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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA- Posts : 421
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:31 pm
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Russian Defense Ministry: Russian missiles found their targets in Syria, regardless of the expectations of the Pentagon
October 8, 2015, 21:37 Ministry of Defense shows a missile launching in Syria almost in real time, without concealing the effects of shock. This was stated by spokesman of the military department, Major-General Igor Konashenkov commenting appeared in the Western media about the allegedly fallen in Iran, Russian missiles.
"Unlike CNN, we do not talk, citing anonymous sources, and show launches of our rockets and affected by them targets in almost real time. I can not say anything, but any professional in this field knows that in carrying out such operations are always fixed the target image before and after the impact, "- he said.
The representative of the Defense Ministry said that over Syria clock working group of Russian drone." So, how would nor it was unpleasant and "surprises" for our colleagues in the Pentagon and Langley yesterday hit with precision weapons infrastructure LIH in Syria, still all running from ships missiles found their targets. It's a fact. Otherwise it would have to admit that located at a considerable distance from each other objects of terrorist groups in Syria yesterday LIH exploded themselves. And almost simultaneously ", - summed Konashenkov
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201510082137-e71w.htm
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .
Explosion of SLCM would be much bigger than that.
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It was a bit tongue in cheek but Russia is now allied with Hezbollah and Iran, two of Israel's bitterest enemies, in Syria. This means that Israel, defending what it sees as its prime interests, could come into conflict with Russia, especially down the line when/if ISIS is pushed back into the desert and Hezbollah starts thinking about going home, with a few new goodies.Rodinazombie wrote:
Err, what?
Israel has nothing to fear from russia, they are not enemies and you will never find them in a situation where israel needs to fear that they are in range of russian missiles. Plus, israel is made of stern stuff, if russia was swinging its long shiny missile stick around to try and scare them, im pretty sure the israelis would just tell them to piss off. I dont get why you think this had anything to do with it.
It is a measure of the level of concern of this occurring that the military delegation was at virtually the highest level possible. The meeting is potentially really good as at least the Russians are talking to one of the Israel/Turkey/US group and Israel has good military ties with the US.
EDIT
Just found this which is timely,
http://warisboring.com/articles/israel-worries-about-russias-intervention-in-syria/
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Stealthflanker Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:35 pm
That's one small crater for supposedly 450-500 Kg warhead.
Anyway.. unexploded ordnance is not rare... some US tomahawk also failed to explode.. Though it may have reached it target.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-militants-collect-unexploded-tomahawk-missiles-making-car-bombs-photos-610049
Anyway.. unexploded ordnance is not rare... some US tomahawk also failed to explode.. Though it may have reached it target.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-militants-collect-unexploded-tomahawk-missiles-making-car-bombs-photos-610049
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:39 pm
Forget that so called ''Iran's official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....
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State Department could not confirm reports of the alleged fall of the Russian missiles in Iran
http://ria.ru/world/20151008/1299045841.html
http://ria.ru/world/20151008/1299045841.html
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Stealthflanker Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:42 pm
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Guys, Forget that so called ''Iran's official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....
ew this will make verification bit complicated...
zg18- Posts : 888
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote: Guys, Forget that so called ''Iranian official statement''....the local news are all over it....meanwhile the security forces are trying to clean every piece of evidence in the crash site ....
Rogue missile is possible and nothing new as @Stealthflanker pointed out , point is Pentagon tried to spin it as "several missiles" and as you say Iranian local media reported one. Between one and several is big difference.
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NationalRus Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:47 pm
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .
dude think, think with your brain! wrackage carefully and immediately removed if it didnt exploded and what do you think a 450kg warhead on a 3M-14 would do if exploded? create a 2m wide hole? the shockwave alone would have blown away or severely damage 3/4 of the village houses in the background
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Rodinazombie Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:50 pm
All types of ammunition malfunction, i dont think anyone here really believes its beyond all realms of possibility that a russian missile went astray, it happens often, and not just to russians. The reason for the doubt, is that the americans are all over it and trying to propagandise it immediately. Considering they have zero credibility with us to begin with after their lies recently, they need to get their story straight and make it credible to have us believe it.
To join in the crater debate, do we have any photos of previous craters caused by these to compare to?
To join in the crater debate, do we have any photos of previous craters caused by these to compare to?
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .
Thats not evidence dude of a Club missile crash. i see nothing there..
you should stop spreading western propaganda here.. Where are the others 3 explosions?
a 500kg warhead will do much more damage than that.. There is nothing clear other than
the west is buthurt with Russia successful cruise missile attack on Syria and that they have
been humiliated by Russia blocking their war on Syria and no fly zone.
if weight alone is any indication the warhead of a Klub missile is more powerful than
a KAB-500 bomb.. that is only 380 kg its warhead.. Russia is mostly using Kab-250 on its
airstrikes and do a lot of damage. A Klub missile damage should cover and area
100 meters at least.
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Rodinazombie wrote:
Err, what?
Israel has nothing to fear from russia, they are not enemies and you will never find them in a situation where israel needs to fear that they are in range of russian missiles. Plus, israel is made of stern stuff, if russia was swinging its long shiny missile stick around to try and scare them, im pretty sure the israelis would just tell them to piss off. I dont get why you think this had anything to do with it.
Yup both of them are not hostile to each other but they have their differences unlike US and Israel. Well Russia can annihilate them not the latter ( a simple fact and their Missile defense system aren't capable against Russian arsenal. Let it be Barak-8 , David Sling, Arrow-2 is still a cagey product with no success and Iron Dome .
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:55 pm
Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....
The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
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PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:55 pm
zg18 wrote:iraqidabab wrote:Saudi wanting to step up supplies to terrorists Russia might just send an aircraft with ATGW to Houthis in Sana'a. This could easily become a wider dangerous war in the region and beyond.
I remember anecdote when some Yugoslav journalist told last US ambassador that "US will have war in Yugoslavia" , US ambassador told him "No , YOU will have war in Yugoslavia , it will not affect us".
I guess similar story can be said to Saudi Arabia , they have much more and will lose much more than Russia , Iran or even Turkey. There is no way you can destabilize most your neighbours and think you will be untouched.
Saudis have been in rough waters lately, even western journos have smelled blood in the water...
It’s Time for the United States to Start Worrying About a Saudi Collapse
http://news.yahoo.com/united-states-help-saudi-arabia-192926234.html
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PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 pm
zg18 wrote:ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:A missile seems to have failed and hit the ground near a village in takab .
Explosion of SLCM would be much bigger than that.
Agreed, this is tiny...
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:57 pm
The news about crashed object has been confirmed by Islamic republic news agency...
http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/81789206/
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Does the U.S. release the actual hit rate for cruise missile strikes in wartime conditions at ranges of 1,500 km ? I guarantee you not all the missiles make it. Even if the purported figure of 4 missiles out of 26 failed, that still means 22 made it. A 15% failure rate for a relatively new design is not that bad.
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....
The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
Clearly you are a troll.. There is nothing there that suggest a Klub missile crashed on IRAN.
Russia told all their missiles landed on its targets .and have no reason why to believe Russia is lying about verifying it or believe the fantasy conspiracy tales from you.
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PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:02 pm
Guys, judging from the comment sections in MSM these last few days I have a feeling that sales of Russian flags and t-shirts in Europe and even North America will soon go trough the roof!!!
Maybe we should all invest?
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For comparision reasons, here a crater created by ZOF-74 He-Frag shell.
4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.
4m radius, 1.2m depth crater.
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Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #3
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:04 pm
Vann7 wrote:ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Clearly the Iran's government are trying to cover this thing up .....
The crash has been confirmed by the governor of takab county and the crash derbies has been found there too
به گزارش ایرنا، ایرج ثقفی با اشاره به ادامه بررسی های کارشناسی برای مشخص شدن ماهیت و علت سقوط این شی پرنده گفت: به طور قطع نمی توان گفت که این شیء پرنده پهپاد بوده است ولی قطعاتی از لاشه آن در محل سقوط موجود است.
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
Clearly you are a troll..
Thank you
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PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:05 pm
US Launches Two Airstrikes in Syria Amid Simultaneous Russian Operation
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151008/1028229637/us-airstrikes-syria-iraq.html#ixzz3o0bUxOO8
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sepheronx Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:06 pm
If a cruise missile like Klub crashed there, not only would the blast be massive, but debris would have been found. And as well, if 4 of them were crashed, we would definately have evidence, much like the debre found in Syria of Klub. As well, many people would have felt it and it would have indeed blown out windows of cars and buildings nearby. As well, with 4 of them, we would have pictures if they claim the debris has been found, which we dont. For all we know, it was a drone flying cause that hole is pretty darn small for a 400kg warhead.
It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.
It would be easy to cover up 1 mishap. But 4 of them? No. As well, Rus gov would have reported it immediately especially fact of the political effects of such a disaster.
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max steel Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:08 pm
Putin has got the US administration so discombobulated, they don't know whether to run, shit, or go blind. 
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