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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:35 am

    Ye, that youtube and western propaganda is really bad. Where was the Palestinian flag when the jews have wiped out 3000 in air strikes on civilians for a phoney false flag of 3 little shit talmud kids that were killed by a jew?

    Where was the russian flag for the downing of the aircraft with russian citizens?

    Where was the Lybian flag when western empires have wiped out thousands of thousands of Lybians along with their leader who was the only good leader in entire fucking africa despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards? Most EU countries look like Sudan compared with Lybia under Gaddafi.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:23 am

    Werewolf wrote:Ye, that youtube and western propaganda is really bad. Where was the Palestinian flag when the jews have wiped out 3000 in air strikes on civilians for a phoney false flag of 3 little shit talmud kids that were killed by a jew?

    Where was the russian flag for the downing of the aircraft with russian citizens?

    Where was the Lybian flag when western empires have wiped out thousands of thousands of Lybians along with their leader who was the only good leader in entire fucking africa despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards? Most EU countries look like Sudan compared with Lybia under Gaddafi.


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    Basically the ISIS supporters ,US and its allies are trying to create an environment
    where France will be backed no matter which decisions they take.. So this could give
    France some kind of "legitimacy" to now violate international laws and Bomb in Syria
    violating the territorial integrity of them or even bombing the Syrian army if stand in the middle. The Authors of this terror attack whether is Israel or US or Saudi Arabia or even France.. have been trying for long to find a political "justification" for the creation of a no fly zone in Syria. and this terror attacks do exactly that . It remain to be seen in which
    direction France will go if will do as expected and join US fake war against terror or the Russian one.

    Mean while the so called "Russian Allies" , Brazil criticises Russia over Syria.
    But no complain about United States bombing in Syria.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/europe/165615/brazils-rousseff-criticises-russia-over-syria

    THis is why i believe BRICS have no future , you see all this nations in Brics that could do
    a difference in the world and choose instead to look to the sides whenever they see injustice
    in the world and crime. Hope brazilians kicks that women from power , is shameful her support to US wars in the world . The Only future Russia have is with Russia itself, and become and self sufficient and truly independent nation ,depending on no one ,because no one else
    will care about what happens in the world or support Russia if ever needs any support.
    Same with India and CHina they will do nothing and mind their own business when entire countries wiped from the world.
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    Post  par far on Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:35 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Ye, that youtube and western propaganda is really bad. Where was the Palestinian flag when the jews have wiped out 3000 in air strikes on civilians for a phoney false flag of 3 little shit talmud kids that were killed by a jew?

    Where was the russian flag for the downing of the aircraft with russian citizens?

    Where was the Lybian flag when western empires have wiped out thousands of thousands of Lybians along with their leader who was the only good leader in entire fucking africa despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards? Most EU countries look like Sudan compared with Lybia under Gaddafi.


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    Laughing

    Basically the ISIS supporters ,US and its allies are trying to create an environment
    where France will be backed no matter which decisions they take.. So this could give
    France some kind of "legitimacy" to now violate international laws and Bomb in Syria
    violating the territorial integrity of them or even bombing the Syrian army if stand in the middle. The Authors of this terror attack whether is Israel or US or Saudi Arabia or even France.. have been trying for long to find a political "justification" for the creation of a no fly zone in Syria. and this terror attacks do exactly that . It remain to be seen in which
    direction France will go if will do as expected and join US fake war against terror or the Russian one.

    Mean while the so called "Russian Allies" , Brazil criticises Russia over Syria.
    But no complain about United States bombing in Syria.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/europe/165615/brazils-rousseff-criticises-russia-over-syria

    THis is why i believe BRICS have no future , you see all this nations in Brics that could do
    a difference in the world and choose instead to look to the sides whenever they see injustice
    in the world and crime. Hope brazilians kicks that women from power , is shameful her support to US wars in the world . The Only future Russia have is with Russia itself, and become and self sufficient and truly independent nation ,depending on no one ,because no one else
    will care about what happens in the world or support Russia if ever needs any support.
    Same with India and CHina they will do nothing and mind their own business when entire countries wiped from the world.


    Very well said Vann, Brazil is in bed with the US, so we cannot expect any help from these assholes. China and India is the same and they only act when they are directly threatened. BRICS is only helpful to Russia in terms of trade and killing the petrodollar(don't know how much they support Russia here). BRICS can be a lot more helpful to each other but the thing is they are allies, not vassal states like US has with NATO.


    This is a must read.


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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:30 pm

    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:04 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    Unlike you i have a few friends that had to work there and told me enough stories how blacks are treated there, no such thing ever was the case in Lybia under Gaddafi. So you should stfu when you have no jack shit idea about the other side.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:22 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    My brother in law worked there in construction prior to Gaddafi being murdered. His statements were that (at least in Tripoli) it was very modern and very beautiful city where he never saw a homeless person and people generally were happy and quite friendly.  He cant go back now.  Although, I imagine many villages were not well off but various of Gaddafis policies helped Libyans a lot.

    Now that is all gone.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:31 pm

    Gaddafi's coup and later rule just happened to coincide with oil boom in Libya. It had nothing to do with some miraculous administrative skills of Gaddafi. Had Libya been ruled by Islamists (like KSA), the level of wealth would be similar.

    Gaddafi's Libya was really a typical ME oil sheikhdom, just more secular. Gaddafi achieved nothing extraordinary. Truly successful MENA countries are Turkey and Lebanon but certainly not Libya.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:16 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Gaddafi's coup and later rule just happened to coincide with oil boom in Libya. It had nothing to do with some miraculous administrative skills of Gaddafi. Had Libya been ruled by Islamists (like KSA), the level of wealth would be similar.

    Gaddafi's Libya was really a typical ME oil sheikhdom, just more secular. Gaddafi achieved nothing extraordinary. Truly successful MENA countries are Turkey and Lebanon but certainly not Libya.

    But Gaddafi did give some of that money to the people instead putting it all to Western banks and real estate.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:24 pm

    In UAE 50% of the natives don't work because everything is done by migrant workers and if they (Emiratis) want to study in the US, the state covers all their expenses - the same expenses that make American students indebted for decades. I guess it's similar in KSA, Qatar, Oman etc.

    Social freedom was the sole thing distinguishing Libya from Gulf sheikhdoms. Another socially liberal country is Oman.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:28 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:In UAE 50% of the natives don't work because everything is done by migrant workers and if they (Emiratis) want to study in the US, the state covers all their expenses - the same expenses that make American students indebted for decades. I guess it's similar in KSA, Qatar, Oman etc.

    Social freedom was the sole thing distinguishing Libya from Gulf sheikhdoms. Another socially liberal country is Oman.

    You think that is a good thing when foreigners make almost everything for your country? Because i doubt that you are raising generations with enough knowledge, eductional level and skilled workers when foreigners do all for you. What happens when all foreigners find work in their own country rather trying to work abroad? Then you are left with lobotomized population that has no jack shit idea to understand and differentiate their own ass with a screwdriver.

    The goal for every country should be to become as autonomous as possible to assure long lasting civilization. Civilizations die off because they reach decadency levels of non capable to survive their very own life style a very good way such garbage nations like UAE are, decadency is very well known there.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:36 pm

    Certain socio-cultural limitations prevent Gulf Arabs from creating functioning states on their own. - so they have to import foreigners to do everything for them.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:39 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Certain socio-cultural limitations prevent Gulf Arabs from creating functioning states on their own. - so they have to import foreigners to do everything for them.

    Nonsense.
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    Post  Fred333 on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:04 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Certain socio-cultural limitations prevent Gulf Arabs from creating functioning states on their own. - so they have to import foreigners to do everything for them.

    They could have used their oil wealth to overcome those limitations, instead... Well let's say it's an extreme case of Dutch disease. All the better for us though, imagine GCC were industrial and scientific powerhouses...Then again, that would probably mean that the population would be secularized and well educated. Oh well
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    Post  ult on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:13 pm

    Su-30SM dropping bombs.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:31 pm

    ult wrote:Su-30SM dropping bombs.
    No fear up there in the minds of the pilots regarding MANPADs. Showed a pair of Su-25 as well.
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    Post  medo on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    ult wrote:Su-30SM dropping bombs.
    No fear up there in the minds of the pilots regarding MANPADs. Showed a pair of Su-25 as well.

    I think they fly high enough, that they could not be reached by MANPADs. Good camera with good zoom could bring them far closer than they actually are.

    Anyway it is nice to see Su-30SM to do actual bomb attacks on terrorists. I hope red stars for 10 missions will be soon painted on them as well and this will be good for their export marketing as combat experienced version of Su-30.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:44 pm

    medo wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    ult wrote:Su-30SM dropping bombs.
    No fear up there in the minds of the pilots regarding MANPADs. Showed a pair of Su-25 as well.

    I think they fly high enough, that they could not be reached by MANPADs. Good camera with good zoom could bring them far closer than they actually are.
    Accepted, the cameraman seemed to have to wind it down to get the ground shots.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:42 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Gaddafi's coup and later rule just happened to coincide with oil boom in Libya. It had nothing to do with some miraculous administrative skills of Gaddafi. Had Libya been ruled by Islamists (like KSA), the level of wealth would be similar.

    Gaddafi's Libya was really a typical ME oil sheikhdom, just more secular. Gaddafi achieved nothing extraordinary. Truly successful MENA countries are Turkey and Lebanon but certainly not Libya.


    Remember that the western /Europe economy is controlled by United States. they can
    pressure any country in the west to do business or not with whoever they want. look at the
    mistrals that france wanted to sell to Russia but could not do it because of Americans exceptionalism.

    Turkey is most strategic important NATO partner and an historical enemy of Russia too..
    2+2= ?  . Now do the match how important is for US government to have historical enemies of Russia close to Russia borders with a prosperous economy and strong army this is very convenient because they could a strong Turkey super power and a spear head against Russia.
    For the only reason Turkey cannot produce nukes is because Russia could help IRAN to build nukes too. and not good for ISrael.

    Had Turkey was really independent and sovereign nation and was pro RUssia.. its economy will have been no different that the one in North Korea or IRAN. The Isolation of the Russia economy is an American Policy since America is a powerful country in the 50s. and it is their policy to weaken/to flood with NGOs to overthrow/to punish with sanctions/to invade directly or indirectly with mercenaries any nation that could help RUssia become a prosperous and a strong nation. So the whole discussions about Socialism vs Capitalism are pointless unless you discuss first American foreign policies.

    but don't listen my opinions.

    Listen to what a pentagon retired 4 start general told in 2007
    about US policies.



    From the horse mouth, He have another conference were he says he saw papers in the
    pentagon weeks after 9/11 2001 ,to overthrow /invade 7 countries in 5 years. for no other reason than to isolate Russia and CHina economies. Lybia ,Syria,IRAN ,Somalia,Lebanon,Sudan
    .but is a list that grows and can be modified with time.

    I tell people that they don't understand USA policies. they behave like a world Empire ,do things like a world empire and all its energies are 100% dedicated to destroy any nations who oppose them to have an absolute control of the planet and become a world dictator. There is no incompetence ,there is no mistakes (9/11 attack?) opps. France attacks?..there is no such a thing like failure or mistakes ,that is only the excuse they give to get away from the responsibility of their crimes. Ops weapons fall in the hands of ISIS. ops ISIS got control of a nuke..ops. US policy is designed to create endless violence and wars in nations not aligned with their Imperialism. ISIS and ALqaeda and all the violence in middle east ,africa and Afganistan are working as they intended. The only thing not working as intended for Americans is that Russia is more stronger than they thought and ruining the world empire plans. Also the palestinian conflict is the only conflict in the world that they have no control ,is more Israel policies.

    So Turkey economic growth and development have nothing to do with their corrupt government and politicians or the economic model ,but with American policies that have a huge influence over Europe and can tell them Do this or do that or dont do that because we say it. If turkey
    was a close ally of Russia it will be under economic sanctions..because for americans being a friend of Russia and helping a lot their economy 9is a crime.

    UEA is one of the major money laundering countries in the world and the human traffiqer.
    They are like the vacation place for western Elite. Is like a safe place that the western globalist mafia did not touch and keeps as a vacation refugee for the famous to rest in the middle east .
    there are several exclusive zones in the world that the western globalist have agreed to not destroy and use as an experiment or model to follow.

    However US economy now is not the same it was a decade ago,is in troubles and all those
    exclusive zones and unlimited help to other nations no longer can continue. Turkey will be replaced by Ukraine and privatized by western companies. will be the world first private country
    and western money will control fully all its policies.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:56 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Certain socio-cultural limitations prevent Gulf Arabs from creating functioning states on their own. - so they have to import foreigners to do everything for them.

    They could have used their oil wealth to overcome those limitations, instead... Well let's say it's an extreme case of Dutch disease. All the better for us though, imagine GCC were industrial and scientific powerhouses...Then again, that would probably mean that the population would be secularized and well educated. Oh well

    Blah, blah, blah, couldda, wouldda, shouldda....

    This is Russian intervention tread, stick with the topic.
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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:57 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    Unlike you i have a few friends that had to work there and told me enough stories how blacks are treated there, no such thing ever was the case in Lybia under Gaddafi. So you should stfu when you have no jack shit idea about the other side.

    Unlike me? You had friends that had to work there?
    Are you really this stupid?

    I'm South African you complete and utter idiot. South Africa was never a Dutch colony.

    You are the one that should STFU when you have no jack shit idea.
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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    My brother in law worked there in construction prior to Gaddafi being murdered. His statements were that (at least in Tripoli) it was very modern and very beautiful city where he never saw a homeless person and people generally were happy and quite friendly.  He cant go back now.  Although, I imagine many villages were not well off but various of Gaddafis policies helped Libyans a lot.

    Now that is all gone.

    Sepheronx, I'm not talking about Libya.
    I'm talking about Werewolfs gross ignorance in other matters. He has just put both feet in his mouth above, trying to tell me he "had friends who worked there, so now he's an expert" over and above people actually from there. It's hilarious. pwnd

    I've no doubt there were benefits and good things about Gadaffis Libya. I was raised with an open mind, and certainly am not one to swallow wholesale the tripe-filled agenda that is presented in the media.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:02 pm

    Vann7 wrote:.....................................
    Listen to what a pentagon retired 4 start general told in 2007
    about US policies.



    .......................

    SWEET JESUS!!!!

    Vann, did you just quote this failed reality show host in order to prove a point? And you expect people here to take you seriously?

    What is next from you? Reptilians?
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:03 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    Unlike you i have a few friends that had to work there and told me enough stories how blacks are treated there, no such thing ever was the case in Lybia under Gaddafi. So you should stfu when you have no jack shit idea about the other side.

    Unlike me? You had friends that had to work there?
    Are you really this stupid?

    I'm South African you complete and utter idiot. South Africa was never a Dutch colony.

    You are the one that should STFU when you have no jack shit idea.
    WTF has that got do do with the thread topic. Why not take your slanging match to PM?
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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:07 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    wilhelm wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:.. despite that little shit colony of the dutch South Africa that is propagated as being so prosperous and advanced with such high living standards?

    Rather the shut up if you have no idea what you're talking about. That way you won't come across as an ignorant stupid idiot.

    Unlike you i have a few friends that had to work there and told me enough stories how blacks are treated there, no such thing ever was the case in Lybia under Gaddafi. So you should stfu when you have no jack shit idea about the other side.

    Unlike me? You had friends that had to work there?
    Are you really this stupid?

    I'm South African you complete and utter idiot. South Africa was never a Dutch colony.

    You are the one that should STFU when you have no jack shit idea.
    WTF has that got do do with the thread topic. Why not take your slanging match to PM?

    Ask Werewolf. He brought it up... He's had friends that worked somewhere for a short while and now knows more about the place than a citizen from there as a result.
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    Post  max steel on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:10 pm

    As far as I know White people in S.Africa carry arms for their safety from blacks .

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