Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Anyway, I will stick to the topic at hand.

PapaDragon wrote:

Vann7 wrote:.....................................
Listen to what a pentagon retired 4 start general told in 2007
about US policies.



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SWEET JESUS!!!!

Vann, did you just quote this failed reality show host in order to prove a point? And you expect people here to take you seriously?

What is next from you? Reptilians?  

This are not reports of aliens.. but real People ,real Pentagon Generals telling in 2007
that US policies in the world were to destabilize the AFrica and middle east and that he saw personally papers of 7 countries that were planned to be invaded by the pentagon.

There was no civil war in Lybia in 2007. no war in Syria when he warned it will happen. and there was no violence in the countries when he saw the report.

What part of FACTUAL reports of Military generals ,that can be verified with reality  you dont
understand?

 What do reptilians have to do with this? Don't try to mix idiot conspiracies with facts. Don't be so short sighted. the world is not black and white. You can have truth and lies
mixed on internet..and everything he have said so far match perfectly the reality of what happened. Aside that he is not a computer animation hollogram..but a real Pentagon general
so he have some credibility more than any imaginary ghost or aliens.

Judge the content of what he says ,to reality. All the countries he mentioned experienced
civil wars or major unrest where US took a side Just like he Told . Stop interrupting intelligent discussions if all that you can do if bring as argument is foolish conspiracies.

Supposedly more Pantsirs on the way to Syria





They are too slow to move airdefence systems. I would have airlifted them on IL-76. Unless Russia impose no flyzone on Middleast it will be hard to get into the bottom of aircrash.

max steel wrote:Supposedly more Pantsirs on the way to Syria

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They are too slow to move airdefence systems. I would have airlifted them on IL-76. Unless Russia impose no flyzone on Middleast it will be hard to get into the bottom of aircrash.

That was a week ago Max, photo back a few pages now.

Interesting development if true

BREAKING: #RuAF Mi-24's action at Lebanon - Syria border gave de facto CAS to Lebanese Army in combat against Islamists near al-Qaa.
https://twitter.com/A_J_S_B/status/666033720672067584

jhelb wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

jhelb wrote:
Morpheus,

Any idea why Russia is using both Su 24 and Su 25 in Syria? IMO Su 25 ( backed by Su 30SM) is more than enough.

Jhelb,

I have to go to the office now, but I'll write about the subject as soon as I can.

No worries Morpheus. In case you get some time.Cheers.

I think it is just a matter of involving the various types to mimic their use in conditions corresponding to normal hostilities and to cater for balanced levels of training, accumulation of combat experience, asset utilization, etc. across the various grouping using these varied types.

For example, if they had used Su-25 but no Su-24 or Su-34, then the air groupings using Su-25 would gain all the combat experience and would be the only ones that would get run down through usage, while the Su-24 and Su-34 groupings would preserve their airframe time resources, but their crew would be left with no combat experience being gained by them during this action.

Also the special characteristics of different aircraft types can always complement each other just like in more conventional conflicts.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

jhelb wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

jhelb wrote:
Morpheus,

Any idea why Russia is using both Su 24 and Su 25 in Syria? IMO Su 25 ( backed by Su 30SM) is more than enough.

Jhelb,

I have to go to the office now, but I'll write about the subject as soon as I can.

No worries Morpheus. In case you get some time.Cheers.

I think it is just a matter of involving the various types to mimic their use in conditions corresponding to normal hostilities and to cater for balanced levels of training, accumulation of combat experience, asset utilization, etc. across the various grouping using these varied types.

For example, if they had used Su-25 but no Su-24 or Su-34, then the air groupings using Su-25 would gain all the combat experience and would be the only ones that would get run down through usage, while the Su-24 and Su-34 groupings would preserve their airframe time resources, but their crew would be left with no combat experience being gained by them during this action.

Also the special characteristics of different aircraft types can always complement each other just like in more conventional conflicts.

Do we know if the RuAF is running the hours up on just a few particular airframes (perhaps as an ad hoc endurance/reliability test)or have some of the original aircraft gone home so the hours are shared, perhaps by comparing the planes' numbers? I assume the aircrews are being rotated.

With development of French fighter jets to Syria, US is going to try it's dirty tricks. This is why Russia should increase the support to Syria and increase the number of fighter jets, military equipment, sorties and military aid to Syria.

From VT today, this is perhaps what generated the US strike on 100 oil trucks in the last 24 hours whilst the financing aspect was the probably the last thing the G20 wanted to have to face.

President Vladimir Putin says he’s shared Russian intelligence data on Islamic State financing with his G20 colleagues: the terrorists appear to be financed from 40 countries, including some G20 member states. During the summit, “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them,” Putin told the journalists.

Putin also spoke of the urgent need to curb the illegal oil trade by IS. “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products,” he said. “The motorcade of refueling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added, comparing the convoy to gas and oil pipeline systems.

It’s not the right time to try and figure out which country is more and which is less effective in the battle with Islamic State, as now a united international effort is needed against the terrorist group, Putin said.

No U-turn in Russia-US relations after Putin-Obama meeting — Kremlin. The meeting was constructive however

JohninMK wrote:From VT today, this is perhaps what generated the US strike on 100 oil trucks in the last 24 hours whilst the financing aspect was the probably the last thing the G20 wanted to have to face.

President Vladimir Putin says he’s shared Russian intelligence data on Islamic State financing with his G20 colleagues: the terrorists appear to be financed from 40 countries, including some G20 member states. During the summit, “I provided examples based on our data on the financing of different Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) units by private individuals. This money, as we have established, comes from 40 countries and, there are some of the G20 members among them,” Putin told the journalists.

Putin also spoke of the urgent need to curb the illegal oil trade by IS. “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products,” he said. “The motorcade of refueling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added, comparing the convoy to gas and oil pipeline systems.

It’s not the right time to try and figure out which country is more and which is less effective in the battle with Islamic State, as now a united international effort is needed against the terrorist group, Putin said.

No U-turn in Russia-US relations after Putin-Obama meeting — Kremlin. The meeting was constructive however

Brand X has publicly bragged for years that they are selling oil to their enemies. VVP seems to have presented photo evidence of this fact which in and of itself may have made for some red faces at G20. De facto, the revelations also sent a clear message that Russia has photo evidence of what happened with the Dutch aircraft and our airliner at Sharm el Shake, hence the quiet panic in Dutchland amongst other areas in regards to the selectively edited 'report' on MH17 and other recent transgressions by obviously known actors and entities.

What I like to remind people of from time to time is people who did not nice things during the war were getting quite dead through the late '60's, generally in Europe but in other locals of supposed safety and anonymity throughout the known and not so known world as well. Mother never forgets, nor, for that matter, did Rohm's boys.

In other news, NATO spy's are getting sloppy:

JohninMK wrote:No fear up there in the minds of the pilots regarding MANPADs. Showed a pair of Su-25 as well.

From a few days ago...trying to shoot down a Su-34

magnumcromagnon wrote:In other news, NATO spy's are getting sloppy:

You call that spying more of a political fanboy .
But what I like is what the hell are they both talking about ? Continously jabbering .

Mag your picture is 18+

max steel wrote:You call that spying more of a political fanboy .
But what I like is what the hell are they both talking about ? Continously jabbering .

Mag your picture is 18+

Are you really naive enough to think that any random somebody can just get through a high-security detail/clearance of a room full of world leaders without 'help' and 'special permission', in the age of 'The War on Terror'? Over the past 4 years the U.S. White House grounds has experienced dozens upon dozens of security breaches, and even blatant cases of the U.S. Presidential Security Service showcasing incompetence and mediocrity, combined with the fact that multiple headlines of secret documents revealing that the FBI/CIA/NSA has been spying on domestic and foreign leaders...this is hardly surprising for anyone who's been paying attention.

BTW The photo is a play on the infamous 'Sunrise Sushi' Logo:

Is interesting the way US navy is being deployed in the world..
Basically they are in defense positions and for the first time in history with no
Aircraft carriers in Europe or middle east.

This should be very strange in particular because US is in a war in Syria and IRAQ..
and their aircraft carriers could help in their illegal bombings.

from saker..



The only possible explanation to that is that US military believe there is a high possibility
of a major confrontation between Russia and US... either because the CIA/Turkey/Saudi Arabia attempt to attack another Russian plane from Turkey side or its base.. or because Israel could do it to frame Americans and get their world war 3.. that they so much want to provoke.. In any case is just shows the level of worried of what is going to happen the pentagon have.

NAturally near each aircraft carrier there is a battle group navy formation with submarines underwater and destroyers. So definitively from 1 to 10 it look like tensions are in an 8 from the military point of view. This is why people cannot be misleaded by what they see in front of
cameras. Putin can talk to any country in terms of partners and even shake hands with Enemies but the last thing Russia or Putin will do ,is reveal exactly what Russia is planning to do next.. if for example Russia is planning to retaliate any nation nased of the Egypt Sinai crash.  my best guess Israel ,Saudi Arabia or Turkey are directly behind it..with US help. But also Ukraine can be too connected.. Because thats how they operate.. If The CIA or Mossad wanted to attack Russia civilian plane they will not do it directly.. if they can,,to avoid risk a war with Russia.. instead they will hire another third player nation that Russia will prefer to not attack in that moments for many political or economic reasons.

about the video above of the SU-34?

If that video is correct.. and the the Russian bombers were fired 2 missiles?
Is that information is correct wouldnt that means the Rebels now have missiles
that can reach 10km altitude? that is real air defenses? not just manpads?

Because Russian bombers only fly beyond manpads range and the camera
was zooming a lot.. shows the attack could possibly happen at high altitudes.
and if that was a missile it was dangerously close...to the plane.

Vann7 wrote:
If that video is correct.. and the the Russian bombers were fired 2 missiles?
Is that information is correct wouldnt that means the Rebels now have missiles
that can reach 10km altitude? that is real air defenses? not just manpads?

Because Russian bombers only fly beyond manpads range and the camera
was zooming a lot.. shows the attack could possibly happen at high altitudes.
and if that was a missile it was dangerously close...to the plane.

Looks more like tracer rounds whizzing in front of the camera

sepheronx wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
If that video is correct.. and the the Russian bombers were fired 2 missiles?
Is that information is correct wouldnt that means the Rebels now have missiles
that can reach 10km altitude? that is real air defenses? not just manpads?

Because Russian bombers only fly beyond manpads range and the camera
was zooming a lot.. shows the attack could possibly happen at high altitudes.
and if that was a missile it was dangerously close...to the plane.

Looks more like tracer rounds whizzing in front of the camera

That is exactly what it is.  The Su-34 was flying relatively low and those are more than likely from a ZSU I suppose.

But there is no reason for an Su-34 to fly low.. since it can hit targets from high altitude with
precision. For target adquicition they use drones and satellite that can look clearly any movement of terrorist or trucks. In fact the camera used looks like it was zooming ,shows the plane was far.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

max steel wrote:You call that spying more of a political fanboy .
But what I like is what the hell are they both talking about ? Continously jabbering .

Are you really naive enough to think that any random somebody can just get through a high-security detail/clearance of a room full of world leaders without 'help' and 'special permission', in the age of 'The War on Terror'? Over the past 4 years the U.S. White House grounds has experienced dozens upon dozens of security breaches, and even blatant cases of the U.S. Presidential Security Service showcasing incompetence and mediocrity, combined with the fact that multiple headlines of secret documents revealing that the FBI/CIA/NSA has been spying on domestic and foreign leaders...this is hardly surprising for anyone who's been paying attention.

BTW The photo is a play on the infamous 'Sunrise Sushi' Logo:

every country carries its own entourage in such events. Must be Putin or Obama admirer. In the age of technology no one spies like that.

max steel wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

max steel wrote:You call that spying more of a political fanboy .
But what I like is what the hell are they both talking about ? Continously jabbering .

Are you really naive enough to think that any random somebody can just get through a high-security detail/clearance of a room full of world leaders without 'help' and 'special permission', in the age of 'The War on Terror'? Over the past 4 years the U.S. White House grounds has experienced dozens upon dozens of security breaches, and even blatant cases of the U.S. Presidential Security Service showcasing incompetence and mediocrity, combined with the fact that multiple headlines of secret documents revealing that the FBI/CIA/NSA has been spying on domestic and foreign leaders...this is hardly surprising for anyone who's been paying attention.

BTW The photo is a play on the infamous 'Sunrise Sushi' Logo:

 every country carries its own entourage in such events. Must be Putin or Obama admirer. In the age of technology no one spies like that.

Bullocks, no serious politician carries around 'roadies' like musician's, especially if they're eavesdropping on their idols and automatically become security liabilities because of it. Secret admirers, and Fan boys have been known to kill famous people that they've idolized, so what stops them from selling secrets they've heard on the 'grapevine' on the black market?

BTW NATO spies have been sloppy before:

https://www.rt.com/news/fsb-detain-cia-agent-253/

They do. Do you think Putin will come alone in such events or another g-20 leader. All carry their security team chief staffs or whoever is necessary like G-20 is basically for Finance Ministers of respective 20 countries. In case of nuclear nation I'm sure they carry their nuclear hand of death every time they go abroad.

max steel wrote:They do. Do you think Putin will come alone in such events or another g-20 leader. All carry their security team chief staffs or whoever is necessary like G-20 is basically for Finance Ministers of respective 20 countries. In case of nuclear nation I'm sure they carry their nuclear hand of death every time they go abroad.

Yeah, well how do you explain how the guy who was eavesdropping was urged to leave by security detail? Obviously he had no reason for being there, yet he was 'allowed in' by someone, and what politician brings around a fanboy that could cause a international incident? Espionage is espionage, and I don't think the 'fan boy' argument will hold up in court against serious espionage charges.

BTW, stop derailing the thread with irrelevant discussion of secret admirers, roadies, toadies, and fanboys.

So it's official, it's a terror attack, but the real question remains? How did UK intelligence services know it was a terror attack before the investigation was finished? Could it be that MI6 exposed themselves as secret handlers/case officers of ISIS?

Russian plane crash in Sinai a terrorist attack - Russian Security Service