Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

Ivan the Colorado wrote:It's not in either Syria's (obviously heavily supported by Russia) or Turkey's interest to have a well armed American proxy force who's special snowflake mentality leads them to believe that they are entitled to the land of the aforementioned countries.

OminousSpudd wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:It's not in either Syria's (obviously heavily supported by Russia) or Turkey's interest to have a well armed American proxy force who's special snowflake mentality leads them to believe that they are entitled to the land of the aforementioned countries.

Yeah... those Kurds. I personally have an axe to grind with their very erratic policies regarding their "independence". You're more likely to win peoples hearts if you don't take all their stuff.

eehnie wrote:Despite this, I do not expect many changes in the relations of Russia and Turkey. The weakness of Turkey is evident, and their lack of measure in the internal fight makes them deeply unpopular in Europe.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:It's not in either Syria's (obviously heavily supported by Russia) or Turkey's interest to have a well armed American proxy force who's special snowflake mentality leads them to believe that they are entitled to the land of the aforementioned countries.

Isos wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/348677-destroyer-patrol-boat-mediterranean/


US destroyer gets dangerously close to Russian frigate in Mediterranean

Isos wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/348677-destroyer-patrol-boat-mediterranean/


US destroyer gets dangerously close to Russian frigate in Mediterranean

MOSCOW, 28 Jun — RIA Novosti. Russian warship on 17 June carried out ' unsafe and unprofessional maneuvers by the two ships of the U.S. Navy, reports the Agency Reuters with reference to the representative of the American Ministry of defence.

According to the representative of the Pentagon, who wished to remain anonymous, the Russian ship "fearless" was at a distance of 288 metres of the destroyer Gravely, and at a distance of five nautical miles (9 kilometers) from the aircraft carrier "Harry Truman" in the Mediterranean sea.
The Russian Navy consists of two ship of the project 11540 (NATO – "fearless") — "fearless" and "Yaroslav the Wise".
Earlier the defense Ministry of Russia accused the crew of the USS Gravely in a dangerous rapprochement with the Russian patrol ship (SKR) "Yaroslav the Wise". The actions of the sailors from the US flagrantly violated the international rules and the Russian-American agreement, said the Agency.
The defense Ministry stressed that the Russian ship "followed in international waters a constant course and speed and any dangerous manoeuvre in relation to the American ship did not perform

PapaDragon wrote: And since we are firmly in dick measuring zone why don't they just work out their issues with a nice drag race?

Can you even drag race in a warship?  

GunshipDemocracy wrote:...........

PapaDragon wrote: And since we are firmly in dick measuring zone why don't they just work out their issues with a nice drag race?

Can you even drag race in a warship?  

first get chicks from fast& furious  

PapaDragon wrote:

first get chicks from fast& furious  

Forget warship, I would swim for those...

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

 first get chicks from fast& furious  

Forget warship, I would swim for those...

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Resistance wrote:I don't get why Russia don't give some MSTA-B artillery to SAA. For god's sakes SAA is still using 1960s equipment mostly. That's not acceptable.

Vann7 wrote:

Resistance wrote:I don't get why Russia don't give some MSTA-B artillery to SAA. For god's sakes SAA is still using 1960s equipment mostly. That's not acceptable.

artillery is artillery , the munition they both use can be the same. The traditional fixed artillery
is ideal for defending bases ,because they have bigger survibility , you need a direct hit or very close one to defeat ,the old classic artillery . Is also cheaper , and can do the same job.

So i think Cost /performance is the reason Russia does not provide Msta-B to Syrian army.
aside that Syrian army does not have a strong force that could guarantee to keep the enemy
at enough distance from their firing positions.  and finally traditional artillery is more easier to hide from satellites observation. you can cover it easily if there is a need. Even Americans use
classic old artillery in afganistan .

if a mortar explode near the artillery is quite possible the artillery will survive for not having
much technology.

there is also smaller artillery that is highly mobile and any pickup or jeep can deploy.
So the old classic artillery have its place in modern army.notice how Russia even use rocket artillery from the 60s too ,like BM-21 Grad.

Easy to operate is also another reason ,to use old artillery . So there are many reasons for it.
But price ,cost ,easy to use ,survibility and easy to repair if hit by a mortar are among other reasons why use it.  If Syrian army had a powerful airforce to cover and keep enemies far away  from shelling their positions ,then MSTA artillery will make more sense. but easy to use and cost also matter.

So classic old artillery have its place still today. Same with RPG-7 rocket grenades. very portable and easy to use ,cheap and just one shot can wipe terrorist group in a room hiding.
What Russia should be providing to Syria however in the several hundreds is T-75 tanks with updated electronics and night vision and automatic targeting. that could allow them to quickly fight waves of suicide bombers. China could provide microwave weapons too ,to fry suicide bombers easily at distance. But i think Russia have too and do not want to show everything
they have ,to not teach Americans too much of their capabilities and technology . So that later
NATO can create effective ways to counter it. and be prepared.

To more effectively counter Alqaeda and ISIS , you either send a large airforce or either deploy
an armored mechanized force with precision fire that can deal very fast with fast moving waves of suicide bombers. but also weapons like Sound weapons , lazer guns can effectively stop very fast terrorist before they get close to their target. Emp artillery can also stop the car of terrorist charging forward and could even disable a bomb fuse. but precision old artillery or tank gun will be more than enough to do the job.

terrorist know they have a major range and armor disadvantage ,so they counter it with speed ,and mass waves surprise attacks ,using a lot suicide bombers followed by fast
mobile fire. This is why Syrian army is not prepared to fight such tactics without too much casualties.because they lack of precision weapons or a strong airforce that could evade manpads.

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