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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:51 pm

    Map of Russian originating aircraft involved and their bases.

    Interestingly, during their transit across Middle East, the Russian strategic bombers were escorted by Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force F-14 Tomcat, Mig-29 Fulcrum and F-4 Phantom jets whose prior mission to visually observe activity of Russian bombers inside the Iranian airspace, from their entry point to the exit point.

    Military aviation historian and journalist Babak Taghvaee has prepared an interesting infographic that provides lots of details about the Russian strategic bombers missions to Syria as well as about the Iranian chase planes.


    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Infographic-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria.jpg

    Whole article at http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/21/infographic-russian-strategic-bombers-syria/

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:30 pm

    There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  sniper

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Acheron on Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Acheron wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Stealth kh-101


    So Russia gave her latest stealth technology to Iran
    Thanks Russia
    russia
    I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon

    1) If a missile "pancakes", that't the shape you would expect it to have.
    2) I am sure that there is an agreement with Iran that all crashed objects are to be given back -> Iranian specialists are free to photograph it and examine, but it will most likely make its way back to Russia.
    3) Iranian specialists should prioritise work on aerial delivery vehicles for cruise missiles like Kh-55 and Kh-101, rather than the missiles themselves -> the state of the airforce is a major glaring deficiency (amongst others) of Iranian military.

    This is rear half of the missile, where is the rest of it? If it had crashed there would either be wreckage of warhead or Shackleton sized crater over there. And isn't warhead supposed to detach from the carrier at some point?


    Also, good to see you Acheron, where have you been for the past year? thumbsup

    Well, if we are to believe that this missile crashed in Iran, then it is quite likely that the relevant authorities removed the warhead and other sensitive elements before leaking the photograph to satisfy nosy reporters. A lack of crater or a trailing depression in the soil might indicate that the turbo-fan engine refused to start and the missile fell to earth with very little forward velocity (due to air friction slowing it down throughout its fall).
    Also, if Kh-55/Kh-101 is similar to Tomahawk, then I do not think that the warhead is supposed to detach prior to impact. In order for the warhead to detach, there should be some sort of mechanism (engine nozzles or some kind of control surfaces) in the forward section near to the warhead in order to allow for trajectory corrections in the terminal phase. Looking at the various Tomahawk variants, such mechanism do not appear to be in place: http://www.ausairpower.net/Tomahawk-Subtypes.html
    Also, images of a Tomahawk prior to impact shows it to be intact and whole:

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Oh, French... Smile

    Playtime Over: France Confirms Russian Forces Are Pummeling ISIL in Syria

    Russia’s stance on Syria changed after it was directly attacked by ISIL, according to France’s Defense Minister.


    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151122/1030546006/russia-syria-airstrikes-intensity.html

    According to French Defense Minister Jean Yves Le Drian, Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft have been launching significant strikes against the Islamic State positions in Syria.

    "Russia’s stance on Syria has changed… It was dealt a serious blow by the Islamic State… Now Russia launches significant strikes against ISIL positions," Le Drian told Europe1 radio station.

    On September 30, Russian military aircraft began executing precision strikes against ISIL forces in Syria at the behest of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Since the beginning of the airborne campaign Russian aircraft have carried out over 2,000 sorties, destroying about 3,000 ISIL targets and eliminating hundreds of militants.

    The warships of Russian Caspian Flotilla also launched a series of cruise missile strikes against the ISIL assets in Syria.

    On Tuesday Russian Aerospace Forces intensified their campaign in Syria, launching massive airstrikes against ISIL forces.

    What drivel. The usual NATO propaganda BS about evil Russia not targeting ISIS but the "moderate" Al Qaeda "rebels" instead. Shut up you lying French twat.

    Anyone who tracked the bombing campaign could see that it was directed at all targets. Naturally the priority targets are near the front line between the
    Syrian forces and the jihadis in the west of the country. This point is totally omitted by NATO sacks-of-shit who breath lies like they breath air.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:01 pm


    Sultan Erdogan be pissing gasoline... lol1

    With Russian Support, Syrian Army Advancing Toward Turkish Border

    The Syrian regular army and the National Defense Forces (NDF) militia have taken advantage of a recent large-scale campaign of airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces against terrorist hideouts in the northwestern province of Latakia, taking control of the Zahia Heights, just 2 km from the Turkish border, Fars News Agency reports.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151122/1030552490/syrian-army-advance-latakia.html

    Syrian sources in the region told the news agency that Army units have captured the Zahia Heights, a strategically important mountainous area near the town of Rabia, while making "major advances" in other parts of the province, over the past three days, assisted by last week's intensified campaign of airstrikes by the Russian air contingent operating in the country.

    The combined efforts of the Syrian Army and the NDF have resulted in the destruction of several bands of militants, together with their commanders, while damaging command and control centers and destroying the terrorists' military hardware.

    The territories in the north of Latakia are predominantly controlled by the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group, also known as Al-Qaeda's Syrian branch.

    Militants from Jabhat al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army, which is also believed to be operating in the area, are reported to have withdrawn from the al-Zahi Mountains and the town of Burj al-Zahi, with over two dozen militants killed.

    Meanwhile, Syrian Air Force planes have intensified their own campaign of air attacks in militant strongholds in the province, hitting positions in Dweir al-Akrad, al-Sheikh Yousef, Jabal al-Katf and Jabal Abu Hiddo, killing dozens of militants.

    Syrian sources also told Fars that Syrian troops have killed Zakaria Abdullah, a prominent al-Nusra commander based in the province.

    Elsewhere in northern Syria, in the nearby Idlib governate, troops from the SAA and the NDF are advancing toward the town of Jisr al-Shughur, located about 12 km from the Turkish border. The city is said to be controlled by a loose alliance of Islamist insurgents including Al-Nusra and the Ahrar al-Sham jihadist group.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:01 pm

    @ShahryarHedayatiSHBA

    In an earlier post you claimed that the US claims about the 4 crashed cruise missiles in Iran were correct and that it was
    Iranian services that covered them up. OK, then, why was the stealth cruise missile photographed and not covered up?
    As was noted by others it seems this dud was processed before the photographs were made. So you can't claim that it
    was intercepted by civilians first. I still call BS on anyone claiming that there were 4 duds crashed in Iran several weeks ago.

    Anyway, this is all valuable field operation experience for Russia. It is priceless and will be put to good use.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Sultan Erdogan be pissing gasoline... lol1

    With Russian Support, Syrian Army Advancing Toward Turkish Border

    The Syrian regular army and the National Defense Forces (NDF) militia have taken advantage of a recent large-scale campaign of airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces against terrorist hideouts in the northwestern province of Latakia, taking control of the Zahia Heights, just 2 km from the Turkish border, Fars News Agency reports.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151122/1030552490/syrian-army-advance-latakia.html

    Syrian sources in the region told the news agency that Army units have captured the Zahia Heights, a strategically important mountainous area near the town of Rabia, while making "major advances" in other parts of the province, over the past three days, assisted by last week's intensified campaign of airstrikes by the Russian air contingent operating in the country.

    The combined efforts of the Syrian Army and the NDF have resulted in the destruction of several bands of militants, together with their commanders, while damaging command and control centers and destroying the terrorists' military hardware.

    The territories in the north of Latakia are predominantly controlled by the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group, also known as Al-Qaeda's Syrian branch.

    Militants from Jabhat al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army, which is also believed to be operating in the area, are reported to have withdrawn from the al-Zahi Mountains and the town of Burj al-Zahi, with over two dozen militants killed.

    Meanwhile, Syrian Air Force planes have intensified their own campaign of air attacks in militant strongholds in the province, hitting positions in Dweir al-Akrad, al-Sheikh Yousef, Jabal al-Katf and Jabal Abu Hiddo, killing dozens of militants.

    Syrian sources also told Fars that Syrian troops have killed Zakaria Abdullah, a prominent al-Nusra commander based in the province.

    Elsewhere in northern Syria, in the nearby Idlib governate, troops from the SAA and the NDF are advancing toward the town of Jisr al-Shughur, located about 12 km from the Turkish border. The city is said to be controlled by a loose alliance of Islamist insurgents including Al-Nusra and the Ahrar al-Sham jihadist group.


    My impression is that the "rebels" are stretched thin. They will likely collapse in a spectacular fashion. Their success was a combination of Syrian army
    incompetence and full blown logistical support from the US and its pals. The Russian campaign has disrupted the key element in their success. In particular,
    the electronic warfare by Russian forces is doing its job undermining their communications not just between each other but with their foreign masters.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:09 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  sniper


    The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well. Russia is
    so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want. In the USA
    she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:09 pm

    There wasnt. The claims came from US and they couldnt stay consistant, Ashton was fumbling with his statement when asked.  The rest like police cover up is this Iranian members bullshit claim as there wasnt any photographs of it, for 4 missiles yet photos for 1. It is easier to cover up 1 than 4.

    The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  sniper


    The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well.   Russia is
    so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want.   In the USA
    she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.  

    That screencap can't be real, did CNN seriously air this BS? That would be most epic of fails even by their standards. Does anyone have original clip?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:51 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.
    And now IR authorities are using the same type of cover up again...
    The difference is this time some guy with his mobile phone takes some picture and then shared it

    Commander Says Drone That Crashed on Friday Was Iranian lol1
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940901001424
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:55 pm


    We still haven't seen two things:

    1) On-board footage from RU helicopters operating in Syria.

    2) Any footage related to Russian UAVs in Syria (no drones, no crews, no maintenance, no airbase, no control rooms, nothing...)
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:08 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    The authorities in Iran did stay consistent though in saying that there was no crash of a cruise missile of any sort.  Consistency is key here. Lack of evidence is also another.
    And now IR authorities are using the same type of cover up again...
    The difference is this time some guy with his mobile phone takes some picture and then shared it

    Commander Says Drone That Crashed on Friday Was Iranian lol1
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940901001424
    So then where are the 4 other missiles? If Iranian authorities are too incompetent to hide 1, then how did they manage to hide 4 and how come Ashton Carter fumbled with his claims if they were true?
    A picture speaks a thousand words. Statements are just statements and claims. Till you show us the other 4 claimed, this is the first cruise missile to fail.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:31 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

    The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

    Exactly , That's normal for man made Machines , that's the point i'm trying to make
    but our comrades here in russiadefence  are getting to much angry at me

    Normal Bullshit..

    You have provided no EVIDENCE that 4 cruise missiles crashed in IRAN in the first attack from caspian sea and you hold on that as if was a fact still today. Where is the evidence? Ambiguous press reports of local media is not evidence of anything.. show us the photos and we can end this argument.. if you have no solid evidence other than NOTHING , then stop making claims about Russian missiles crash. Evidence or stop claiming things you have nothing to proof it.  You also posted wrong information an outdated map of the progress of Russia in Syria,shows how little you care about providing real information, so far your post have been mostly misleading until now.. so warn people about any of your claims have to be double checked at least. It looks as if you are on a mission to downplay Russia technology or progress in Syria.

    and by the way.. one of the most advanved American stealth drone RQ-170,that was hacked by IRAN.. and largely propagandized by Iranian media , did not mentioned how Russia technology played the key role in capturing it.  It was not iranian technology who did it..

    So far we have one photo that appears to be real of one potential soviet cruise missile that crashed somewhere in some place in the world.. not yet proof it was IRAN.. but still is good information. Could have been auto destroyed after deviating from the correct course ,all should have that security measure ,That still is far from the 4 cruise missiles you claimed Russia lost in one day.

    and yes all technology human made ,drones and cruise missiles fails at times..
    but please next time ,stop claiming things as a fact when you have no real evidence ..
    circumstantial events of noises ,unverified media reports or strange objects ,fire balls that fall from the sky, anonymous sources is not evidence .Thanks


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    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  sniper


    The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well.   Russia is
    so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want.   In the USA
    she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.  

    That screencap can't be real, did CNN seriously air this BS? That would be most epic of fails even by their standards. Does anyone have original clip?
    Thankfully, they didn't. Look at the text. You can see it has been edited.

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