Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

Khepesh wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Sputnik might not be totally correct, Russian military spokesman said today no navy ship problem whilst local media says there is a problem. It could be a merchant ship only issue but there is more in the posts now moved to the other thread.

It is only a problem with merchant ships, but it is outrageous that Turkey should be making these difficulties that would not be tolerated by America. It could be seen as a deliberate humiliation to interfere with Russian ships like this, and needs to be stopped at once. America has done whatever it likes since 1991, kill countless civilians, destroy some countries and cause chaos in others, all while Russia has sat on the sidelines and occasionaly squeaked in protest like a weak and feeble mouse. Enough, if Turkey shoots down VKS and fucks with Russian shipping then the fist comes down and these bastards should be made to shit their pants, and if America complains then fuck them.

In many ways russia has brought this upon itself. In ukraine russia did respond, but not officially, when ukrainian air force violated russian airspace, ukrainian tanks crossed the border and pointed their weapons at russian border guards, when ukrainian artillery was shelling russia and killing russian civilians what did it do?

Diddly squat officially, well, discounting angry letters from lavrov.

Add to that, right at the beginning of the counter revolution in eastern ukraine when nato was basically dictating to russia how far away from the border its troops should be in ITS own territory, and countless other times where russia has continued to be the 'good guy' selling the europeans and ukrops oil, gas and coal, giving them discounts etc. Continually dealing with its enemies as if they are friends and being 'forced to negotiate' the minsk deals by merkel and co.

We know russia did respond and ruthlessly, that there is reasoning behind their diplomacy and that minsk was initiated by russia, not the west, but thats not how it was played out in the minds of the west and friends. By not acting officially when russian civilians started getting killed by the ukies, it makes itself look weak and like it doesnt care about the lives of its own people. If russia had immediately carried out airstrikes and smashed the ukies up do you really think turkey would have the balls to pull that stunt it did last week?

There is a reason you wont see turkey try shooting down israeli planes, and thats because they know they will get fooked up if they try it. With russia, theres a level of doubt that opens the door for some idiot to try something.

Again, i dont say that russias response in ukraine was the incorrect one, overall it was right, but there was certain red lines that they allowed the enemy to cross and by responding covertly it makes them look weak in some eyes, as 'officially' they did nothing. Russia doesnt need to act like the usa, but there are certain things you can learn from them, ie, you mess with our people and we will mess you up. Knowing that will happen is a pretty good deterrent, rather than the current doubt.

Just to close the loop here.

False alarm alert.

There is no and may have well been no, issue in the Bosporus regarding Russian ships of any type over the past couple of days other than normal operating conditions which someone misread, accidentally or on purpose. More in other thread.

The world will not be at peace until United States empire destroyed.. and its economy collapse.
Europe is a colony of Americans ,and they cannot say NO to anything they demand. IS crazy how Europe allows Americans to take control of their lives ,and even more crazy how Europe receive a million of Muslin refugees with many potential ISIS followers and they do nothing.

Let me remind you that the Bulgarian Psychic Baba Vanga ,who predicted world war 1 (check)
and World war 2 (check) and predicted the fall of Soviet Union (check) and also the raise of Russia too. and that China will become a world Super Power.. Told that Europe will be conquered by Muslins and that it will be destroyed.. and now about 50 years later of her prediction this all makes sense.

Meanwhile looks like merkel was blackmailed big time by US and Germany is officially joining the ISIS side and saying will not cooperate with Assad or Russia. It is clear what the american government will try to do now.. after Russia closing Northern Syria.. they will use IRAQ border with Syria as the new safe zone for Terrorist.. And try to setup military bases there with Air defenses.. to block any Russian plane traveling from Russia to IRAN to IRAQ and then Syria. In other words.. i will not be surprised if Turkey at the order of Americans ,close the exit of the black sea..to block Russian navy supplies to Assad..they can compensate later Turkey the economic damages for Russian sanctions. and at the same time US and its pro ISIS coalition ,close the IRAQ airspace to Russia.. so it can't neither supply from there. McAIn was in IRAQ to blackmail them..to close their Air space to Russia.. The US army is also blocking the IRAQ army
from entering their western zone , they don't want IRAQ army to fight ISIS there.
Because they claim they will do it.. so effectively the operation to partition Syria is in full scale.
Attacking from the North with Turkey..and now will be attacking from the east of Syria with US troops on the ground and Germany too. This means that unless Russia increase its speed , or get allies..it will be very difficult for them to keep protecting Syria.. if Americans create another bridge /long supply line from Saudi Arabia to IRAQ to Syria .

The Big missing factions here.. IRAN and CHINa.. where is Russian allies? IRAN all they sent was 2,000 soldiers volunteers ,and they could have done FAR more than that. Total absence
of Collective Security Treaty Organization CSTO , that could send 10,000 tropps to help.. Total absence of India and any power that could help a LOT with logistics and and intelligence
and helping to provide air defense cover to Russia airforce.. but they do nothing. Is kind of really pathetic world we live. That only 1 nation have to fight injustice and terrorism and eveyone else with their thumps up in their ass.. either doing nothing or following Americans coalition.

Pentagon warns Russia’s against arming its warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles
Military & Defense December 01

WASHINGTON, December 1. /TASS/. Russia’s arming its Su-34 warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles can only complicate an already difficult situation in Syria’s airspace, Pentagon spokesperson Michelle Baldanza told TASS on Monday.

Russian Su-34 planes in Syria for the first time make sorties with air-to-air missiles.

"Such systems will further complicate an already difficult situation in the skies over Syria and do nothing to further the fight against ISIL [the former name of the terrorist group Islamic State which is outlawed in Russian] as they have no air force," she said. "·We expect that if Russia follows through, they will abide by our Memorandum of Understanding regarding flight safety and not direct this system against Coalition aircraft."

On Monday, spokesman for the Russian Aerospace Forces Colonel Igor Klimov said Russia’s Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bombers (NATO reporting name: Fullback) had for the first time taken, in addition to bombs, short-and medium-range air-to-air missiles on combat mission in Syria. "The Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers today have for the first time taken on combat mission not only the OFAB-500 air bombs and KAB-500 guided bombs, but also short-and medium-range air-to-air missiles. The planes are equipped with missiles for their defence," Klimov said.
According to him, the missiles "are equipped with target seeking devices and are capable of hitting air targets within the range of 60 kilometres."

A Russian Su-24M bomber was gunned down by a Turkish F-16 fighter jet in the morning of Tuesday, November 24. Turkish defence officials claimed the Russian warplane had intruded into Turkish airspace in the area of the Syrian-Turkish land-surface border.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Su-24M was flying over the Syrian territory and there was now intrusion in Turkish airspace.
The crew - Lt Col Oleg Peshkov and Capt Konstantin Murakhtin managed to eject themselves from the aircraft but Lt Col Peshkov was killed in midair by gunfire opened by militants from among the ethnic Turkomans.

Capt Murakhtin was rescued and taken to the Russian airbase at Hmeymin, Latakia province.

The search and rescue operation involved two Mi-8 helicopters. One of them was damaged by gunfire and made a forced landing. A contract marine serviceman - Alexander Pozynich - died in the incident while the rest of the search party was evacuated to a safe place.

The damaged helicopter was destroyed later by mortar fire from a land area controlled by militants.
The Russian defense ministry and later the surviving Su-24M pilot refuted Ankara’s allegations that the Russian plane had been given warnings before the attack.

Turkey is reportedly amassing troops on the border.

If one looks at the map of the potential Turkish intervention it appears that the Turkish goal would be the prevention of the joining of Kurdish territories on its Syrian border, which would effectively sever  Turkey from Syria and from the terrorists it sponsors and arms.

I doubt that Turkey will allow the creation of a Kurdistan on its border, making its intervention highly probable.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU4aXPeUAAATxhS.png:large

http://syria.liveuamap.com/

[quote="BKP"]Pentagon warns Russia’s against arming its warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles
Military & Defense  December 01

WASHINGTON, December 1. /TASS/. Russia’s arming its Su-34 warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles can only complicate an already difficult situation in Syria’s airspace, Pentagon spokesperson Michelle Baldanza told TASS on Monday.

Russian Su-34 planes in Syria for the first time make sorties with air-to-air missiles.

"Such systems will further complicate an already difficult situation in the skies over Syria and do nothing to further the fight against ISIL [the former name of the terrorist group Islamic State which is outlawed in Russian] as they have no air force," she said. "·We expect that if Russia follows through, they will abide by our Memorandum of Understanding regarding flight safety and not direct this system against Coalition aircraft."

Perhaps they should have thought about that before they at best turned a blind eye to Turkey's actions.

Russia are the only country operating in Syria legally at the behest of the Syrian state.
The rest are there illegally. Any other warplane operating over Syrian airspace that is not Syrian or Russian are doing so illegally.

It's as simple as that.

JohninMK wrote:

BKP wrote:Pentagon warns Russia’s against arming its warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles
Military & Defense  December 01

WASHINGTON, December 1. /TASS/. Russia’s arming its Su-34 warplanes in Syria with air-to-air missiles can only complicate an already difficult situation in Syria’s airspace, Pentagon spokesperson Michelle Baldanza told TASS on Monday.

Russian Su-34 planes in Syria for the first time make sorties with air-to-air missiles.

"Such systems will further complicate an already difficult situation in the skies over Syria and do nothing to further the fight against ISIL [the former name of the terrorist group Islamic State which is outlawed in Russian] as they have no air force," she said. "·We expect that if Russia follows through, they will abide by our Memorandum of Understanding regarding flight safety and not direct this system against Coalition aircraft."

Perhaps they should have thought about that before they at best turned a blind eye to Turkey's actions.

Tell me TASS is making these up please...

"10 fighter jets and 15 attack helicopters belonging to Russia already deployed at the Shayrat airport near Homs"

"2nd Russian airbase in Sha'yrat, Homs, is near Hamrat where Russian howitzers were deployed"



Source: https://twitter.com/yurybarmin

Rebels are reporting that 2 Russian hellicopters crashed in the Turkman zone near where the combat plane fell..

Rebels informing that 2 #Russia helicopters crashed on #Turkmen_Mount

Reports so far: 2 #Russia helicopters (tail # “927" and “930”) flying over #Turkmen_Mount have been lost since 1 hour

If this happens to be true.. it will be completely retarded to send helicopters to a zone full of Manpads and anti air artillery and so close to Turkey border. and with terrorist very well armed.. i hope is not true. because it will be a disaster for Russia and Putin support if so short time they lose more people.

In the same note.. i really think Putin should change its director of operations of its airforce
in Syria.. it was incredibly Stupid to send an Su-24 alone close to the turkey border.. without
any escort.  and just a day earlier that the Russian plane was shot down.. Turkey was threatening its ambassador with serious consequences if Russia continue bombing their guys.

So it seems a major problem with the communication between the Ambassador of Russia to turkey with the Russian military to warn them of Erdogan very hostile mood and to reinforce
the protection of its  bombers.. It stupid that they had to lose a combat pilot to send an escort to all its bombers.. or to think that americans will not try something .  The over Confidence
of Putin is sick.. with their NATO "partners"..


Update..
It appears the information could not be 100% accurate.. at least the part of "Tail numbers"
of the hellicopters.. because Russia numbers are in front of the chopper ,abit close to the middle and not the tail.. so time will tell.

I am loving how Russia is putting a massive spanner in the works with Erdogan's plans and any other Gulf BS regime trying to kick up shit by playing the Wahhabi card. Keep going Russkies, one day your actions will be vindicated in the annals of history

Now also Kamov 52 and Mi-28 in Syria ?

sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151130/1031012769/russia-attack-helicopters-syria.html

Kadmos45 wrote:Now also Kamov 52 and Mi-28 in Syria ?

sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151130/1031012769/russia-attack-helicopters-syria.html

Clickbite, video is montage, KA52/Mi28 shots are from Russia.

I dont understand whats the point of Russia doing military drills with their
Asian "partners" of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). they train ,train and train and do nothing when their presence is needed.
Russia is in many so called "organizations to counter terrorism" but how many of them are
deployed in Syria when Russia asked for their help?

Where is India? Where is China? Where is IRAN army?

All this shows that Russia have no allies ,no mayor powers as allies and is a lonely player in the world. and that they have no other choice but that become a heavy militarized nation and only
count on themselves.. for any help.. because no one of its partners will come to any help.
what a bunch of losers .. waiting that the problems in the world be solved all by Russia.

Vann7 wrote:Rebels are reporting that 2 Russian hellicopters crashed in the Turkman zone near where the combat plane fell..

Rebels informing that 2 #Russia helicopters crashed on #Turkmen_Mount

Reports so far: 2 #Russia helicopters (tail # “927" and “930”) flying over #Turkmen_Mount have been lost since 1 hour

If this happens to be true.. it will be completely retarded to send helicopters to a zone full of Manpads and anti air artillery and so close to Turkey border. and with terrorist very well armed.. i hope is not true. because it will be a disaster for Russia and Putin support if so short time they lose more people.

In the same note.. i really think Putin should change its director of operations of its airforce
in Syria.. it was incredibly Stupid to send an Su-24 alone close to the turkey border.. without
any escort.  and just a day earlier that the Russian plane was shot down.. Turkey was threatening its ambassador with serious consequences if Russia continue bombing their guys.

So it seems a major problem with the communication between the Ambassador of Russia to turkey with the Russian military to warn them of Erdogan very hostile mood and to reinforce
the protection of its  bombers.. It stupid that they had to lose a combat pilot to send an escort to all its bombers.. or to think that americans will not try something .  The over Confidence
of Putin is sick.. with their NATO "partners"..


Update..
It appears the information could not be 100% accurate.. at least the part of "Tail numbers"
of the hellicopters.. because Russia numbers are in front of the chopper ,abit close to the middle and not the tail.. so time will tell.

Can you post the source from which you got this info?
Probably you posted twitter updates from the day Su-24 was shot down and the helos went in for SAR mission which was then fired upon by the terrorists.

I didn't see any info related to it on the non-Jihadist media.... even the Al Jihadist doesn't have any breaking news regarding the two helos shot down.

on Syrian Twitter....I got these

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha
Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 2h2 hours ago

Reports circulating regarding the 2 #RuAF aircraft seems to be false

Vann7 wrote:

I dont understand whats the point of Russia doing military drills with their
Asian "partners" of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). they train ,train and train and do nothing when their presence is needed.
Russia is in many so called "organizations to counter terrorism" but how many of them are
deployed in Syria when Russia asked for their help?

Where is India? Where is China? Where is IRAN army?

All this shows that Russia have no allies ,no mayor powers as allies and is a lonely player in the world. and that they have no other choice but that become a heavy militarized nation and only
count on themselves.. for any help.. because no one of its partners will come to any help.
what a  bunch of losers .. waiting that the problems in the world be solved all by Russia.

Apart from Iran maybe neither Russia or Syria have asked for their support?

Maybe Iran is already doing all that has been requested. Then, can you imagine the complications if the other two were involved?

Sputnik ‏@SputnikInt 3 hours ago
#SmoothSailing: no troubles reported for Russian ships in the #Bosphorus


http://sputniknews.com/world/20151201/1031051313/russia-ships-turkey-submarine.html

Dima wrote:
on Syrian Twitter....I got these

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha
Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 2h2 hours ago

Reports circulating regarding the 2 #RuAF aircraft seems to be false

it was on a link before pages ago.. wikimap? that was saying Turkey was concentrating
tanks and troops near Syria border. inside the link.. there was some Rebel rumors..
but not confirmed. just words but not images. or video. Neither Russian media
have reported anything.. that was told more than 6 hour ago.

[quote="JohninMK"]

Vann7 wrote:
Maybe Iran is already doing all that has been requested. Then, can you imagine the complications if the other two were involved?

Putin have been asking for weeks since they moved to Syria for a major alliance to join them and
so far have got nothing..just 2,000 volunteers from IRAN and half of them not even Iranians..
but iraquis Shia.

Basically Russia is alone in Syria with Syrian forces and few thousand Hezbolah .
India could help A LOT Russia..  without fighting.. just flying high and monitoring rebels
movements ,supplying logistics. and helping in the escort of Russian bombers. see?
The same with CHina..but the selfish bastards don't move a finger is not their business
ISIS..and they prefer Russia to deal with it.. and leave an ally alone. Just 5 planes they could send ,to just spy or just escort Russia missions.. could do a LOT of difference..

They could also help without planes just sending one warship to spy on any submarines near Russia and help with RUssia security. or helping protect the Russian warships with combat planes.. but NOTHING.. Russia is simply alone there.

What is more amazing.. Is that most of the moral support Russia have received to their war against ISIS.. comes from the most unexpected sources.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/rep-dana-rohrabacher-if-being-nato-means-protecting-erdogan-either-he-shouldnt-be-nato-or

is so disgusting that India and CHina behave so lame ,with Russia when they could do a LOT of help to them without firing a single bullet or ground operations.

[quote="Vann7"]

JohninMK wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Maybe Iran is already doing all that has been requested. Then, can you imagine the complications if the other two were involved?

Putin have been asking for weeks since they moved to Syria for a major alliance to join them and
so far have got nothing..just 2,000 volunteers from IRAN and half of them not even Iranians..
but iraquis Shia.

Basically Russia is alone in Syria with Syrian forces and few thousand Hezbolah .
India could help A LOT Russia..  without fighting.. just flying high and monitoring rebels
movements ,supplying logistics. and helping in the escort of Russian bombers. see?
The same with CHina..but the selfish bastards don't move a finger is not their business
ISIS..and they prefer Russia to deal with it.. and leave an ally alone. Just 5 planes they could send ,to just spy or just escort Russia missions.. could do a LOT of difference..

They could also help without planes just sending one warship to spy on any submarines near Russia and help with RUssia security. or helping protect the Russian warships with combat planes.. but NOTHING.. Russia is simply alone there.

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Alone and getting the job done.

Chincoms will not stick their necks over Syria and Russia will not stick it's neck over Taiwan.

Stop whining about CSTO China barely controls it's own coastline, India has zero resources for anything further out than Pakistan and rest of them are total joke.

Vann7 wrote:

I dont understand whats the point of Russia doing military drills with their
Asian "partners" of Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). they train ,train and train and do nothing when their presence is needed.
Russia is in many so called "organizations to counter terrorism" but how many of them are
deployed in Syria when Russia asked for their help?

One simple reality.
There is only a single intercontinental powerhouse in all that organization and that is Russia.
As I said earlier in one of my posts, there are only two real leaders in this world and that is Russia and the U.S, rest of the world follow these world powers according to their convenience!

Where is India?

Busy $ucking the US and cronies.
Only a fool would count on any positive decision coming from India related to Syrian counter terrorists ops which might go against western interest. Things would have been different if it was the 98-2000 era with AB Vajpayee or if it was Indira Gandhi ruling India.

Where is China? Where is IRAN army?

Even if not giving military support, they can do a lot with financial/economic support.
I would have loved to see Chinese send few Type-045A and Type-071 ships to Syrian cost to strengthen Russian hands, few Flankers and A-50 would also do good..wish it arrive at some point....

There is a limit to what Iran can do.....most stuff I want to see from China and Iran are long-endurance armed drones so that SAA can hunt down the terrorists units in Aleppo and Idlib cities and help advance of SAA and allies with zero/minimal casualities

All this shows that Russia have no allies ,no mayor powers as allies and is a lonely player in the world. and that they have no other choice but that become a heavy militarized nation and only
count on themselves.. for any help.. because no one of its partners will come to any help.

True!
Only nations which unfortunately doesn't have much military strength have voiced in support of Russia. But Russia is not pro-active in strengthening those nations. I have always mentioned about N.Korea and its time Russia threw all the sanctions against it in bin and support the nation economically and militarily. Help them with their farming sector and exports. S.Korea for instance exports kimchi/related stuffs in excess of $100 million to Russia, this could be/should be replaced with N.Korean imports after successfully developing the sector. After all there is no need for Russia to support a nation (S.K) which have stood against it on almost all crisis. Help develop N.Korea and improve military capability which will open up a real military flank against the US there by forcing the US to divert its forces.  

what a  bunch of losers .. waiting that the problems in the world be solved all by Russia.

Unfortunately, rest dont have a strategic reach/view of the world and are confined to their limited "big" world where they are positioned. Russia is in a completely different league. The difference being boys and men.

China is not Russia ally. Never was.

Russia is just too weak right now to have any allies/cronies/whatever. Every coward on this planet just follow onkl Shame instructions , and thats all about it.
Those money invested in destroying Soviet Union was paid with big interests unfortunately ...

PapaDragon wrote:
Alone and getting the job done.

Chincoms will not stick their necks over Syria and Russia will not stick it's neck over Taiwan.

Stop whining about CSTO China barely controls it's own coastline, India has zero resources for anything further out than Pakistan and rest of them are total joke.
 

Not really.. NATO is increasing the pressure on Russia and now Germany is joining US coalition.
All that it takes to push Russia out of syria is that their planes start to be shotdown more frequently and or that Turkey provoke Russia into a small conflict by bombing cross border with Artillerty Syrian army positions. while Israel do the same in the other side..and then US that start doing the same from the other side.. in other words that Syrian army began to be bombed from all sides by 3 different countries.. or that the Ukraine conflict restart.. the war there..?
Or that Turkey start harrasing Armenia.. or that Ukraine start attacking transnistria.. So many ways to get Russia really frustrated ,and ready to leave..for being alone.


In Taiwan there is no war.. Russia will not fight for territorial issues.. is only fighting
Terrorism and nothing else. and Terrorism in Syria if allowed to win and overthrow assad
it will end affecting those nations like CHina and India too.. because they can be re-exported
there. Islamic Terrorism is a weapon of Americans.. and it is on the interested of Russia and China to help so they don't need to deal later with it.

FFS you sound like broads with PMS. Can you please calm down?