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    Russian Navy: Status & News #1

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    Viktor
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:17 pm

    New destroyers and frigates await Russian Navy. Its strange that Chirkov reffers to project 22350 as a "medium term ship" and that new frigates are planned 

    Navy Commander Chirkov showed promising projects destroyers and frigates

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:20 pm

    Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.

    Funny you say that because the current Russian sub force... Akulas, Sierras, 636 Kilos are far quieter than Soviet subs and actually are a mere shadow of their former times...

    The Addition of the sub version of the UKSK launch tubes means all Russian subs will have anti ship, anti sub, and long range land attack capability... something they have never had before.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:19 am

    navyfield wrote:steel improvements include
    1.better welding characteristics for faster and more secure construction ,
    2. lower magnetic values for lesser detection,
    3.better strenght for more operational and maximum depth/ or lighter hull  ,
    4. and better anti-corosive characteristics/ better durability- more important for single hull submarines.
    Disel subs had a 90/10% ratio for surface /submerged time-speed coeficient ,during cold war it was 80/20 , today its 70/30 ,but still they are only good for near landmass areas and smaller seas , not oceans. Any longer voyage is a no-go for diesel sub in wartime as it will be easily detected by sosus networks and destroyers.
    Russian submarine force is a mere shadow of former times and will lose several operational capabilities ,probably stop hunting usa/china/brit/fra boomers.

    ...Is this guy Captain Pakistan or RPG 7v? Modern Russian subs are more advanced than Soviet subs lol!

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    Something to think about ... 





    The corvette project Saburov

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:46 pm

    **southern US black man accent** da fuq is dat?..

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:00 pm

    A Zumwalt class under microscope this is  Laughing 
    It can be tried to see if it is effective, cheap and easy to make.
    In other words if Russian engineers can succeed where Americans failed.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:15 pm

    It looks a lil' "light" in terms of anti-aircraft capabilities. I mean a Palma gun-missile CIWS and AK-630M2 gun CIWS. Ain't gonna cut it.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:29 pm

    Well, if your purpose is to create a testbed for design evaluation then I guess the anti-aircraft capabilities is of secondary importance.
    Let alone that in this size of only 2000 tons and with a tumblehome design Saburov will be strictly littoral ship.
    Probably for the same reason of seaworthiness  the design deviates so much to the prow as well.

    Again from a first glance, it seems to me, as an engineer by profession, that Russians took the theoretical idea
    and try to implement it where it is most effective and better applied, in small littoral ships, for close-to-shore stealthy operations,
    with more conservative, more trustworthy technological solutions.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:03 am

    Looks nice, though Id replace the 100mm with a 152mm gun.
    Air defence looks weak though its not like it would have to fend off squadrons aircraft and tens of ashm all at once.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:11 pm

    6 UKSK modules on a 2k ton hull?

    Lol, yeah right guys. Impossubr!

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:14 pm

    Wouldn't it be better for that concept corvette to have it's UKSKs reduced to 2 or 3 and others being replaced by a redut pod or morphei launchers?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:45 pm

    Its quite dissapointing that all the buyan corvette under construction are only for the caspian fleet, so many of these highly potent ships are commisioned in the caspian sea, a place where russia has virtually no geopolitical enemies and the biggest threat bieng illegal fishermen and possibly dagestani suicide baots at most. It feels like wasted potential. They could be very good landing support vessels and offer a good firepower boost for fleets in poor o outdated condition, namely the black sea and pasific fleet. So why Equip the caspian with them first?. I understand giving the flotilla 1 or 2 buyans but 4-5 is just overkill for the potential enemy navies there.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:12 pm

    1.) Dagestani suicide boats....come on.
    2.) The area is very resource rich. Hence important. Byans can strike the whole region with Kalibr. Hence placement in Caspian makes sense.
    3.) Caspian was going to dissapear without new boats. Why do you think they are focusing on BSF right after? They are replacing the most worn out fleets first.
    North and Pacific need bigger ships anyways and will have to wait their turn.
    4.) Black Sea is close and the ships can transit easily in and out of the theater. BSF is increasing in combat strength in general currently and over the next few years.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  navyfield on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:20 pm

    Actually black sea fleet is more important and mediterranian... they would be much more valuable there is strategic sense.
    Caspian duties can be covered by Kazahstan fleet as a CIS member or they could built or buy ships.
    Besides russian aviation and coastal antiship batteries can cover whole area.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:20 pm

    What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #1

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:22 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking  russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

    Well, the Russian navy disagrees with you. What can I say?

    Get rid of any units in the area and suddenly you do have a potential for problems. Like I said, Kalibr is usefull for covering entire region, from relative safety of Caspian.

    And once again, they can easily and quickly be transferred to the BSF.

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