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max steel wrote:Read the link they have mentioned Yasen Class sub will have such features .
I hate to admit but you are right
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Russian Navy: Status & News #2
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I hate to admit but you are right
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yesterday when I posted vice article on Chinese supercavitating sub and russian shkval being called as BS . I guess someone from Russia was reading it !The new Russian torpedo: ‘Skhval’ 2.0?
Shamil Aliev, Chief designer at Dagdiesel factory in southern Russia’s sunny Daghestan, announced on a sunny morning that his company was working on building “high precision underwater weapons.”
He mentioned special features incorporated in the new torpedo; high noise immunity, artificial intelligence, and a digital control system; but Aliev declined to speak about other details, citing the secrecy of the programme. These weapons, he said, would combine in themselves reconnaissance, observation, and misguidance functions along with the means for direct destruction.
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I was just recently wondering about the progress of Admiral Nakhimov. Does anyone have any updates on the work being done?
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Actually I was thinking about drone submarines and realised... there is no reason they have to be filled with air like a manned sub... as such you could design an unmanned sub that is near impossible to destroy with conventional weapons.
Most western torpedoes have been designed with a shaped charge warhead which punches a fairly small hole in the side of the sub and the water pressure does the rest, but with a water filled sub it would punch a hole in the side but not really do much else. In other words it would have to hit and destroy something like propulsion or weapons or sensors to actually do some damage and with a fairly big robot sub it might get hit dozens of times without hitting anything critical...
Most western torpedoes have been designed with a shaped charge warhead which punches a fairly small hole in the side of the sub and the water pressure does the rest, but with a water filled sub it would punch a hole in the side but not really do much else. In other words it would have to hit and destroy something like propulsion or weapons or sensors to actually do some damage and with a fairly big robot sub it might get hit dozens of times without hitting anything critical...
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Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
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Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
Indeed butt amount is significantly smaller and because of relatively small hull probably can be much stronger. Instead of break the hull it can be just pushed away. If electronic will be shock resistant nothin serious shall happen.
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The Russian Navy by 2020 will receive a large landing ship of the new generation
So helicopter carrier underway ?
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html#ixzz3clXA44Rd
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html
So helicopter carrier underway ?
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html#ixzz3clXA44Rd
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html
MOSCOW, June 11 - RIA Novosti. The Navy Russia by 2020 will replenish a large landing ship (BDK) of new generation, said Thursday the head of the ship of the Russian Navy captain Vladimir rag-pickers.
In Kaliningrad Shipyard "Yantar" on Thursday, an official ceremony for the first batch BDK project 11711 titled "Peter Morgunov."
"In the next 5 years will be deployed construction of a new generation of large amphibious ships ... The first such large landing ship is planned to build by 2020" - said the rag-pickers.
He added that the next generation of ships will greatly exceed the BDK is now under construction on the tonnage and desantovmestimosti and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.
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It could be built neutrally buoyant, with a few compressed air cylinders filled with liquid nitrogen that could fill bags with nitrogen gas when surfacing is required...
Note most submarines are vulnerable because the insides contain air which is easily compressible... compared with the water outside the vessel which does not compress.
the result is devastating because when the warhead explodes against the hull of the sub the metal behind the point of the explosion can easily compress inwards while the huge mass of water behind the explosive charge on the outside of the sub is not compressible and reflects the explosion back into the hull of the sub.
Double hulled subs can have water on both sides of the outer hull so the outer metal hull is supported by several metres of incompressible water behind it, but a single hull has compressible air which of course immediately collapses and compresses... followed by a flood of water at high pressure...
Sounds like Mistral II.
Note most submarines are vulnerable because the insides contain air which is easily compressible... compared with the water outside the vessel which does not compress.
the result is devastating because when the warhead explodes against the hull of the sub the metal behind the point of the explosion can easily compress inwards while the huge mass of water behind the explosive charge on the outside of the sub is not compressible and reflects the explosion back into the hull of the sub.
Double hulled subs can have water on both sides of the outer hull so the outer metal hull is supported by several metres of incompressible water behind it, but a single hull has compressible air which of course immediately collapses and compresses... followed by a flood of water at high pressure...
and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.
Sounds like Mistral II.
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in some experiments they used to fill vehicle it with oil , electrical insulating transformator-oil that is.Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
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Rmf wrote:in some experiments they used to fill vehicle it with oil , electrical insulating transformator-oil that is.Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
That's true, heared about a method they used with TV's in oil containers for forest workers in brazil where the humidity percentage is so high that most TV's would short circuit themselfs.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:The Russian Navy by 2020 will receive a large landing ship of the new generation
So helicopter carrier underway ?
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html#ixzz3clXA44Rd
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html
MOSCOW, June 11 - RIA Novosti. The Navy Russia by 2020 will replenish a large landing ship (BDK) of new generation, said Thursday the head of the ship of the Russian Navy captain Vladimir rag-pickers.
In Kaliningrad Shipyard "Yantar" on Thursday, an official ceremony for the first batch BDK project 11711 titled "Peter Morgunov."
"In the next 5 years will be deployed construction of a new generation of large amphibious ships ... The first such large landing ship is planned to build by 2020" - said the rag-pickers.
He added that the next generation of ships will greatly exceed the BDK is now under construction on the tonnage and desantovmestimosti and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.
Interesting.
I wonder which design they went for?
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Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km
Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance
Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance
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Viktor wrote:Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km
Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance
I wonder if they are doing something also in the Baltic as the Finns were complaining about finding some mysterious cables.
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franco wrote:Viktor wrote:Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km
Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance
I wonder if they are doing something also in the Baltic as the Finns were complaining about finding some mysterious cables.
I was thinking the same thing when I read that report
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Example of an underwater survelillance-detection system from the "Atol" institute...all the components in the link below
http://www.niiatoll.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=469
http://www.niiatoll.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=469
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Sorry if anyone has posted it and I failed to notice that...
http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/how-the-ukraine-crisis-interrupts-putins-naval-dreams/
Basically the article's opinion is this: Russia is depending on a number of Ukrainian parts of the shipbuilding sector, and a bad Russo-Ukraina relationship is harming the proccess of building Russian Navy.
http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/how-the-ukraine-crisis-interrupts-putins-naval-dreams/
Basically the article's opinion is this: Russia is depending on a number of Ukrainian parts of the shipbuilding sector, and a bad Russo-Ukraina relationship is harming the proccess of building Russian Navy.
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Russia developing fifth-generation nuclear subs — design bureau
According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050
PARK PATRIOT (Moscow region), June 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Malakhit Marine Engineering Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) is already working on the project for the construction of fifth-generation nuclear submarines, the company’s CEO Vladimir Dorofeyev told TASS on Tuesday.
"The work on the fifth generation of submarines is already underway. The project will be implemented after the Yasen nuclear submarine construction project is completed," he said.
According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050.
Dorofeyev said that the fifth-generation submarines will be based on the network centric system. The boats’ dimensions and speed, although remaining significant parameters, will cease to be of prime importance. "The reactor [of the subs] will be certainly based on new principles, but there will be no revolution, and it is not needed after all," he added.
According to him, another important feature will be the new submarine’s coating and new technology of its production.
In March, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Viktor Chirkov told reporters that the navy men had already commissioned the defence industry to develop fifth-generation nuclear submarines.
According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050
PARK PATRIOT (Moscow region), June 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Malakhit Marine Engineering Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) is already working on the project for the construction of fifth-generation nuclear submarines, the company’s CEO Vladimir Dorofeyev told TASS on Tuesday.
"The work on the fifth generation of submarines is already underway. The project will be implemented after the Yasen nuclear submarine construction project is completed," he said.
According to him, the new boats will be built within the timeframe approved by the military shipbuilding programme for the period until 2050.
Dorofeyev said that the fifth-generation submarines will be based on the network centric system. The boats’ dimensions and speed, although remaining significant parameters, will cease to be of prime importance. "The reactor [of the subs] will be certainly based on new principles, but there will be no revolution, and it is not needed after all," he added.
According to him, another important feature will be the new submarine’s coating and new technology of its production.
In March, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy Viktor Chirkov told reporters that the navy men had already commissioned the defence industry to develop fifth-generation nuclear submarines.
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Central Marine Design Bureau "Almaz" will create a new corvette for the Russian Navy on the basis of export Project 20382 "Tiger"
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Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930072.html
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930072.html
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Nice, Mack.
Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?
It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.
Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?
It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.
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the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less
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There's a bit more info on the ship from http://forums.airbase.ru
Project "Priboj" by Neva design bureau
(initial estimates):
- 14 000t displacement
- max speed: 20 knots
- range: 6000 nautical miles (can remain 60 days at sea)
- airwing: 8 x helicopters
- 4 x landing craft pr. 11770 Serna or 2 x pr. 12061 Murena hovercraft
- can transport up to 60 vehicles
- Pantsir-M airdefence system
The decision to build the ship will be taken after the completion of the project. The General Command of the Navy expects that for the needs of the Russian fleet will be built at least four such ships.
Project "Priboj" by Neva design bureau
(initial estimates):
- 14 000t displacement
- max speed: 20 knots
- range: 6000 nautical miles (can remain 60 days at sea)
- airwing: 8 x helicopters
- 4 x landing craft pr. 11770 Serna or 2 x pr. 12061 Murena hovercraft
- can transport up to 60 vehicles
- Pantsir-M airdefence system
The decision to build the ship will be taken after the completion of the project. The General Command of the Navy expects that for the needs of the Russian fleet will be built at least four such ships.
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I like the LHD. Russ bear look ! 
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wilhelm wrote:Nice, Mack.
Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?
It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.
No differ the Moska Kiev class
I think proven design it ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev-class_aircraft_carrier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskva-class_helicopter_carrier
Deputy Chairman of the Industry Committee of the State Duma Vladimir Gutenev noted that in the case of the need for a ship like "Mistral" for the Armed Forces, it would be "similar in size of the planes, but the nuclear power plant", which will equip the Russian industry "air defense and antisubmarine defense.
РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150526/1066636532.html#ixzz3dIX3nOrD
I read the note. atomic !
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