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Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
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http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1316546.html (Google translate)
And this one from 29 April has the first 2 engines going in http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1281416.html
Says something about the engines being 6mths ahead of schedule.
Today shipbuilders Company completed the loading of the last two engines in the aft engine room of the corvette. Earlier, in late April, to "Gremyashchy" loaded engines in his nasal engine room.
And this one from 29 April has the first 2 engines going in http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1281416.html
Says something about the engines being 6mths ahead of schedule.
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
max steel Sun May 22, 2016 12:01 am
Russian engines fitted to Project 20385 corvette, as import substitution efforts pay off
Russia has installed indigenous engines on its first Project 20385 multirole corvette, as the nation builds workarounds to the sanction regimes that have partially crippled its naval construction.
Two Russian-made 1DDA-12000 diesel turbines from Kolomna Plant were installed on lead-vessel Gremyashchy at Severnaya Verf in St Petersburg on 19 May, the shipyard announced.
Gremyashchy was originally designed to receive MTU diesel engines from Germany. But EU sanctions imposed over the Ukraine crisis forced Russia to suspend the vessel's construction in 2015 until a new engine could be found.
The Project 20385 class is a larger and improved derivative of the Project 20380 and Project 20381 design (Steregushchiy-class) corvettes, all of which are intended to replace Russia's Project 1124/1124M (Grisha-class) anti-submarine warfare corvettes.
Russia has installed indigenous engines on its first Project 20385 multirole corvette, as the nation builds workarounds to the sanction regimes that have partially crippled its naval construction.
Two Russian-made 1DDA-12000 diesel turbines from Kolomna Plant were installed on lead-vessel Gremyashchy at Severnaya Verf in St Petersburg on 19 May, the shipyard announced.
Gremyashchy was originally designed to receive MTU diesel engines from Germany. But EU sanctions imposed over the Ukraine crisis forced Russia to suspend the vessel's construction in 2015 until a new engine could be found.
The Project 20385 class is a larger and improved derivative of the Project 20380 and Project 20381 design (Steregushchiy-class) corvettes, all of which are intended to replace Russia's Project 1124/1124M (Grisha-class) anti-submarine warfare corvettes.
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Good to see the Russian diesels make it back into the projects. 
Hope we see it repeating in the cases like Pr.12150 Mangust class patrol boats in which the Russian Zevzda diesels (M470MK) was replaced by the German units for "engaging our German partners" as if engaging the Ukranian partners over the decades were not enough.
Hope we see it repeating in the cases like Pr.12150 Mangust class patrol boats in which the Russian Zevzda diesels (M470MK) was replaced by the German units for "engaging our German partners" as if engaging the Ukranian partners over the decades were not enough.
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It was more about "engaging our German partners" in a mutually binding cooperation (which now we know was crap) rather than not having in-house capability.sepheronx wrote:
I got a question though: If these engines are indeed fully Russian built and has been for years as Militarov states, then how come they are talking of it as part of import substitution since these engines were apparently built for Steregushchiy corvettes as well:
http://survincity.com/2012/04/kolomna-plant-sent-to-the-shipyard-diesel-diesel/
http://articles.maritimepropulsion.com/article/Russian-Corvette-Steregushchiy-1081.aspx
So how come this is news now?
+1kvs wrote:The Gremyashchy class corvette was supposed to use the German MTU engines in a CODAD configuration (two diesel engines for a single propeller).
So now the MTU engines have been replaced with Russian built ones. There was lots of stink about the loss of access to the MTU
engines as something that would leave Russia dead in the water as well. As if Russia's can't build diesel engines.
Still no news in the aviation sector regarding replacing the French engine with Klimov's VK-800 engine. The development/certification of this engine should have been fast tracked once the French imposed sanctions and withdrew from the Mistral deal. Hope the big deal of 200 x Ka-226 for Indian Army aviation does not go ahead with the French engine and Russia certify and demonstrate the helo (on own capacity) in time with the Klimov engine.
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I feel that "old" stuff could have been avoided.
For instance almost all diesel engines and gas turbines are from from "old" technology. I see no one mentioning "old" when talking about the GE LM2500 even though its origin is from 60-70s.
Also, there is another old stuff from Russia the V-46 and its versions like V-84 and successors like the V-92S2, V-92S2F powering the MBTs. So in a sense we can say the same about 16D49.
I believe MTU came in (like all other western) due to the in-built promoters for such wares who might have got "motivational stuffs" from the western suppliers and those who want to take the short cut on financing and in-house development and take the easy path of importing there by further stagnating the growth of in-house products. A good example is the Tu-204. Did Russia stop buying commercial aircraft in the 90s? No. But they did not opt for the Tu-204. This is what Aviastar-SP has on its timeline....Tu-204 was very unfortunate.
Ulyanovsk Aviation Industrial Complex/Aviastar-SP
There are two types turbines - gas turbines (conventional) and steam turbines (nuclear).
For instance almost all diesel engines and gas turbines are from from "old" technology. I see no one mentioning "old" when talking about the GE LM2500 even though its origin is from 60-70s.
Also, there is another old stuff from Russia the V-46 and its versions like V-84 and successors like the V-92S2, V-92S2F powering the MBTs. So in a sense we can say the same about 16D49.
I believe MTU came in (like all other western) due to the in-built promoters for such wares who might have got "motivational stuffs" from the western suppliers and those who want to take the short cut on financing and in-house development and take the easy path of importing there by further stagnating the growth of in-house products. A good example is the Tu-204. Did Russia stop buying commercial aircraft in the 90s? No. But they did not opt for the Tu-204. This is what Aviastar-SP has on its timeline....Tu-204 was very unfortunate.
Ulyanovsk Aviation Industrial Complex/Aviastar-SP
1986-1990 - Start-up of the main production facilities, launch production of passenger aircraft Tu-204
17.08.1990 - The first flight of passenger aircraft Tu-204 manufactured by Ulyanovsk Aviation Industrial Complex, marking the beginning of the family of passenger and cargo aircraft.
12.02.1993 - The first middle-range freighter Tu-204 with PS-90A engines was manufactured.
Are you sure that Russia have no marine turbines in production?Militarov wrote:Both М70ФРУ and М75РУ are using some Ukrainian components. At this moment Russia does not have navalised turbine engine in production on its own, production in Rybinsk is yet to start when all components beside actual turbine are being replaced with domestic ones. In late 2014. it was annoynced that replacement of those components will happen in "2 to 3 years".
There are two types turbines - gas turbines (conventional) and steam turbines (nuclear).
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
PapaDragon Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:02 pm
According to this, engines will be made by NPO Saturn:
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1541729.html
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
JohninMK Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:57 pm
This is probably the wrong thread for this. Bit I wonder which is correct? The Ukrainian engines, possibly already built, would be a knockout rice. This is your link YandexedPapaDragon wrote:
According to this, engines will be made by NPO Saturn:
http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1541729.html
19.10.2016.
NPO "Saturn" will manufacture gas turbine engines for a new series of frigates of project 11356, designed for export to India. Anti-ship missiles will put BrahMos Aerospace.
"Gas turbine engines for ships, at least for those that will be built at the Kaliningrad shipyard "Yantar", make "Saturn", - said FlotProm source in the enterprise. Thus, Russia will supply the Indian side fully equipped frigates.
In addition, the ships will be armed with anti-ship missiles "BrahMos", developed jointly by Russian and Indian military Industrialists.
"Three Indian frigates of project 11356 and type "Talwar" the missiles already installed, - said the representative of BrahMos Aerospace Praveen Pathak. - Ships to be built in the framework of the signed contract, will also have a Russian-Indian missile".
The intergovernmental contract for the technical assistance of Indian side in setting up production of frigates of project 11356 was signed on 15 October at the BRICS summit held in the Indian state of Goa. According to the agreement, two ships will be built in Russia at the Baltic shipyard "Yantar", and another two in India.
We also add that in addition to the three frigates of project 11356 for the Indian Navy weapons consist of six frigates type "Talwar", designed by Northern design Bureau and built at the Baltic factory "Amber". It is based on the experience of the construction of the "Calvaro" was developed by the Russian project 11356 frigates.
PS: Personally, I hope that the UEC enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" from the Russian city of Nikolaev in due time will be a reliable supplier of gas turbines for the Navy.
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JohninMK wrote:
PS: Personally, I hope that the UEC enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" from the Russian city of Nikolaev in due time will be a reliable supplier of gas turbines for the Navy.[/i]
For some reason this company is being treated in media coverage as Ukrainian. Looks to me like another NATO propaganda scam. There
is probably some Banderastani fraud outfit that is claiming to be the "true" Zorya-Mashproekt with its own fancy website and all which is being
treated as if it was the real deal. Next step is to sue Russian companies in some BS NATO arbitration "court" for intellectual property theft.
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
KiloGolf Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:43 pm
kvs wrote:JohninMK wrote:
PS: Personally, I hope that the UEC enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" from the Russian city of Nikolaev in due time will be a reliable supplier of gas turbines for the Navy.[/i]
For some reason this company is being treated in media coverage as Ukrainian. Looks to me like another NATO propaganda scam. There
is probably some Banderastani fraud outfit that is claiming to be the "true" Zorya-Mashproekt with its own fancy website and all which is being
treated as if it was the real deal. Next step is to sue Russian companies in some BS NATO arbitration "court" for intellectual property theft.
I thought Zorya-M was based in Nikolaev, Ukraine. It's Ukrainian, right?
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KiloGolf wrote:kvs wrote:JohninMK wrote:
PS: Personally, I hope that the UEC enterprise "Zorya-Mashproekt" from the Russian city of Nikolaev in due time will be a reliable supplier of gas turbines for the Navy.[/i]
For some reason this company is being treated in media coverage as Ukrainian. Looks to me like another NATO propaganda scam. There
is probably some Banderastani fraud outfit that is claiming to be the "true" Zorya-Mashproekt with its own fancy website and all which is being
treated as if it was the real deal. Next step is to sue Russian companies in some BS NATO arbitration "court" for intellectual property theft.
I thought Zorya-M was based in Nikolaev, Ukraine. It's Ukrainian, right?
OK, that would be more consistent. So this article messed up the location.
But with a lot of these "Ukrainian" companies, the enterprise was a deep joint venture with Russian firms and the products were
sold to Russia. A legacy of the USSR era. These Ukrainian companies are screwed totally thanks to the Banderatards in charge
in Kiev with Uncle Scumbag's hand firmly up their sock puppet asses.
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Project Canada Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:12 am
Issue in Russian gas turbines for the Ukrainian Navy, instead will start in 2017
Serial production of gas turbine units (GTU) for the ships of the Russian Navy in return GTU Ukrainian production will be launched in Rybinsk by the end of 2017, reports "Interfax". This was stated by a member of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission, Vladimir Pospelov.
Currently, the factory is preparing for serial production within the import substitution Ukrainian products due to rupture of the military-technical cooperation between Moscow and Kiev.
"We have already launched a contract for the manufacture and supply of power generating units in the interest of the Navy. Therefore, the end of 2017 - beginning of serial production of power generating units, "- said Pospelov.
In October 2016, an informed source told "Lente.ru" the completion of the test benches for ship gas-turbine power plants in the Rybinsk NPO "Saturn". Stands are a necessary part of the process of a full cycle of production of such plants.
In May 2016, Vice-president of military shipbuilding United Shipbuilding Corporation, Igor Ponomarev said "Lente.ru", the prototype of the Russian gas-turbine plant for the future frigates of Project 22350 will be put to the test in 2017, and can be delivered at the end of this year and the first production facility for equipment under construction
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KiloGolf Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:41 pm
Project Canada wrote:Serial production of gas turbine units (GTU) for the ships of the Russian Navy in return GTU Ukrainian production will be launched in Rybinsk by the end of 2017
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Issue in Russian gas turbines for the Ukrainian Navy, instead will start in 2017
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KiloGolf wrote:Project Canada wrote:Serial production of gas turbine units (GTU) for the ships of the Russian Navy in return GTU Ukrainian production will be launched in Rybinsk by the end of 2017
Its okay, i expected worse. If lucky they will get first engines delivered in first quartal of 2018. which is better than i thought. What remains now is to see how they will cope with transmission there.
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
franco Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:55 pm
Interfax 18:59 Batch production of naval engines replacing Ukrainian to begin in Rybinsk in a year - MIC
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KiloGolf wrote:Project Canada wrote:Serial production of gas turbine units (GTU) for the ships of the Russian Navy in return GTU Ukrainian production will be launched in Rybinsk by the end of 2017
Which is the problem with this?
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22350 frigates to be first to receive new Russian gas turbine marine engines, then the corvettes followed by the 11356 frigates.
franco Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:17 pm
22350 frigates to be first to receive new Russian gas turbine marine engines, then the corvettes followed by the 11356 frigates.
https://ria.ru/arms/20161229/1484869981.html
https://ria.ru/arms/20161229/1484869981.html
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PapaDragon Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:43 pm
Originally posted by Franco on different tread but it is very relevant for this topic:
franco wrote:22350 frigates to be first to receive new Russian gas turbine marine engines, then the corvettes followed by the 11356 frigates.
https://ria.ru/arms/20161229/1484869981.html
https://www.russiadefence.net/t5408p250-status-of-russian-military-industrial-complex-mic#184988
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Production of new naval engines replacing those from Ukraine to commence by May holiday;
franco Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:58 am
Production of new naval engines replacing those from Ukraine to commence by May holiday;
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170203/1487150297.html
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170203/1487150297.html
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
franco Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:08 am
Also Saturn has developed 3 marine gas turbines for production;
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2418429.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2418429.html
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Russian Navy rids itself of dependence on Ukrainian engines
GarryB Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:24 am
So from what I can tell they have produced first products and designs/drawings on old equipment and tooling but the new engines they make now will be on new tooling/equipment.
Interesting.
Interesting.
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PapaDragon Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:03 pm
TheArmenian wrote:General Alexander Dvornik announced that the Southern Military District will receive 3 warships during 2017:
-Frigate Admiral Makarov
-Buyan-M class missile ship Vishny Volchek
-Scout (spy) ship Ivan Khurs
Also, it will receive additional BAL and BASTION coastal anti-ship missile systems.
So Chinese engines are finally arriving. Good.
Soon that shipyard will be freed up for some fresh stuff.
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GarryB Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:08 am
Wasn't there a post somewhere about Saturn producing three different types of engine from this year onwards?
I would think they will want to localise production of Chinese, Germany and Ukrainian engines...
I would think they will want to localise production of Chinese, Germany and Ukrainian engines...
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PapaDragon Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:55 am
GarryB wrote:Wasn't there a post somewhere about Saturn producing three different types of engine from this year onwards?
I would think they will want to localise production of Chinese, Germany and Ukrainian engines...
Yes new ships will be getting local engines from now on but Buyans will receive Chinese engines to save time. Unfinished vessels have been clogging up shipyard.
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Re: Domestic production of marine engines for Russian Navy
SeigSoloyvov Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:17 am
PapaDragon wrote:GarryB wrote:Wasn't there a post somewhere about Saturn producing three different types of engine from this year onwards?
I would think they will want to localise production of Chinese, Germany and Ukrainian engines...
Yes new ships will be getting local engines from now on but Buyans will receive Chinese engines to save time. Unfinished vessels have been clogging up shipyard.
Weren't those just testing engines and they even said in that article "These will not be installed on ships".
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