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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  George1 on Fri May 27, 2016 2:16 pm

    Russia's defense industry showed 13% production growth in 2015 — deputy PM

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  franco on Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:37 pm

    Some 1300 new technology and 929 facilities for the Defense Industry by 2020.

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/884319

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:32 pm

    Russia to spend $15.6 bln on defense industry development — PM

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:26 am

    https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.ru/vpk.name/news/159819_pravitelstvo_usilivaet_kontrol_za_dolgosrochnyimi_programmami_goskompanii_opk.html

    This means that they will enforce the idea of monitoring the efficiency and success of the companies. Companies that underperform, do not meet the demands set forth or are lackluster in terms of overall performance of their products, will face the management being terminated from their positions.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:10 am




    KRET entered the top 100 defense companies in the world


    Concern took 48th place in the ranking of 100 of the largest military-industrial corporations according to Defense News

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology '(KRET), part of the State Corporation Rostec, ranked 48 th position in the ranking of the 100 largest global military-industrial companies, which is the American edition of Defense News annually.

    According to its activity in KRET increased its position in the ranking last year to four lines, occupying the 48th place. Let's remind, that on results of 2014 the concern was on the 52 th place in the list of Defense News.

    The reason was the improved financial performance of the company. KRET showed total sales of $ 1.9 billion in 2015, including $ 1.6 billion of military products.

    As noted in the concern, the appearance KRET in the list of the largest military-industrial companies in the world in the 48 th place on the right shows the selected course of development, which is actively developing, despite the depreciation of the ruble. Under the old course of the financial performance KRET would ensure him a place in the top 20 global military-industrial holdings. The concern confident that the expansion of the export portfolio of the organization it could happen in the next few years.

    Recall that in the preparation of Defense News rankings take into account brand awareness, quality, reliability and popularity of the company's products. In addition, international experts thoroughly study their financial performance and growth dynamics over the past few years on the weapons line.

    In recent years KRET demonstrated tangible progress. By results of 2015 the Group's revenues amounted to about 120 billion rubles, at times exceeding the index of 2011 - 45 billion rubles. Net profit for the last year amounted to about 10 billion rubles, exceeding the index of 2014 by 20%.

    According to the plans concern the estimated volume of production, which will be implemented in the current year will amount to more than 101 billion rubles. In 2016 it is planned to increase the supply of land, air and naval systems, radar and electronic warfare and advanced the state radar identification.

    http://kret.defence.ru/military_technology/kret-voshel-v-top-100-oboronnikh-kompanii-mira/


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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:29 am

    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:40 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    the russians don't have decked out tanks...and that's where we run into issues. The russian army--and more importantly, the countries it exports to (because we all know they don't actually build or design competitive stuff, but rather, they design products to be paper champions...they're made to be sold "as good as" or "better than the western versions"), are in quite the perdicament. They compete on paper, but anyone who's seend the inside of a Mig 29 vs a F16 understands just how superficial these competions are...

    Russian equipment is "designed" like their rockets....I.E. they're supposed to be more rugged (read: most of the time, heavy) and more powerful (read: it has to be, because they build heavier stuff, and lack the knowledge, capacity, and manufacturing capability to use modern materials). How does that translate?

    It translate to: every russian aircraft that was ever made. They're needlessly heavy, in avionics, weapons, and engines, as well as in powerplant technology, which refers tk energy prodution, storage, and use. In the end, soviet and russian weapons are built in the same manner a 2 year old might design an animal, if asked to produce the best animal for meat production:

    "I'll have the breasts, and legs of a chicken...the ribs of a cow...the tail of a kangaroo, because hey, lets face it, they're cool." The result is an aircraft that is big because it has big engines. It needs big engines because the avionics are heavy. It needs big avionics because of inefficiency and lazinees. And because it's all really big, they....oh yeah, they need one giant fucking fuel tank. In the end, the thing lights up like an atomic bomb on every radar in the same hemisphere, and it maneuvers with it's weapons and fuel the same way a pregnant cow approaches hopping a fence.

    But back to the problem..the problem is that they have to build shit the way they do because it subsidizes the russian army. The countries that russia exports to consist of: people who shit in holes. They couldn't tie their own shoe laces if given a 6 month course. In the end, this means that during a conflict, because the russian government and the governments of russia's friends don't exactly inspire loyalty, it's best not to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of say...a technically inclined loader, who needs a ttoooonnnn of practice (which they cant afford), training, and investment. So what would you do? You wouldnt design the best equipment for the people; who you cant count on. People are an expendable resource in conflict; instead, you design a piece of equipment that can stand on it's own, and then send one or two mechanics to take care of it.

    So...in the end, the soldiers that use the equipment never need a single degree of technical aptitude. Idiots without technical skill, and who can be sent to pull a trigger where they're told, are generally in abundace during wartime. But the fact remains, that this is a vicious, never ending cycle. You have unskilled armies with deadly, but often inferior weaponry, and because you have an unskilled and inferior force, people aren't exactly looking to sign up as a career move, and likewise, no sane leader would equip such an army with say, a billion dollar aircraft.

    So, in the end, you have autoloaders. Autoloaders are both the symptom, and the problem.

    This started with talk of why the Iraqi T-72s fought so poorly against the U.S, and this fool pretty much insulted the entire Russian MIC that's why i post this here.

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

    Nothing more than vapid trash talk. Trash talk indicates insecurity.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:43 am

    George1 wrote:New facilities of Concern "Kalashnikov" in Izhevsk



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1875673.html

    No worries some blogger will be declaring that Russia is still using pre-1991 production facilities to make its guns.
    Like the clown who claimed that Alamaz-Antey was still using pre-1991 equipment.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:42 am

    Wanna hear what you guys think.

    Poor backward stupid Russians can't design anything right... and anything they get half right is a direct copy of a US product.

    I mean as mentioned the F-16 is so much better than the MiG-29... when pitched in the 1980s the F-16 was a super dogfighter that wasn't even equipped with a BVR missile because it was a super dogfighter that would prevail with its sidewinders and gun.

    A MiG-29 would piss all over it.

    Mi-24 helicopters are so dangerous that F-15 pilots wont fly within 5km of them and so end up shooting down two black hawk helos because they are too scared to get closer for a proper ID.

    Talk about the cart before the Horse... the west developed computer technology and miniaturised electronics because their rocket technology was crap Nazi shit.

    Soviet stuff is built for war. Western shit is built for profit.

    Ask the Afghans or Georgians or the Syrians or Iraqis what equipment they want to take to war.

    Or even better ask the Saudis what they want... because they are clearly experts at fighting and care so much about their people and soldiers...


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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:Soviet stuff is built for war. Western shit is built for profit.

    Ask the Afghans or Georgians or the Syrians or Iraqis what equipment they want to take to war.

    This belongs to the "funny posts & humor" thread we have here. Georgians lost their wars using Soviet/WP MBTs, artillery, attack helicopters and aircraft. Same for the Iraqis and Syrians. How is that a compliment to their kit?

    And since when kit wins wars on its own?
    Are Saudis loosing due to poor kit in Yemen? Did the US lost in Vietnam because there was something wrong e.g. with the Huey?

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:37 am

    Georgians lost their wars using Soviet/WP MBTs, artillery, attack helicopters and aircraft. Same for the Iraqis and Syrians. How is that a compliment to their kit?

    The georgians were reequipped with western rifles and LMGs but when the brown stuff hit the fan all the new western weapons went into storage and the AKs came out... they certainly lost but they fought using the weapons of their choice which were Russian.

    The Syrians and Iraqis seem to prefer Soviet and Russian kit even though especially for the Iraqis they have a choice...

    And since when kit wins wars on its own?

    If all soviet and russian kit is inferior designed by 2 year old children then of course it is kit that wins wars.

    Did the US lost in Vietnam because there was something wrong e.g. with the Huey?

    They didn't lose in Vietnam, because their definition of winning was body count... they didn't lose... they ran out of ammo.



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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:33 am

    Court approves settlement deal on Russian tank manufacturer's multibillion debt

    The debt of Uralvagonzavod and its subsidiaries, according to recent data, totals more than 7.3 bln rubles ($114.2 mln) and $30.2 mln

    CHELYABINSK, September 28. /TASS/. Chelyabinsk Regional Arbitration Court approved a settlement agreement on the lawsuit of Alfa-Bank to Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) on the company’s multibillion-dollar debt, TASS reported the courtroom.

    The debt of the corporation and its subsidiaries, according to recent data, totals more than 7.3 bln rubles ($114.2 mln) and $30.2 mln. "The court approved the settlement agreement submitted by the parties. The proceedings were terminated," the judge said during the hearing.

    The court also approved and the settlement agreement between the parties regarding the suit on execution upon property, which was a part of a loan security.

    Earlier, General Director of UVZ Oleg Siyenko said that the Corporation has prepared a settlement agreement with Alfa-Bank. According to him, the settlement agreement was prepared due to the fact that UVZ has applied for state guarantees of 16 bln rubles ($250.2 mln). According to him, at the time the money was needed to fulfil UVZ commitments under the loan agreements due to expire in 2016-2018 and to extend the agreements by five years.

    Uralvagonzavod is a Russian corporation, engaged in the development and production of military equipment, road construction machinery, and rail cars. The corporation has more than 40 industrial enterprises, research institutes and design bureaus.


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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  franco on Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:14 pm

    Saratov, September 29 -. RIA Novosti, enterprises of defense-industrial complex of Russia completed today a plan to import substitution Ukrainian supply by 70-80%, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said.

    The large-scale import substitution program was launched in the Russian defense industry after the imposition of sanctions of the West and the break in relations with the Ukrainian "defense industry".

    "Implemented two import substitution program, one of them quite well - I mean with Ukraine import substitution, there is in fact the level of performance of 70-80% by the end of 2017 -. The beginning of 2018 we will get rid of dependence on Ukraine ..." - Borisov said Saratov branch XV scientific conference "future markets - a look into the future."

    "With regard to import from the West, here we have a situation more difficult, this should be objectively technological capabilities", - he said.

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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  Austin on Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:09 am

    The volume of the Russian defense orders will be reduced by 5% in 2017 - MIC
    06/12/2016 8:38:01

    http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=434537

    Seversk. December 6. Interfax-Siberia - The volume of state defense orders in 2017 will be reduced, according to deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) of the Russian Federation Oleg Bochkarev.

    "The volume of public procurement in 2017 will be 5% less money than in 2016. Yes, probably, it will generally not as noticeable, although the 5% overlap inflation, but, nevertheless, reduction trend is already underway. And after 2020, it will only increase, "- said O.Bochkarev during the Council meeting on the development of defense industry enterprises in Seversk.

    According to him, businesses operating in the state defense order, in recent years engaged in the modernization of production, increasing the number of civilian products.

    In turn, the presidential envoy to the Siberian Federal District Sergei Menyailo expressed concern that the state defense order reduction can lead to various problems.

    "In still a large number of companies, where the share of the state defense order of 90 percent or more is clear that with a decrease in the order will have problems not only economic, but also social." - He said.

    Earlier, with reference to the Deputy Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov Harrows reported that the state defense order in Russia will be reduced by 5-7 years. "Just 5-7 years, the volume of public procurement will decrease We will achieve the necessary level of equipment.", - Stated in the Yu.Borisov XV scientific and technical conference on electronics issues in Saratov in September.
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    Re: Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

    Post  Firebird on Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:32 pm

    NOTE This is a DUPLICATE of a post I put in the Russian Army subforum (state armaments programme to 2020 thread). I wasn't sure on the best place for it. Mods, please amend if needed.


    200 page 2016 academic article here. From a butthurt HATO Swede unfortunately tho. Haha

    Very interesting. Haven't really read it yet. So I don't know what the technical accuracy is like.
    Lots of crybaby whining about Russia "not respecting international law". So hold your noses in parts.

    Just click on the link. You can download the pdf.

    https://www.docdroid.net/DA0LkJq/2016-the-fighting-power-of-ru-200pgs.pdf.html

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