Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

zorobabel wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like Moscow has outmanoeuvred Washington again. Still no news of the similar list asked for by Moscow.

EDIT

Or maybe not

MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Russia’s, the United States’ and Saudi Arabia’s lists of Syrian opposition representatives who could be invited for talks with Damascus partially coincide, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday.

"We have prepared our vision," she told the Ekho Moskvy radio station. "It is not based on political speculation or political preferences. We have been working with these organizations, both in Moscow and in European capitals and in the Middle East, for four years."

"The lists partially coincide," she said, adding that the United States and Saudi Arabia had added some other organizations to their lists.

At a meeting of Russia, US, Saudi and Turkish foreign ministers in Vienna on October 29, the Russian side handed over to the partners a list of 38 representatives of Syrian opposition who could be invited for talks with the current Syrian authorities.

More at http://tass.ru/en/politics/833834

What seriously pisses me off is when she said that for Russia it doesn't matter if Assad stays or go.
What kind of an "ally" is that?

Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

Progress has been made.  But let us be realistic here.  Russia has to show the world that it isn't trying to keep Assad in but instead deal with these terrorists.  If and once the vote is in place where Assad stays, then guaranteed Russia will start striking everyone else that isn't on the side of Assad, as the voting will be the evidence needed to the world of Assad's popular support in the country.  An opposition can exist, as per Russia, so long as it is done the real democratic way - not taking up arms.

zorobabel wrote:
Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

zorobabel wrote:

Monarchist wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like Moscow has outmanoeuvred Washington again. Still no news of the similar list asked for by Moscow.

EDIT

Or maybe not

MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Russia’s, the United States’ and Saudi Arabia’s lists of Syrian opposition representatives who could be invited for talks with Damascus partially coincide, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Tuesday.

"We have prepared our vision," she told the Ekho Moskvy radio station. "It is not based on political speculation or political preferences. We have been working with these organizations, both in Moscow and in European capitals and in the Middle East, for four years."

"The lists partially coincide," she said, adding that the United States and Saudi Arabia had added some other organizations to their lists.

At a meeting of Russia, US, Saudi and Turkish foreign ministers in Vienna on October 29, the Russian side handed over to the partners a list of 38 representatives of Syrian opposition who could be invited for talks with the current Syrian authorities.

More at http://tass.ru/en/politics/833834

What seriously pisses me off is when she said that for Russia it doesn't matter if Assad stays or go.
What kind of an "ally" is that?

Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

Nothing to do with "progress", no one was expecting the SAA/NDF to become DNR or Northern Wind. They've done considerable damage and normally in december they will pick up a direction and bomb it hard. My bet is on the Idlib front.

They have only been fighting and slowly losing ground for 4 years while under an arms embargo... please!!!!!!! It takes time to rebuild, equip and train an army.

JohninMK wrote:

zorobabel wrote:
Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.

Pretty much this.

We're still in the first act. With the exception of a few areas, the SAA has been probing while the RuAF watches the reactions. It's baiting to get al nusra and ISIS to stick their necks out.

"Journalists Grill US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria"

Must see, literally.

JohninMK wrote:

zorobabel wrote:
Isn't it pretty obvious what is happening? The Kremlin had to try, but even with heavy airstrikes, close-air support, the support of thousands of Shia militiamen and Iranians, progress has been slow. In fact, very little progress has been made outside the South Aleppo front over the last month.

Not sure if you have read all this thread. Maybe you do not understand exactly what the RuAF have been doing this past month.

In particular, CAS does not appear to have been a priority from the evidence we have of their activities sop the current state of affairs is to be expected given the dug in and urban nature of the war. The impact of the RuAF will be felt over the next few weeks as the 'activists' run out of food, ammo, weapons, replacements, medical supplies, trucks etc etc. Plus their command, control and communications that would help those aspects has been seriously degraded. Oh and winter is on the way too.

I am not too familiar with local climate, is winter that much of a problem in Syria?

PapaDragon wrote:
I am not too familiar with local climate, is winter that much of a problem in Syria?

While winter is not harsh per our European standards (let alone Russian), it can have prolonged periods below 0°C and snowing isn't rare in most of the country (wet snow).
One of the zone of conflict, the mountain area between Israel Lebanon and Syria is cold enough to have winter sports installation...

But it's mostly a fairly heavy rain season.

As one can imagine, rain in that dusty weak soil lead to transforming vast swat of the country in a mud bath, which is never good for mechanized operations.

Militarov wrote:

"Journalists Grill US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria"

Must see, literally.

hA, How many Spokesman/woman are their in the State Dept? I'm losing track.

One more shot with flammable goodies.

Hmm... interesting if true

Militarov wrote:

Hmm... interesting if true

awesome, we'll see what happens.

Arena! Arena! Arena! Say bye bye TOW.

we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs

NationalRus wrote:we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs

I don't think it's Arena. I think thy simply got radar on board coupled with smoke dis chargers. Which should be enough againt thèse Tow teams as they don't seem to have the thermal sights.

Livestream from Latakia:

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151104/1029576636/hmeymim-airbais-russia-jets-sorties.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l6GWaDtxucM

Don't care where they are, just go for it and kill them all.

https://www.rt.com/news/320704-us-syria-ground-training-rebels/

KoTeMoRe wrote:

NationalRus wrote:we shall see indeed, Arena or Shotra are not easy or not cheap to put um and maintain and then to re-change if needed, maybe MOD wants a test by combat trial in Syria thats why they might do it on limited Tank numbers, you are crazy if you think every tank gets a system if even that.

the effective cheap solution would be ERA Kontakt-5 or Relikt with a tank cage around it, in combination this 2 things combined would make nearly every Tank survive, also would be easy to set up and maintain for the syrians themselfs

I don't think it's Arena. I think thy simply got radar on board coupled with smoke dis chargers. Which should be enough againt thèse Tow teams as they don't seem to have the thermal sights.

I dont think its Arena either, that would require some serious moneyz. Even worse that would require them to start its serial production first time ever... that does not happen over night even if product is simple water tap.

Russian Mi-24s in action over Palmyra

Militarov wrote:

ult wrote:

medo wrote:
Su-24 have 7 red star marks. What are they marking with them? Number of combat missions or targets destroyed?

I thought it was 1 star for 10 combat missions, but now I'm not so sure.

When operations started i posted source with SU34 pic (had 1 star) that claimed stars are given for 10 missions that include actual strikes/destruction of target. I got downvoted and slapped coz "Russian fighters only get stars for air victories".

But it could been also for major targets destroyed too.

Downvote all you want, i feed on fact how miserable you are.

"They did not destroy hospital, but...they are still guilty".. i love this logic.

An-30B scout plane in Latakia


http://mikael655.livejournal.com/27482.html

My guess is that VKS wants to get all possible mileage from old planes to free up space for new aircraft. Same with bombs.

Funny how all "experts" and "bloggers" out there seem to be unable to make this assumption and keep wandering about "Russia old planes hurr durr"...