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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Confirmed Kh-55?
    The engine still looks in good shape.

    Is warhead safe enough to screw around with? I would keep my distance just to be on the safe side....

    Don't see warhead on those pictures. And nothing is safe when it did not work like intended that is why ROE teams are always called.

    The other thing i wanted to know is due the shape like KoTeMore mentioned it is pancaked that would pop up some questions, why is the missile not burned away or remains of fuel visible, warhead does not seem to be in those pictures just the rear engine part.

    Like no one can make more than two pictures to show the whole thing from different angles but are masters when it comes to making 1000 duck faces or other retarded pictures on twitter and co. Like KVS said they are somehow magically capable to know the exact location where Cruise missiles will pass by and provide footage of them without shacky cameras but in every other situation of claims they never are capable to hold camera still, provide quality above 144p or never show the entire damn thing. Core of that is everything that has remarkable low quality or is showing parts of it is already very suspicious in todays times. There are more mobile phones in Africa then their are people so don't tell me oil rich countries and regions don't spread mobile phones with cameras all through the region.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:49 am

    Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

    The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:05 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

    The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

    Exactly , That's normal for man made Machines , that's the point i'm trying to make
    but our comrades here in russiadefence  are getting to much angry at me

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    Post  Guest on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:46 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

    The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

    Exactly , That's normal for man made Machines , that's the point i'm trying to make
    but our comrades here in russiadefence  are getting to much angry at me
    Only two malfunctions is still phenomenal, even more so for a combat debut. If I remember correctly, there were plenty of Tomahawk missiles that didn't make it to their targets in both GW1 and GW2.

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    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:52 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Some cruise missiles will crash....so far they've only been 2 incidents that we know of, which is pretty good.

    The first one a few weeks ago was debatable but this one looks legit...no need to attack each other over it

    Exactly , That's normal for man made Machines , that's the point i'm trying to make
    but our comrades here in russiadefence  are getting to much angry at me
    Only two malfunctions is still phenomenal, even more so for a combat debut.

    If I remember correctly, there were plenty of Tomahawk missiles that didn't make it to their targets in both GW1 and GW2.

    So True...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:59 am

    Tu-22M airstrike near Deir Ezzor (Thayyem oil field)

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    Arrow http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.198851&lon=40.080142&z=15&m=b

    From this video (starts around 02:00)

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:24 am

    Guys,

    I think It would be good to re-post an earlier post regarding this matter of ordnance failure.

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:

    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?

    No more info available yet.

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA,

    Since you are from Iran, can you please dig out and post (a translation please) the news story about the time that at least an Iranian school kid got killed while playing with a "US" cruise missile that had crashed in southwest Iran.

    While you are at it, I'll try to write a post on the topic of munition failures (e.g., of Tomahawks and Mark 82).

    Where is it, ShahryarHedayatiSHBA?


    Munition failures:

    There has been a picture of an unexploded Russian FAB-500-M54 that is making the rounds. Well, ammunition failure happens, they must. However the Russian systems are very reliable; they rarely fail.

    By comparison, according to MSM, the "American" Mark 82, 83, and 84 have demonstrated a rate of failure to explode of around 50%.

    Now, for a guided weapon, there is an inherent probability of the weapon to miss. Apart from that, many weapons don't reach their targets due to failure or due to the countermeasures taken against them and against the systems they rely on.

    The figure of 15% provided earlier by KVS is only the Tomahawk's failure rate, probably an optimistic figure (from the missiles "point of view"). This means that 15% would have problems like their jet engines not starting. However, in Iraq, close to 0% of Tomahawks reached their targets. Of course, that was mainly due to them being jammed or shot down. Many of the jammed and zombified Tomahawks, would enter the Iranian airspace until they crashed. The sad story I mentioned is related to this latter fact.

    AGM-129 was even more failure-prone; according to USAF itself, it had a failure rate of 50% (of course, optimistically).

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:33 am

    Stealth kh-101











    KH-55











    So Russia gave her latest stealth technology to Iran
    Thanks Russia
    russia
    I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  whir on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:58 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon
    Expect Moscow asking for every tiny bit of debris and Iran willingly returning it as fast as they can, damaging relations for the sake of it at this point of the game has no sense.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:02 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys,

    I think It would be good to re-post an earlier post regarding this matter of ordnance failure.

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:

    The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
    http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/

    we need the debris's photo.

    and is there any more info on how many craters or mysterious explosions ?

    No more info available yet.





    Since you are from Iran, can you please dig out and post (a translation please) the news story about the time that at least an Iranian school kid got killed while playing with a "US" cruise missile that had crashed in southwest Iran.

    While you are at it, I'll try to write a post on the topic of munition failures (e.g., of Tomahawks and Mark 82).

    Where is it, ShahryarHedayatiSHBA?


    Munition failures:

    There has been a picture of an unexploded Russian FAB-500-M54 that is making the rounds. Well, ammunition failure happens, they must. However the Russian systems are very reliable; they rarely fail.

    By comparison, according to MSM, the "American" Mark 82, 83, and 84 have demonstrated a rate of failure to explode of around 50%.

    Now, for a guided weapon, there is an inherent probability of the weapon to miss. Apart from that, many weapons don't reach their targets due to failure or due to the countermeasures taken against them and against the systems they rely on.

    The figure of 15% provided earlier by KVS is only the Tomahawk's failure rate, probably an optimistic figure (from the missiles "point of view"). This means that 15% would have problems like their jet engines not starting. However, in Iraq, close to 0% of Tomahawks reached their targets. Of course, that was mainly due to them being jammed or shot down. Many of the jammed and zombified Tomahawks, would enter the Iranian airspace until they crashed. The sad story I mentioned is related to this latter fact.

    AGM-129 was even more failure-prone; according to USAF itself, it had a failure rate of 50% (of course, optimistically).

    This photo is 100 percent from Iran. try to google this picture and you will get your answer






    https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuGnt50yTt2MaScgLurEPff5Pk2JdUGjmbr7QCDq25MgX0hemnLwEcoaD2zkT6tBlDZ63fPsM8vabmO1lOvjE3WO3BWAqVTdx-I6XWOsiBPGO5XAiiCHlNkO72nvQqLHJz199DlYTGZ49effkjTNp9cQzXxSAHYUxMjwnt9p8YeuxUlU43sOhvn2aZu2_1N6SMNt9ESIKTn43BOMSEAnGOFUkkQ9BoiWwA1SbGWVp2aCx4hQzMo3WsegRa4Ki-97DUzN4aW5Fkjr2zy_1a_1eXL9UpLkaJiEtnTIZ6kJ4SJYTY1OHx0X4pLY-fNfSVTwpdTDisDfYDob1ZydNbkrK6vcMo3xj6VJpqG9K0Xm2YyIEyjbHz9opgYIyQJkS3k8rRKrcIg9PxSCzM-zXc_1EwBhPiSsrtsE4imXMC-1y1VtAAvT6LY27Ml2YT6A7wKsPxHe6gETWQZC-qR-OZNZIl6uIbCgkfpjq4mE4T2WmxNc6fulr0IeEYy6tOU1H7abvYzozo_1pOqBfQe7dEdxrVHJ0o88oabQcdzrzW-KkwAHjTiRaOG1y3KyN39JkC3EMjHXDGkLVvIKxkP88dPgtsKyT6ptFo2_1EW7uHnyomsQ74mWAlTVml1txBE3PZ3rl2zVOER7LlgTtyLavXg2PA0fgnypx-PsJ3utjr1D-wMCnEEhQwzdfNRRgf_1JCmh2kp8AIZfHuN1pR2E1vFAa_1X_1l3a9wJDXer3quk6Ju-SIYn1Ohy08078ycavyUCRtniOkYNJELoinO7JEH43cPCj1pVhpAZpT426DjPBHjv9npc8JGB3c4LIBFNCxPkVLCjam0xf9LzkOonUNtOyZFLf2nOHbjGLWWnSRynFLlN5KQg2ntjO-geXm4peZZE6SHjnwHavN2VCt3STpjIE5ZOi_1umLxSTKvlAWD7VJvX1Cn3GL28IYo0Q4bQChYHYb3b83X3KB-8nPSaxTWzDEHIqetqODcPBfcqs1LkFvYKypjLgvMx1FIUrqQYrCB_1XK_1d_13Z9bPCWWsXHSVtQRQTivzoVIysGYG2VtYnFjXpEMeLwAQOzOqb6GM5ca3Gu8hwH3LAsCAF6-ge6p3byaFKWtoqovwgVGzRlkl8qmcr_1SxsDlFthssxixFa0LV5Fg2HJ-97iXLHQbpDpgg862PBHbOPSegjNrSaGM3eM6Apnxaq5h-ao4u1P1qYJnmpL73Q124_1jM1vIY6VikngcCNO6Gtc7jujhooKgwpc1jPVHTYmPSYuNJiQia45xc5mO97bDvNplBhULkI1_1fFXJEq4EWXDd6dVM1lsV9HZT7x7GanP5TvWwlCMwQ8nKEdSPSOyYyE54abIAU2IC2DHJ89TXvq0WenbZAocLkucTgHzP3va6O9Zl4XK9e_17lYI1KtL4WdAvwJW6r0oRnHnK_14RBy1ZMVfBoPCKuvxyg&hl=en-IR


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:05 am

    whir wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon
    and Iran willingly returning it as fast as they can, damaging relations for the sake of it at this point of the game has no sense.


    No way... russia


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Acheron on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:05 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Stealth kh-101


    So Russia gave her latest stealth technology to Iran
    Thanks Russia
    russia
    I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon

    1) If a missile "pancakes", that't the shape you would expect it to have.
    2) I am sure that there is an agreement with Iran that all crashed objects are to be given back -> Iranian specialists are free to photograph it and examine, but it will most likely make its way back to Russia.
    3) Iranian specialists should prioritise work on aerial delivery vehicles for cruise missiles like Kh-55 and Kh-101, rather than the missiles themselves -> the state of the airforce is a major glaring deficiency (amongst others) of Iranian military.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Acheron on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:25 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    whir wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon
    and Iran willingly returning it as fast as they can, damaging relations for the sake of it at this point of the game has no sense.
    In your dreams... russia

    No, in your dreams...
    1) There is probably an agreement on recovery of crashed tech b/w Russia and Iran/Iraq/Syria already in place, before flights even commenced.
    2) If Iran will start having second thought about honouring said agreement and Russia firmly insists on the return of the missile, do you really think that the most likely outcome is that Iran gets to keep said missile?
    Really? There would be absolutely no long-term benefit in dishonouring the agreement, especially since there are potentially much more important military/economic/political deals b/w Iran and Russia on the line...
    Also, there is little chance Russia will just "lose" a missile and not care about it...

    I know you would like Iran to obtain modern missile techs, but there are better ways to do so, which do not require antagonizing the northern neighbour. Look on the bright side, at least the Iranians will be able to examine the missile before sending it off.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:27 am

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:This photo is 100 percent from Iran. try to google this picture and you will get your answer





    https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuGnt50yTt2MaScgLurEPff5Pk2JdUGjmbr7QCDq25MgX0hemnLwEcoaD2zkT6tBlDZ63fPsM8vabmO1lOvjE3WO3BWAqVTdx-I6XWOsiBPGO5XAiiCHlNkO72nvQqLHJz199DlYTGZ49effkjTNp9cQzXxSAHYUxMjwnt9p8YeuxUlU43sOhvn2aZu2_1N6SMNt9ESIKTn43BOMSEAnGOFUkkQ9BoiWwA1SbGWVp2aCx4hQzMo3WsegRa4Ki-97DUzN4aW5Fkjr2zy_1a_1eXL9UpLkaJiEtnTIZ6kJ4SJYTY1OHx0X4pLY-fNfSVTwpdTDisDfYDob1ZydNbkrK6vcMo3xj6VJpqG9K0Xm2YyIEyjbHz9opgYIyQJkS3k8rRKrcIg9PxSCzM-zXc_1EwBhPiSsrtsE4imXMC-1y1VtAAvT6LY27Ml2YT6A7wKsPxHe6gETWQZC-qR-OZNZIl6uIbCgkfpjq4mE4T2WmxNc6fulr0IeEYy6tOU1H7abvYzozo_1pOqBfQe7dEdxrVHJ0o88oabQcdzrzW-KkwAHjTiRaOG1y3KyN39JkC3EMjHXDGkLVvIKxkP88dPgtsKyT6ptFo2_1EW7uHnyomsQ74mWAlTVml1txBE3PZ3rl2zVOER7LlgTtyLavXg2PA0fgnypx-PsJ3utjr1D-wMCnEEhQwzdfNRRgf_1JCmh2kp8AIZfHuN1pR2E1vFAa_1X_1l3a9wJDXer3quk6Ju-SIYn1Ohy08078ycavyUCRtniOkYNJELoinO7JEH43cPCj1pVhpAZpT426DjPBHjv9npc8JGB3c4LIBFNCxPkVLCjam0xf9LzkOonUNtOyZFLf2nOHbjGLWWnSRynFLlN5KQg2ntjO-geXm4peZZE6SHjnwHavN2VCt3STpjIE5ZOi_1umLxSTKvlAWD7VJvX1Cn3GL28IYo0Q4bQChYHYb3b83X3KB-8nPSaxTWzDEHIqetqODcPBfcqs1LkFvYKypjLgvMx1FIUrqQYrCB_1XK_1d_13Z9bPCWWsXHSVtQRQTivzoVIysGYG2VtYnFjXpEMeLwAQOzOqb6GM5ca3Gu8hwH3LAsCAF6-ge6p3byaFKWtoqovwgVGzRlkl8qmcr_1SxsDlFthssxixFa0LV5Fg2HJ-97iXLHQbpDpgg862PBHbOPSegjNrSaGM3eM6Apnxaq5h-ao4u1P1qYJnmpL73Q124_1jM1vIY6VikngcCNO6Gtc7jujhooKgwpc1jPVHTYmPSYuNJiQia45xc5mO97bDvNplBhULkI1_1fFXJEq4EWXDd6dVM1lsV9HZT7x7GanP5TvWwlCMwQ8nKEdSPSOyYyE54abIAU2IC2DHJ89TXvq0WenbZAocLkucTgHzP3va6O9Zl4XK9e_17lYI1KtL4WdAvwJW6r0oRnHnK_14RBy1ZMVfBoPCKuvxyg&hl=en-IR

    I know that picture is from inside Iran. I knew that before you wrote your first post on the subject, but you didn't read my post.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:30 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    This photo is 100 percent from Iran. try to google this picture and you will get your answer





    I knew that picture was from inside Iran. I knew that before you wrote your first post on the subject, but you didn't read my post.


    .



    Sorry , my bad...

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  ShahryarHedayatiSHBA on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:32 am

    Acheron wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:
    whir wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon
    and Iran willingly returning it as fast as they can, damaging relations for the sake of it at this point of the game has no sense.
    In your dreams... russia


    I know you would like Iran to obtain modern missile techs, but there are better ways to do so, which do not require antagonizing the northern neighbour. Look on the bright side, at least the Iranians will be able to examine the missile before sending it off.


    Ok , I agree thumbsup

    Just one tiny piece of its radar absorbing body , please pwnd

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    Post  ult on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:56 am

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    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:25 pm









    See at 7:15 in this video terrorist flying across street after bomb. His Akbaring days are over.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:54 pm



    What you make out of this, Russian Special flight squadron TU204 flew from Moscow to Cyprus which France is to use as operation base for Syria operations. Some negotiations, exchange of intelligence officers?

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  whir on Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:14 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:No way
    You know I'm right, Teheran is not going to jeopardise it's access to Russian exports and the opportunity to show itself as a reliable partner.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:30 pm

    If it's the Kh-101, then it looks like it self-destructed in mid-air (probably went off-course). Note that the entire warhead section is missing, the closest section to it seen are the wings; which were situated around about the middle of the frame.

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    Post  ult on Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:49 pm

    Nice "allies" we have here... Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:24 pm

    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Stealth kh-101











    KH-55











    So Russia gave her latest stealth technology to Iran
    Thanks Russia
    russia
    I hope we will see the  Iranian version soon


    The control wings are a dead give away, should have looked closer. Oh come on guys, we knew this was going to happen anyway, there's much more to that cruise missile than some surviving debris and for your eyes only parts. It's normal that Iran will push that luck, don't forget guys, these are strategic partners, you don't treat them like lackeys. If I were Russian, I'd look hard on the decision to launch CM's from Iran, plus we all knew some CM's would hit the ground and not totally disintegrate, those missiles go straight to uncle Sam man, this at least goes to a so far reliable partner. So don't sweat it, it's better for Russia these got to Iran, that will help Iran have an better self defense inventory, you know after the S300 fiasco. Plus as Acheron said, you need a whole lot of work to have both a launch vehicle and even more to make it ground based.

    It's part of this war, and i also find it a bit special that we see Iran put their people on the line, but somehow we disrespect their sacrifice by playing petty games. I'm sure there's a gag order in Iran, and that they keep it up at their best capacity.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:30 pm

    The question you people should ask is why is the entire warhead missing while there is no crater. Those cruise missiles even when subsonic have quite significant speed and those that did not ignite would still fall down with some smaller crater and the warhead disappeared where? It has no system to eject warhead and leaven engine and fuselage alone so where is the warhead?

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