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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:29 am

    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:40 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:43 am

    George1 wrote:New facilities of Concern "Kalashnikov" in Izhevsk



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1875673.html

    No worries some blogger will be declaring that Russia is still using pre-1991 production facilities to make its guns.
    Like the clown who claimed that Alamaz-Antey was still using pre-1991 equipment.
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:42 am

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

    Poor backward stupid Russians can't design anything right... and anything they get half right is a direct copy of a US product.

    I mean as mentioned the F-16 is so much better than the MiG-29... when pitched in the 1980s the F-16 was a super dogfighter that wasn't even equipped with a BVR missile because it was a super dogfighter that would prevail with its sidewinders and gun.

    A MiG-29 would piss all over it.

    Mi-24 helicopters are so dangerous that F-15 pilots wont fly within 5km of them and so end up shooting down two black hawk helos because they are too scared to get closer for a proper ID.

    Talk about the cart before the Horse... the west developed computer technology and miniaturised electronics because their rocket technology was crap Nazi shit.

    Soviet stuff is built for war. Western shit is built for profit.

    Ask the Afghans or Georgians or the Syrians or Iraqis what equipment they want to take to war.

    Or even better ask the Saudis what they want... because they are clearly experts at fighting and care so much about their people and soldiers...


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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Soviet stuff is built for war. Western shit is built for profit.

    Ask the Afghans or Georgians or the Syrians or Iraqis what equipment they want to take to war.

    This belongs to the "funny posts & humor" thread we have here. Georgians lost their wars using Soviet/WP MBTs, artillery, attack helicopters and aircraft. Same for the Iraqis and Syrians. How is that a compliment to their kit?

    And since when kit wins wars on its own?
    Are Saudis loosing due to poor kit in Yemen? Did the US lost in Vietnam because there was something wrong e.g. with the Huey?
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:37 am

    Georgians lost their wars using Soviet/WP MBTs, artillery, attack helicopters and aircraft. Same for the Iraqis and Syrians. How is that a compliment to their kit?

    The georgians were reequipped with western rifles and LMGs but when the brown stuff hit the fan all the new western weapons went into storage and the AKs came out... they certainly lost but they fought using the weapons of their choice which were Russian.

    The Syrians and Iraqis seem to prefer Soviet and Russian kit even though especially for the Iraqis they have a choice...

    And since when kit wins wars on its own?

    If all soviet and russian kit is inferior designed by 2 year old children then of course it is kit that wins wars.

    Did the US lost in Vietnam because there was something wrong e.g. with the Huey?

    They didn't lose in Vietnam, because their definition of winning was body count... they didn't lose... they ran out of ammo.



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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:33 am

    Court approves settlement deal on Russian tank manufacturer's multibillion debt

    The debt of Uralvagonzavod and its subsidiaries, according to recent data, totals more than 7.3 bln rubles ($114.2 mln) and $30.2 mln

    CHELYABINSK, September 28. /TASS/. Chelyabinsk Regional Arbitration Court approved a settlement agreement on the lawsuit of Alfa-Bank to Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) on the company’s multibillion-dollar debt, TASS reported the courtroom.

    The debt of the corporation and its subsidiaries, according to recent data, totals more than 7.3 bln rubles ($114.2 mln) and $30.2 mln. "The court approved the settlement agreement submitted by the parties. The proceedings were terminated," the judge said during the hearing.

    The court also approved and the settlement agreement between the parties regarding the suit on execution upon property, which was a part of a loan security.

    Earlier, General Director of UVZ Oleg Siyenko said that the Corporation has prepared a settlement agreement with Alfa-Bank. According to him, the settlement agreement was prepared due to the fact that UVZ has applied for state guarantees of 16 bln rubles ($250.2 mln). According to him, at the time the money was needed to fulfil UVZ commitments under the loan agreements due to expire in 2016-2018 and to extend the agreements by five years.

    Uralvagonzavod is a Russian corporation, engaged in the development and production of military equipment, road construction machinery, and rail cars. The corporation has more than 40 industrial enterprises, research institutes and design bureaus.


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    http://tass.com/economy/902670?_ga=1.67361617.1337049799.1447427261


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    Post  franco on Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:14 pm

    Saratov, September 29 -. RIA Novosti, enterprises of defense-industrial complex of Russia completed today a plan to import substitution Ukrainian supply by 70-80%, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said.

    The large-scale import substitution program was launched in the Russian defense industry after the imposition of sanctions of the West and the break in relations with the Ukrainian "defense industry".

    "Implemented two import substitution program, one of them quite well - I mean with Ukraine import substitution, there is in fact the level of performance of 70-80% by the end of 2017 -. The beginning of 2018 we will get rid of dependence on Ukraine ..." - Borisov said Saratov branch XV scientific conference "future markets - a look into the future."

    "With regard to import from the West, here we have a situation more difficult, this should be objectively technological capabilities", - he said.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:09 am

    The volume of the Russian defense orders will be reduced by 5% in 2017 - MIC
    06/12/2016 8:38:01

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=434537

    Seversk. December 6. Interfax-Siberia - The volume of state defense orders in 2017 will be reduced, according to deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) of the Russian Federation Oleg Bochkarev.

    "The volume of public procurement in 2017 will be 5% less money than in 2016. Yes, probably, it will generally not as noticeable, although the 5% overlap inflation, but, nevertheless, reduction trend is already underway. And after 2020, it will only increase, "- said O.Bochkarev during the Council meeting on the development of defense industry enterprises in Seversk.

    According to him, businesses operating in the state defense order, in recent years engaged in the modernization of production, increasing the number of civilian products.

    In turn, the presidential envoy to the Siberian Federal District Sergei Menyailo expressed concern that the state defense order reduction can lead to various problems.

    "In still a large number of companies, where the share of the state defense order of 90 percent or more is clear that with a decrease in the order will have problems not only economic, but also social." - He said.

    Earlier, with reference to the Deputy Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov Harrows reported that the state defense order in Russia will be reduced by 5-7 years. "Just 5-7 years, the volume of public procurement will decrease We will achieve the necessary level of equipment.", - Stated in the Yu.Borisov XV scientific and technical conference on electronics issues in Saratov in September.
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    Post  Firebird on Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:32 pm

    NOTE This is a DUPLICATE of a post I put in the Russian Army subforum (state armaments programme to 2020 thread). I wasn't sure on the best place for it. Mods, please amend if needed.


    200 page 2016 academic article here. From a butthurt HATO Swede unfortunately tho. Haha

    Very interesting. Haven't really read it yet. So I don't know what the technical accuracy is like.
    Lots of crybaby whining about Russia "not respecting international law". So hold your noses in parts.

    Just click on the link. You can download the pdf.

    https://www.docdroid.net/DA0LkJq/2016-the-fighting-power-of-ru-200pgs.pdf.html
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    Post  franco on Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:50 am

    60 helicopter engines manufactured in Russia in 2016, 100 to be done in 2017 replacing those formally made in Ukraine.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2352206.html
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:58 pm

    Russia's Kalashnikov to Create 1,700 Jobs in 2017 Amid Export Orders Surge

    https://sputniknews.com/business/201701301050146226-kalashnikov-russia-export/


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    Post  Austin on Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:36 am

    Interview Dmitry Rogozin: I do not know how you can talk with Russia to a position of strength

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=2&nid=443583



    Deputy Prime Minister, chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission, Dmitry Rogozin, told the Observer "Interfax" Vyacheslav Terekhov and Paul Koryashkinu state program of armaments, armored holding "Rostec", testing new machines, and answered the question, whether the plants are ready to build aircraft carriers.


    - Dmitry O., when it is finally agreed upon and approved by the state program of armaments to 2025?


    - The program must be formed by July 1 and finally approved at the end of 2017. On January 1, 2018 to begin its implementation.

    - We will build a new aircraft carrier for the Navy?


    - This question is not for the military-industrial complex. We can build everything for the competence that we have. If a decision is made about the need to equip our Navy aircraft carrier, it will be implemented.

    We have an understanding of how to do it. There aviation technology, which can be equipped with a ship strike weapons. From a technical and production point of view, all this is achievable, no doubt.

    Preliminary draft, the technical sketch is.

    - Assumes whether a new program is building the heavy missile cruisers or will upgrade the old ones?

    - They're not old. It is absolutely fit for combat equipment.

    We do not consider it shameful to use combat platforms that have been created in the past. These cruisers are subject to thorough modernization. They can last for long service for so many years. They have a new shock weapons can be installed, the latest helicopters. We have excellent helicopters - the Ka-52K as a coaxial screw system, it allows you to withstand any wind loads.

    Some experts are of the "Diwali forces" mistakenly think that the most important thing - support. A really important is what the armed cruiser. Heavy cruisers Soviet projects have only one drawback - they are visible. They are not used modern stealth technology. US uses some of its planes for decades - rake stuffing and put all new. All this flies serves. And this is a normal prudent approach.

    - Dmitry O., "Rostec" transferred serious defense assets - "Uralvagonzavod" military division "KTZ". What for?

    - The first task - creating armored holding. You know, NATO military sometimes jokingly referred to as his armored units "heavy metal forces", if used in the lexicon, we plan to create a "heavy metal" holding. Entering "Uralvagonzavod" in "Rostec" perimeter combine production of combat and combat platforms of tower modules. This will solve a lot of problems - from engineering and design to finance. Doing this within one organization is cheaper and easier.

    The second challenge - to improve the difficult financial situation "Uralvagonzavod".

    As for the state defense order "Uralvagonzavod", this is no problem, all developed and civil proceedings have subsided due to the crisis. former management calculations on bulk purchases of cars were not justified. On the "Uralvagonzavod" began to experience problems, including social - part-time, part-time working week.

    In "Rostec", which operates large finances, the ability to support the "Uralvagonzavod" is. Our economic forecasts show that by this kind of cooperation, "Uralvagonzavod" is already in the can greatly improve their financial situation during 2017. It must be a bit of support. But loans that need to pay large interest. Looking for domestic funds, and they can be produced in "Rostec".

    We expect that the appearance of this holding is finally formed through the integration of back and "Kurgan", which produces infantry fighting vehicles and other defense plants "KTZ". It is logical to link it all, add "fresh blood" - the design and management. Who started the corporate procedures. A new CEO, he will form his own team.

    The first stage is integrated into "Rostec". In the next stage, we are waiting for from the CEO "Uralvagonzavod" plan for a big Holding: as the work will be built, what economic incentives will be applied to new managers. All this will be heard at the board meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission, and approved by, or, on the contrary, has been rejected.

    - How do you assess the rearmament of the army and navy?


    - Qualitative change achieved. There are kinds and sorts of the Armed Forces, we are re-equipping first. For example, in strategic nuclear forces must re-create a 100%.

    Pride and love of our military - is a unique strategic missile "Voivod", in the West they call it "Satan", and for good reason. This is a very powerful rocket, carrying a huge nuclear potential retaliation. This missile has been extremely successful in terms of resources. We were able to fully ensure the extension of its operation. Earlier on this rocket, we depend on Ukraine. Now everything is fully guaranteed by the Russian enterprises.

    Soon the arms will also receive a new intercontinental ballistic missile "Sarmat" with the perfect means of overcoming current and future missile defense systems. With the "Sarmatia" and we fit into the plan to replace our unique missiles "Voivod", and in agreement with the Americans on the reduction of strategic offensive arms on the number of units and the media.

    The second type of missiles, which provide strategic deterrence - solid. This development of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology and Labour Hero of Russia General Yuri Semenovich Solomon designer. This silo-based and mobile missiles - "Topol", "Yarsy". This sea-based missiles - "Mace", which are equipped with nuclear submarines of the fourth generation of the boat project "Northwind".

    Come into service intercontinental ballistic missiles and long-term, which we do not speak, they will be created in the new armament program, will allow to update the strategic nuclear potential of Russia by 100%. This is the holy of holies. We can not risk it. It is a guarantee of our security, our sovereignty.

    - How is the work on the Tu-160m2?


    - If we talk about videoconferencing, carried a lot of work to restore the fleet of strategic bombers - Tu-160, Tu-95.

    For me it is a personal story. I have a picture of flying over Moscow Tu-160 and a photocopy of the document on the delivery of the second phase of its engine - NC-32, chairman of the commission - Rogozin Oleg K., my father. In 1987, he received a new engine as the head of the commission.

    We have restored the production of these engines make a new series. NC-32 - a unique engine. We use new design and engineering solutions. The design basis of the engine ahead of its time, it will be used in the future.

    The plane we rearm and from the point of view of modern missile systems, and in terms of the power plant, automated control systems and communications. It is recognizable image of an aircraft with a deep modernization.

    We move on. We create and future aircraft systems, including, for the strategic nuclear forces. We're moving. This not only plans, but in practical work. Meeting the college MIC gradually transformed into the beginning of the development work and production.

    - How is the development of a new air defense system S-500?


    - First, the C-400, C-400 is now the new missile, then C-500. This is our work plans are implemented. It means protecting our cities from attack. From previous air defense systems S-500 will be different actions range and efficiency defeat all the aerodynamic and ballistic targets.

    - How do you like the recent statement by the US Secretary of Defense announced plans to speak to Russia with a position of strength?


    - It surprised me. I know James Mattis, visited his home in Norfolk, where he worked Permanent Representative of Russia to NATO. It is a lively, interesting, sociable people.

    Perhaps, for the time when he was not served at the Pentagon, he is a little behind, unaware of serious scientific, technical and industrial progress of Russian military-industrial complex. Maybe he lives some illusions about the "old rusty Russian missiles." When he will understand, such statements are unlikely to be possible.

    If we talk about the logistics of the country's security and defense, I declare that I do not see how you can talk with Russia to a position of strength. We have themselves have the power. We have restored this power, the power of the country. With us, it is necessary to negotiate.

    Russia is the only country in the world that can contain any aggressor - the most heavily armed leader of the Western world, together with its surroundings. Keep the anywhere in the world. It is already a fact.

    - What the industry is ready to offer land forces, special operations forces?

    - We understand that the real military conflict - it is local conflicts.

    We have a compact army. We must be in constant readiness forces, owning unique weapons. These forces need to have the highest mobility, precision weapons. For aviation, which secretly transfer them to any place. To ensure that our military had the means of detection of the enemy, suppressing its means of aggression.

    I'm talking about robotic complexes. The task - to bring our man from the Gaza defeat to a safe distance, but so that he himself had seen the enemy, and was able to hit it. Our goal - to turn the soldier in the operator's robotic system that can fulfill any combat missions.

    - You mean robot "Ally"?

    - We have a lot of development. "Nerehta", for example.

    My father headed the USSR Ministry of Defense Advanced Research, was the first deputy head of armaments. He foresaw that the war will win the "four-eyes", sitting at a screen and controlling robotic systems.

    Recently I was on a training ground near Moscow TSNIITOCHMASH in Nizhny Tagil in the range "Uralvagonzavod". I was shown the result of our Robotics Center, which was created at the factory Kovrov Degtyarev. Conditional "bespectacled" sits a finger on the touch screen controls the objectives that must be struck, and determines the order of destruction of these goals. Robot wakes up in an ambush, identifies the target if he realizes that he is the enemy, gives an indication nominated killer robots that turn enemy column in chips. In this case the operator itself is at such a distance that no funds can not defeat the enemy did not only reach, but also to understand where all of this is controlled. Secure communication channels, they do not intercept.

    This scientific and technological progress, the development of robotic systems. But there are certain risks. No wonder they struck the minds of the creators of art, which created all kinds of movies about "robocops" and "Terminator". In all of these fantasies is a certain truth. Machines are becoming more and more complex intelligent. Man in no case should not pass the car right on the final decision. Above that think our general designers, all of our engineers. Questions of life and, God forbid, the death must be determined by a person on the basis of the higher purpose of protecting, defense of the civilian population, the country and its sovereignty. Otherwise, you can get carried away too.

    We already see today on television footage, which is actively used robotics, armed with automatic weapons. Progress will be moving in this direction - to the maximum development of artificial intelligence, robotic means, including unmanned. The war of the future will be very tech, very high precision and very remote.

    - When completed testing machines for combat equipment "Warrior"? Who will win - the AK-12 "Kalashnikov" or Degtyarevskaya AEK-971?


    - Do not be such - one wins, the other loses. We will be sure to develop both design schools - and the Degtyarev plant, and "Kalashnikov".

    Machines will doispytany and possibly as early as this year, decisions will be made. The weapon is being tested for years, then to serve decades.

    Machines are different. A cheaper machine will be, relatively speaking, a soldier. We need a simple, cheap, efficient machine. In this regard, there is every chance that it will be an AK-12. But with all the "seasoning" - Picatinny rail, telescopic buttstock, and above all - internal design, which allows for automatic shooting "did not turn up your nose."

    In AK-12 military personnel according to their preferences, the individual characteristics of a body, the specifics of the tasks will be able to use night, daytime, thermal imaging optics, laser range finder. Someone left-handed - the machine can be cocked his left hand. This is extremely important from an ergonomic point of view questions. And they will be implemented on the AK-12.

    AEK-971 - a more complex machine with many features, it is a high-precision, different cartridges can be used. It also can be useful - not an ordinary army units and special purpose forces, the National Guard, Border Guards.

    We have a different form, solve a variety of problems. The more weapons, the greater the variety of uses for useful tips and skirts, the better.

    Sorry for the slang, but the weapons can also be economy and business class. For special units for officers' departments - "Alpha", "Vympel" - of course, the weapon should be a higher level than the usual soldier's gun.

    - There are some interesting developments in the field of ammunition for small arms?


    - Interesting developments are many. For example, the first time we have created and are already beginning to produce ammunition for small arms, which ignites the diesel. Neither rifle ammunition in the world, it was not able to.

    Our simple soldier from automatic weapons can stop an enemy vehicle that runs on diesel fuel. This success of the revolution in this business.

    We are working on the new powder, more energy, even burning. They will create maximum momentum in the trunk to increase shot power. This is a task that will be delivered to the holding company, which is now thought "Rostec" holding special chemistry.

    - Are you generally satisfied with the way relations are based defense enterprises with the Ministry of Defence?

    - In 2012, when I came to work in this office, we have the relationship between the customer and industry characterized by constant price wars. It came to the fact that the President had to intervene, for example, in matters of pricing in the construction of nuclear submarines.

    Then the whole problem was resolved - was found the pricing formula, the laws adopted, amended legislation in the area of ​​pricing, distributed responsibilities, roles of various structures.

    For example, the Ministry of Industry knows the industry, he has to understand how a price, to determine, together with the cost of production enterprises. Someone has to act as auditor of the prices, to conduct an independent audit. Who is doing the FAS. If there is still no agreement on the price, is the last instance - the board of the Military-Industrial Commission. It authorized the president to act as the final arbiter.

    Through the establishment of the regulatory framework, the involvement of responsible people in charge of a large business, when everyone understands their role and is already established pricing formula, it was possible to minimize the subjective factors and enter the routine process in a good way.

    We have introduced, including legislation, different prices. How can I by signing a fixed price contract for the creation of an entirely new nuclear submarine? You do not know how many months or days, hours, minutes, require general designer, to form a technical appearance of a completely new product, as necessary investment in new technologies, new structural material, how much time will be spent on the purchase of the necessary equipment to start the entire process chain.

    The fixed price is good when the product exists in the public domain. But when it comes to something completely new, or, conversely, to repair put sophisticated weapons system, and the end is not clear that it needs to be replaced or replaced with modernization, it or the estimated price, or the price, which is established on the basis of operation.

    Our military-industrial complex - it is not a shop, which came in and said post from the top shelf, asked why dusty goods, why not tesemochki box.

    For example, the Pentagon has no limitations, it works without the sanctions pressure, the Americans themselves these sanctions initiated against us. They quoted the "shop" exists in the face of a huge US military-industrial complex, which operates without restrictions in the supply of components, including from all over the world.

    In order to satisfy the interests of our Russian customers, the industry requires a more complex work. We have a whole program of import substitution that we can not bring to our country, the production localization program, there is also a strong social aspect - it is necessary to give our people jobs. It is necessary to inculcate the culture of modern production, pay a decent salary to get through this financial incentive to attract like a magnet of the best specialists in the country and from abroad, for example, from the Ukraine, where they are not wanted.

    This is a very complex, high-tech production of high-tech products. I stress, production itself must be high-tech. to do something new on the machines of the 20th century can be, but it would be extremely costly piece-work, which will cost so much money that there simply are not enough physically.

    It is for this reason that the state program of armaments is accompanied by parallel programs re industry. Carefully Ministry of Industry, Roscosmos and Rosatom to develop and submit to the board of MIC suggestions that they need to re-equip, which plants need to be rebuilt.

    Recently, we showed the prime minister, and before that the president, two of our new plant "EKO Concern" Almaz-Antey "in Nizhny Novgorod and Kirov. Everything is new, including the production of culture.

    - These plants Russian equipment completely?

    - I would like it to be that way. Unfortunately, the machine tool industry in the 90 years was destroyed in the first place. And now the industry has to rebuild from the ruins.

    When we began to buy machines for the upgrading of enterprises, we understand that our scope is required to alert the adversary, and he will find an excuse for imposing sanctions. He found - Crimean occasion.

    If we just bought all the machines in large quantities abroad, we have for decades been put in bondage - machines require maintenance, repairs and modernization. So we started to make offset agreements with exporters of equipment: if you want us to sell 50 machines, okay, but, starting from the tenth of the machine, they should be collected, and the thirtieth - produced in our country. First, something as simple as a 5% percent of localization, then 10%, then 20, 25, 50, then the localization should be 100%.

    The interest of manufacturers of machine tools in deliveries in Russia, despite the sanctions, has led to the fact that due to this offset we were able to start the recovery of machine production.

    We expect that in the spring of Prime Minister will visit Ulyanovsk corresponding production, and there discuss in detail the issues of the industry recovery.

    This process goes on. Not to say that everything works magically. But by attracting private capital government spending could be reduced.

    In the field of production of machines into Russia, a lot of private traders. This enterprise in Ulyanovsk, excellent production machines in Kovrov, much is being done in Tula. People from the business entered the MIC Council on Public-Private Partnerships. They are involved in a common cause, they are aware of our needs, they are counting on a long order, arrange their rate of return. We obgovarivayem rules of the game, and off we go, there is success.

    In general, I am proud of the fact that the country's leadership has invited me and our team to participate in the new industrialization of Russia, to use their knowledge, experience and energy to that, from what for decades to come will depend on the security and economic prosperity of the motherland.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:44 am

    Not all answers are clear but the point that they are putting all efforts into nuclear re armament is clear. So a lot of resources are being poured into this new heavy ICBM and they localized spare parts for the SS-18. They are keeping tight lipped though on this new ICBM and S-500. Rightfully so. Not sure though on his S-400/500 statement though.
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:00 pm

    Excellent interview with Rogozin and great insight from him thumbsup

    Specially about industry and machine building solutions russia
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:21 pm

    In AK-12 military personnel according to their preferences, the individual characteristics of a body, the specifics of the tasks will be able to use night, daytime, thermal imaging optics, laser range finder. Someone left-handed - the machine can be cocked his left hand. This is extremely important from an ergonomic point of view questions. And they will be implemented on the AK-12. AEK-971 - a more complex machine with many features, it is a high-precision, different cartridges can be used. It also can be useful - not an ordinary army units and special purpose forces, the National Guard, Border Guards. wrote:

    Wow Dmitry sure talks out of his ....

    From a complexity perspective, the Avtomat that has issues is the AK-12. And it doesn't have issues only on use, it has issues on production as well. With target areas being still problematic.
    Just stop this charade, let the MA develop and take it instead of the two choices that are in contest now. It also offers a great design solution as every length and caliber are set out. Currently two prospective weapons are there. MA and SVK. Both employ the same action, and they are already set in different calibres. SVK in 2 and MA should be perfectly able to hand the two others.
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  franco on Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:27 pm

    USA adds to sanctions list 8 MIC companies plus another unnamed 22 companies and individuals;

    http://tass.com/world/937521
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    Post  George1 on Wed May 24, 2017 10:50 pm

    "Rostec" plans to sell "Uralvagonzavod"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2626764.html


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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 26, 2017 10:27 pm

    George1 wrote:"Rostec" plans to sell "Uralvagonzavod"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2626764.html

    According to Rostec, none of it is true.
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    Post  Project Canada on Fri May 26, 2017 10:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Rostec" plans to sell "Uralvagonzavod"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2626764.html

    According to Rostec, none of it is true.

    If I recall correctly during the Yeltsin years western "investors" bought up defense plants in Russia at rock bottom prices just to intentionally bankrupt them in the end, effectively
    sabotaging Russia's capacity to rebuild its arms industry during that time. Hopefully this never happens again.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 27, 2017 3:30 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Rostec" plans to sell "Uralvagonzavod"

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2626764.html

    According to Rostec, none of it is true.

    If I recall correctly during the Yeltsin years western "investors" bought up defense plants in Russia at rock bottom prices just to intentionally bankrupt them in the end, effectively
    sabotaging Russia's capacity to rebuild its arms industry during that time. Hopefully this never happens again.

    none of these you state are even close to related. Purpose of the sale as per the article is about patriot investors. That is a new phrase now - only allowing strategic and patriotic investors for key industries. In this case, the proposed sale was to both Kalashnikov corporation and Russian billionaire that is a good friend of Putin. Kalashnikov is a Russian company obviously and partially owned by Rostec. Which makes this kind of funny anyway.

    But Rostec stated the rumors were false. I think Rostec is going to keep it for time being to fix the management issue that existed before hand. Then they will probably end up selling shares of it to banks and other organizations. They of course will keep their share due to it going to make big amount of money. Kalashnikov owning it would end up creating some sort of military conglomerate
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 27, 2017 3:39 am

    There is no reason to sell any of these assets to the foreigners. Privatization must have a value aside from raising
    cash like in the case of desperate paupers. There is no indication the Russian government is bankrupt and needs to sell the crown jewels.
    One plus of privatization that I see is that a patriotic owner would keep these assets safe if the government is ever taken over by
    NATO bootlicks. They would for sure try to sell all these assets to hostile foreign owners who want to see them scrapped. The
    value of having patriotic tycoons is that they can exert power diminish the damage done by a compromised government.

    But as we see in Banderastan and saw in Russia during the 1990s, tycoons can also be grade A comprador whores.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:32 am

    Crimea’s defense plants considerably increase output, senior official says

    Total growth of defense industry in Crimea and Sevastopol in 2017 is 430.8% compared to 2015, according to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin

    FEODOSIA, August 4. /TASS/. The growing production output of defense plants in Crimea and Sevastopol this year compared to the last year exceeds 200%, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said.

    "Total growth of defense industry in Crimea and Sevastopol in 2017 is 430.8% compared to 2015 and 227.6% compared to 2016," Rogozin said at a meeting on the prospects of industrial organizations’ development in Crimea and Sevastopol that was headed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on Friday.

    Rogozin noted that there are 16 defense enterprises in Crimea, 10 of which are shipbuilding and three are aircraft plants. A total of 8,300 employees are working in this sphere. All enterprises were inspected in 2014. The Industry and Trade Ministry granted licenses to eight enterprises in Crimea and four enterprises in Sevastopol. Applications from two more Sevastopol’s enterprises are to be considered. At present, according to Rogozin, enterprises have clinched 12 bln rubles ($197.5mln) worth of contracts.

    According to the deputy prime minister, a large number of Crimean workers who had earlier moved to other Russian regions had returned to defense industry.

    Rogozin also informed that in 2017 Yevpatoria Aircraft Repair Plant will become part of the United Aircraft Corporation, whereas Sevastopol Aircraft Company will be merged within Russian Helicopters.


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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  Austin on Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:42 am

    Enterprises must work in conditions of decreasing state defense order"

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3391908

    Interview The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov on the changes in the work of the defense industry complex


    - How ready is the industry for the implementation of the GPO for 2018-2025?

    - In recent years, our defense industry enterprises have been substantially modernized, due to this, the state defense order is being implemented in a timely manner. The figures for the supply of military equipment and weapons to the troops today are close to 100%. Now we are less dependent on foreign supplies: the results of programs of import substitution of equipment and components from Ukraine and from NATO countries gave their fruits. So, for example, the United Engine-Building Corporation put into production the VK-2500 engine, which is used in most Mi and Ka helicopters, and previously these components were bought from the Ukrainian company Motor Sich. Now the domestic military helicopters will be equipped with Russian-made engines. All the factors that I have outlined, give grounds to say that we are ready to fulfill the tasks of the new state program of armaments.

    - What features will the new program have?

    How Vladimir Putin was informed about the future of aviation, fleet and strategic missiles
    How Vladimir Putin was informed about the future of aviation, fleet and strategic missiles
    - From the point of view of industry, there are two main features: a change in the pricing policy and the application of long-term life cycle contracts. We want to get away from the now widespread "subsistence economy" regime, giving enterprises the opportunity to make greater use of market mechanisms. The rule of forming the price for a product, existing now, does not allow to receive more than 6% of profit. In the cost price, thus, it is impossible to lay investments for development. Decrease in the price of the product with increasing its seriality is the main principle of the new state program. To solve this problem, it is necessary to make more active use of long-term life cycle contracts. This really helps the industry plan its costs, attract investment. In the pilot mode, such contracts are now concluded by the Ministry of Defense with the United Aircraft Corporation, KamAZ and others. Taking into account the proposals of the industry, changes are made to the order regulating the procedure for determining the composition of costs.

    At the same time, the FAS is working to change the pricing in this area, which involves the use of the index approach. At the moment, all proposals of the FAS are already on the coordination in the government. I sincerely hope that with the adoption of all measures, enterprises will have the motivation to reduce costs.

    - Will there be adopted a new program to support the defense industry? Is there an understanding of the timing?

    - This is a satellite program, and work on it will be completed after the state program of armaments is adopted. The parameters are being worked out now with the financial block of the government and the Ministry of Defense.

    - Are its directions already defined?

    - In previous years, the bulk of the funds were directed by enterprises to expand the capacities, which was necessary to carry out the state defense order. Now the situation is changing, forming a new technological way. We proceed from the premise that enterprises should work in the conditions of reducing state defense order, produce unique products and be profitable. Therefore, the next step involves the dissemination of digital technology, the introduction of advanced management systems. Priorities include creating new materials, developing additive technologies, mastering new standards, software and pricing principles. The resource of the Russian machine-building industry will also be actively used, since in recent years this industry has moved far ahead. At the same time, we focus on the development of critical technologies: It is necessary to go ahead with their implementation, materials and means of production. This applies to domestic microelectronics - here we also have something to work on. And of course, serious attention will be paid to the diversification of military enterprises.

    - How does the defense industry prepare for conversion?

    As the Ministry of Industry and Trade presented a draft strategy for the development of the machine-tool industry
    As the Ministry of Industry and Trade presented a draft strategy for the development of the machine-tool industry
    - In the President's message, the Federal Assembly set benchmarks for the volume of civilian production of defense companies. By 2020 - no less than 17% of the total output, by 2025 - up to 30%, and by 2030 - up to 50%. In 2016, the share of civilian products in the total volume of the defense industry amounted to 16.8%, this year we expect growth of up to 17%, in 2020 we forecast about 18.2%.

    Obviously, the goal is achievable. The task is solved by us in a comprehensive way: in all sectoral programs the principles of using the products of the DIC are being laid, the regulatory framework for public procurements is changing, it is planned to use the potential of military enterprises for the fuel and energy complex, in the interests of medicine.

    I want to note that the Industrial Development Fund will play an important role. In June, a new program called "Conversion" was launched, which provides for financing of investment projects aimed at the production of civilian and dual-purpose defense organizations. The interest rate on the provided target loans will be only 1% per annum in the first three years of using the loan, and then - traditional for the fund 5% per annum for the remaining period of the loan. In addition, the Russian Export Center (REC) subsidizes the costs of DIC enterprises for participation in international exhibitions, which contributes to the recognition of our goods abroad. In the nearest future, the REC will finance part of the costs associated with promoting high-tech, innovative and other products and services to foreign markets. Now the rules for granting such subsidies have been approved.

    - Are there any examples of OPK interaction with TEK companies?

    - Military enterprises are involved in the development of components for oil and gas equipment, in particular for such unique installations as underwater mining complexes. Such an agreement has already been signed with Gazprom. Also, defense industry enterprises will participate in the creation of equipment for conducting geological and prospecting research on the Arctic shelf and high-cross-country vehicles. In addition, in April 2018 in the Ivanovo region will end testing of a large-capacity gas turbine plant, which will be mass-produced on the basis of NPO Saturn.

    - And in the field of medicine?

    - There are prospects in the production of equipment for clinical diagnostic studies, technical means of rehabilitation, expendable materials. According to forecasts, the growth in the share of products of the defense industry by 2020 in this area may amount to about 15% - which, by the way, is 6% of the entire state procurement market. Examples are already now: the company POSZiS is the leader in Russia for the production of high-tech medical equipment: medical refrigerators and freezers for storing vaccines, thermolabile blood products and enzymes. The Schwabe Holding jointly with the Institute of Applied Physics of the Russian Academy of Sciences has successfully tested a model of an optical coherent tomograph, with which it becomes possible to obtain a 3D image of the retina of the eye. Impressive results for the Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant. With the support of the state corporation Rostek, the enterprise increased the volume of supplies of medical equipment for perinatal centers from 113 million rubles. In 2015 to 1.13 billion rubles - in 2016.

    - Wait for some global restructuring of the defense industry?

    - To date, the structural reform of enterprises is in the final stage. Large holdings have been created, some of which were included in Rostek. This is a full-fledged structure for industrial development. When we all gathered, we were asked: why? The answer is simple - in order to consolidate enterprises and attract private investment. And now there was the first swallow - concern "Kalashnikov". After the entry of a strategic investor in the authorized capital and joint work with Rostekh, revenue in 2016 compared to 2014 grew 5.4 times. According to the results of 2015 and 2016, positive profitability on profit from sales is observed - 25.7% and 24.1%, respectively. As we see, the concern was unprofitable, but it became profitable. Is there a positive trend? It is visible. There is a difference? There is. At the same time, we observe,

    - Where else do you want to attract investors?

    - We are discussing the issue with Holding Technodynamics, the concern Constellation ... I think that in the next five to ten years we will have investors interested in developing the defense industry.
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:16 am

    Russia will effectively make the defense industries tied directly to civilian market, and vice versa. Already we are seeing so many results of this. This is something that was done in the US and in Germany for decades before and it proved to work great as the defense companies always had funds to continue to do R&D in new technology as well as incorporate civil tech into military, and vice versa. Now, from what I have read, the Universities in Russia are ingrained in the defense and private sector in R&D and that is were majority of the university budgets come from.

    Essentially - Russia is doing what the west has done during the cold war. I guess playing by their own games.

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