Russian Navy: Status & News #1

1.) Dagestani suicide boats....come on.
2.) The area is very resource rich. Hence important. Byans can strike the whole region with Kalibr. Hence placement in Caspian makes sense.
3.) Caspian was going to dissapear without new boats. Why do you think they are focusing on BSF right after? They are replacing the most worn out fleets first.
North and Pacific need bigger ships anyways and will have to wait their turn.
4.) Black Sea is close and the ships can transit easily in and out of the theater. BSF is increasing in combat strength in general currently and over the next few years.

Actually black sea fleet is more important and mediterranian... they would be much more valuable there is strategic sense.
Caspian duties can be covered by Kazahstan fleet as a CIS member or they could built or buy ships.
Besides russian aviation and coastal antiship batteries can cover whole area.

What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking  russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

Well, the Russian navy disagrees with you. What can I say?

Get rid of any units in the area and suddenly you do have a potential for problems. Like I said, Kalibr is usefull for covering entire region, from relative safety of Caspian.

And once again, they can easily and quickly be transferred to the BSF.

Awesome footage of Kuz battlegroup in rough seas


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Viktor wrote:Something to think about ... 





The corvette project Saburov

...Hmmm, yes I seen something on this project from IMDS-2011:

http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/376


...Here's other interesting littoral concepts:

Strogiy:






Orel:

Russian Navy to Get 40 New Ships in 2014

MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Navy is expected to receive 40 new warships and auxiliary vessels in 2014, a high-ranking official said Friday.

In addition to surface ships of various classes, the navy will also commission the third Borey-class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine, the Vladimir Monomakh, and a Varshavyanka-class diesel electric submarine, Rear Admiral Viktor Bursuk, a deputy commander of the Russian navy, said.

Bursuk, who oversees weapons procurement for the navy, said that Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser and three nuclear-powered attack submarines this year.

The Kirov-class cruiser, known as the Kalinin until 1992, was commissioned in 1989 and mothballed in 1999. It has since been docked for upgrades at the Sevmash shipyard in the northern Russian city of Severodvinsk, on the White Sea.

The Admiral Nakhimov is expected to rejoin the Russian navy in 2018 with the most advanced weapons systems for its vessel type, the Sevmash shipyard said in June last year.

Auxiliary ships to be commissioned by the end of 2014 include the Igor Belousov, an advanced search-and-rescue ship designed to boost the navy’s ability to rescue submarines and ships in distress, Bursuk said.

George1 wrote:Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser .
The Admiral Nakhimov is expected to rejoin the Russian navy in 2018 with the most advanced weapons systems for its vessel type, the Sevmash shipyard said in June last year.

Now what?
Just a few weeks ago it was reported Nakhimov would come back in late 2014, early 2015, just lots of old cables and wiring to substitute. This sounds like a whole rearmement and rebuilding.

It won't be back in 2018, that much I can guerentee you.

That is good.

No point in a short term half assed upgrade... they might as well put in as much new stuff as they possibly can.

The experience will be useful later on with new build ships.

That means UKSK launchers, Pantsir-S systems, Redut, and even 152mm koalition guns.

It will allow them a real platform to work out integration issues and performance issues of the systems... they are going to have to deal with them at some stage anyway, and it offers a chance to work with new compact NPP systems too that can be tested and improved over time so that when they are looking at carriers they have more realistic expectations.

GarryB wrote:That is good.

No point in a short term half assed upgrade... they might as well put in as much new stuff as they possibly can.

Normaly i would also think so, but with the Vladivostok mistral operational in pacific fleet by 2015, with no modern capital, or no modern escort ships at all really, iam worried. The varyag, udaloys and other ships are 25-35 years old, should a hotspot flare up you cant send the Vladivostock alone.

New Nakhimov in 2018 will for sure be a badass ship, but with all delays its perhaps better to talk about 2020. The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.

The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.

Hmmm.. every vessel from corvette to cruiser carrying an AEGIS like system and a wide range of standardised weapons and sensors and propulsion. The Russian Navy is going to get more standardised and by 2020 will have hypersonic anti ship missiles... obsolete in what way?

http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/dizelpower.JPG

Cool photo- Vladikavkaz submarine under repair @ Zvezdochka, with Yekaterinburg in the background being worked on.

http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/ekaterinburg.JPG
http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/cex_10.JPG

GarryB wrote:

The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.

Hmmm.. every vessel from corvette to cruiser carrying an AEGIS like system and a wide range of standardised weapons and sensors and propulsion.  The Russian Navy is going to get more standardised and by 2020 will have hypersonic anti ship missiles... obsolete in what way?

udaloys have no important firepower, they are just large ASW ships, Sovremennys are getting retired, so...

Auxiliary Ship "PM-138" & Vishnya class Intelligence Ship "Priazovye" docked in Tartous , Syria




Baltic fleet LST "Shabalin" and "Kaliningrad" visit Beirut , Lebanon

seems americans are unhappy

Russia’s Navy Rising

The Russian Navy 'Rebalances' to the Mediterranean

there is overwhelming evidence that Russia is once again embarking on an aggressive naval shipbuilding program.

They haven't even produced a brand new vessel the size of a Frigate... but their program is aggressive... how many carrier groups does the US have vs Russia? A carrier group screams aggression and clearly shows which "side" is the aggressor.

I didn't bother reading any further in either article... I read those articles during the cold war... it seems they are still the only articles written in the west.

Austin wrote:seems americans are unhappy

Russia’s Navy Rising

The Russian Navy 'Rebalances' to the Mediterranean

Of course they should be unhappy.
Let's make it clear.
It's about whether West or East dominate the world.
Ain't any kids game here.

Two months underwater: The life of a Russian submariner

So are there already any plans what will happen in the next 10 years to the 1155s? Will they be obsolete by then? If yes are they to be modernized or all of them to be decommissioned? Would it be possible on the original 1155 s to remove one of the 100mm guns and replace it a with a redut or UKSK pod? Will they be modernized by fitting them with 9m54 or onyx silos? Do they have the ability to get A-192 cannons?

http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=369043&download=2&type=.jpg

Alrosa looking good, back home in the BSF.

http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=369053&download=2&type=.jpg

Lots of work in front of them ...

Ship Repair Center "asterisk" to build new ships for the Navy

Defense shipyard "Ship Repair Center" asterisk "planned in 2014 to substantially increase production within the state defense order.

Subs:

project 971 "Leopard"

project 971 "Volk"

project 971 "Bratsk"

project 971 "Samara"

project 945 "Carp"

project 945 "Kostroma"

Delta-4 "Ekaterinburg"

Indeed, and that does not even include continuing 949A modernization, nor diesel submarine work that is currently ongoing.
After Ekaterinburg they will repair the Tula.

And of course they are working on the 1164 cruisers, as well as performing routine repairs on ships like 1155.

"«Звездочка» также строит для ВМФ серию судов специального назначения проекта 20180. В этом году северодвинским корабелам предстоит сдать второе судно серии - морской транспорт вооружения «Академик Ковалёв». Сейчас на одной нитке стапеля строятся сразу два судна, и в 2014 г. будет заложен четвертый корабль.
Подробнее: http://vpk-news.ru/news/18725"

They are also building the 20180 vessels, 1 of which has been completed, two are building, and this year one more will be laid down.

No exaggeration to say they are one Russia's most critical naval yards.

http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=368555&download=2&type=.jpg

Nice photo-dry docks in Sevastopol.

Georgia's Nightmare, the Mirage is in the small dock on the left, and the ancient Kommuna can be seen in the foreground dock.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:So are there already any plans what will happen in the next 10 years to the 1155s? Will they be  obsolete by then? If yes are they to be modernized or all of them to be decommissioned? Would it be possible on the original 1155 s to remove one of the 100mm guns and replace it a with a redut or UKSK pod? Will they be modernized by fitting them with 9m54 or onyx silos? Do they have the ability to get A-192 cannons?

In 2006 the Northern Fleet's Project 1155 Udaloy I-class destroyer Admiral Kharlamov was reported to have been laid-up for a planned overhaul and upgrade programme. In 2008 Admiral Chabanenko became the first Russian warship to transit the Panama Canal since World War II[2]
In April 2010 Severnaya Verf shipyard announced that the destroyer Vice-Admiral Kulakov, which had been undergoing an overhaul since 1990, will rejoin Russia's Northern Fleet soon

In 2012 the destroyer was escorting commercial convoys as a part of the anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden.[4] In July 2012, Vice-Admiral Kulakov was leading a flotilla of the Northern Fleet to the Eastern Mediterranean to conduct naval drills, close to the Syrian coast.[5] In August 2012 she paid a 5-day visit to Portsmouth Naval Base, England. In September 2012 the Vice-Admiral Kulakov also visited Cobh, Ireland

We have yet to see a Udaloy with UKSK, and as new Gorshkov frigates and Grigorovich is hitting the water in increasing numbers, the 1155´s will probable be decommisioned.