in which Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologized for the death of the Russian pilot who was killed when a Russian jet was downed over the Syrian-Turkish border last November, the Kremlin said.

    “The head of the Turkish state expressed his deep sympathy and condolences to the relatives of the deceased Russian pilot and said ‘sorry,’” Peskov said.
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    Post  Resistance on Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:07 pm

    Turkey just gave the gas contract to Israel. Bizarre timing for Erdogan to apologize. Either way, the war won't end for years with Turkey backing terrorists with arms purchased from Bulgaria.

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