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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:27 am

    George1 wrote:The russian version of P-800 (Oniks) has a range of about 600km??

    500 km in Hi-Lo Profile

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    Post  Arrow on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:02 am

    P-800 has range about 300km.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:51 am

    Arrow wrote:P-800 has range about 300km.

    The export version, "Yakhont"


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    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:46 pm

    The rocket complex "Onyx" will be upgraded

    Project 22350 frigates will be armed with "Onyx" missiles

    Russia and India have compiled a list of countries which can supply "BrahMos"


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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:57 pm

    First Export Contract for BrahMos Cruise Missiles to Be Signed in 2016

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160420/1038300606/brahmos-export-contract.html#ixzz46P12uOl9


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    Post  max steel on Fri May 20, 2016 12:24 am

    IronsightSniper wrote:What Garry said. The Klub is a far more superior and entertaining missile than the Onyx. Anywho, I give the Sea Ram, Sea Sparrow, and ESSM a good chance of intercepting the first 1 or 2 Onyx/Klubs. However, after doing the some radar horizon formulas, the maximum detection range of a 5 meter skimming Klub(3 meters will put it danger close to ocean waves, converting it into a Shkval) against an AN/SPY-1 mounted 16 meters equals to about 25.7 km. Traveling at 986 meters per second(M. 2.9), that would make the time from detection to impact out to 26 seconds. Against a Phalanx, penetration of the ship's defensive systems are almost guaranteed. Against Sea Ram, Sea Sparrow, and ESSM, again, good chance that the first 2 Klubs will get hit. Against the Steregushchy class of corvettes(2 are commissioned, each can carry 6 Klubs), that would mean a saturation fire of 12 Klubs, with minimal losses to them due to AEGIS. Assuming they're fired against a Nimitz class, assume 4 are intercepted, 8 Klubs = 1.6 tonnes of explosives detonating within the Nimitz. From Kinetic energy alone, each would generate about 20 kg of TNT equivalent upon impact, and depending on where they hit, I give it a fair probability of sinking said carrier.

    seems plausible
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 20, 2016 12:23 pm

    There are so many variables... a clever enemy might have shore based container launchers... camouflaged and firing one every half hour or so... an AEGIS based carrier group can easily deal with this but after a day of this your nerves will be on edge... when real missiles are coming no one will be sleeping... then suddenly one missile is actually 50 missiles... out of decoys?

    Even launching the attack to coincide with a storm... in heavy seas no ship will be able to defend itself that well...

    Wait until they have turned off their main radars to communicate via satellite...

    Attack is easier than defence... even just launching an attack to make the group turn to an area you have already laid with captor mines (ie torpedo mines)...


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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Isos on Fri May 20, 2016 12:42 pm

    How many Oniks could you put on Sov's or Udaloy's instead of Moskits by using the same configuration as on Nanushka IV ? They achieve to put 2*(3+3)missiles on a small ship, they could easily put 2*(4+4+4) missiles or more on them.

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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:26 pm

    Russia may buy BrahMos cruise missiles for Su-30SM fighters — source

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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:43 pm

    Bastion System Range was reveled by Shoigu in briefing to Putin

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3785071

    In addition, there also put coastal complexes" Bastion " who have closed almost all the coast and today these complexes, we are able to destroy both sea and ground targets ", - the minister said, adding that it was a distance of 350 kilometers in the sea and nearly 450 kilometers on land.
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:57 pm

    Austin wrote:Bastion System Range was reveled by Shoigu in briefing to Putin

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3785071

    In addition, there also put coastal complexes" Bastion " who have closed almost all the coast and today these complexes, we are able to destroy both sea and ground targets ", - the minister said, adding that it was a distance of 350 kilometers in the sea and nearly 450 kilometers on land.

    Looks like the P-800 Onyx/Yakhont always had land strike capability this entire time...some years ago there were people arguing that it shouldn't have land strike capability...looks like their eating crow!
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Austin wrote:Bastion System Range was reveled by Shoigu in briefing to Putin

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3785071

    In addition, there also put coastal complexes" Bastion " who have closed almost all the coast and today these complexes, we are able to destroy both sea and ground targets ", - the minister said, adding that it was a distance of 350 kilometers in the sea and nearly 450 kilometers on land.

    Looks like the P-800 Onyx/Yakhont always had land strike capability this entire time...some years ago there were people arguing that it shouldn't have land strike capability...looks like their eating crow!

    Or more probably they upgraded them to brahmos lvl
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  medo on Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:09 pm



    At the end of the video, coastal complex Bastion with Onyx missiles was used against ground terrorist targets in Syria. Onyx is also supersonic land attack cruise missile.
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    Post  hoom on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:29 am

    I suspect the land launched ones would be previously delivered (& supposedly destroyed by Israeli bombing a couple of times) Syrian Yakhont rather than Onyx?

    Does this cause INF treaty issues if the land Onyx have always had land attack ability?
    I guess with Shoigus' 450km land attack range it's still within the 500km limit for that.
    Quite a fortuitous timing for leaking that number smaller than the previously rumored 600km just before... Suspect

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:14 am

    The Kalbir Cruise missile have used Explosive as can be be seen with the video and post destruction.

    Bastion Hit seems to be just a kinetic one , Just a big hole on top no destruction caused by explosive around the large hole , no video footage of explosive unlike kalbir hit.

    All targets hit are quite big looks like some sort of longish warehouse ....the destruction is propotional to explosive , Unless there is secondary explosion caused by explosive kept there or flamable substance there wont be any huge destruction beyond the kalbir explosive.
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  gaurav on Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:39 pm

    Austin wrote:The Kalibr Cruise missile have used Explosive as can be be seen with the video and post destruction.

    Bastion Hit seems to be just a kinetic one , Just a big hole on top no destruction caused by explosive around the large hole , no video footage of explosive unlike kalbir hit.

    I think they are using low yield explosives for Kalibre. Normally Calibre explosion is very huge. In the above video the xplosion from Kalibre is shown to be very low yield of the order of 60-80 Kg high explosive only.

    In bastion case the video is shown after the explosion has taken place.

    Normally both Kalibre and Bastion can take 500-600 kgs of explosives.

    Bastion complexes recently were added to lot of areas like Crimea , 2 regiments 36 launchers(my guess) , further in kaliningrad 2 regiments 36 launchers, in Arctic  and Kurils (pacific fleet) around 4 units.

    Hence there is a clear expansion of Bastion network along all the Russias very critical military regions.
    They will not reveal the full specs of Bastion missile.These pics are the only thing we have got for this  missile.

    Also Kalibre missiles are also a changin.They have very high pick up and ramjet engine mode .That is quite different from early launches of september 2015 when Russia started the campaign. They are almost launched like S-300 missiles.
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:03 am

    If you look at Georges post in number 104 you will see that Onyx got an upgrade... I rather suspect the upgrade included the ability to find and hit targets on land... likely based on work with India giving Brahmos the same capabilities...


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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:32 am

    Can some one translate this in English , this is Bastion specs , Specially the part where it says 450 km and 180-350 km
    The altitude is 15 km and below that there is another 200 km mentioned what does it say ?


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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Ned86 on Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:27 pm

    Austin wrote:Can some one translate this in English , this is Bastion specs , Specially the part where it says 450 km and 180-350 km
    The altitude is 15 km and below that there is another 200 km mentioned what does it say ?
    15km is not altitude, but Minimum firing range.
    So, regarding these specifications we have:

    Maximum firing range against land targets: 450km
    Maximum firing range against sea targets: from 180 to 350km
    Minimum firing range: 15km
    Maximum distance between missile launchers and seacoast : up to 200km

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:35 pm

    Ned86 wrote:
    Austin wrote:Can some one translate this in English , this is Bastion specs , Specially the part where it says 450 km and 180-350 km
    The altitude is 15 km and below that there is another 200 km mentioned what does it say ?
    15km is not altitude, but Minimum firing range.
    So, regarding these specifications we have:

    Maximum firing range against land targets: 450km
    Maximum firing range against sea targets: from 180 to 350km
    Minimum firing range: 15km
    Maximum distance between missile launchers and seacoast : up to 200km
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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Austin on Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:32 am

    P-800 Oniks (Onyx) Surprise
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:01 am

    Sadly you don't get such common sense blogs in places like the Jamestown institute or CNN or BBC... if only such views were more widely felt...

    America and Russia don't have to be best buddies... a bit of mutual respect however can go a long way for both sides.


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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  hoom on Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:33 pm

    I suspect the land launched ones would be previously delivered (& supposedly destroyed by Israeli bombing a couple of times) Syrian Yakhont rather than Onyx?
    Answering myself, was just reading that Putin had specifically ordered defenses for Russian forces in Syria from air & sea, Shoigu quoted saying that Bastions are deployed along with S300, Pantsir etc so they would be Russian ones then.

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    Re: P-800 Oniks and BrahMos

    Post  Austin on Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:06 pm

    Moskit engine is 3D-80 supersonic ramjet type with later variant ( 3D-81,82,82 ) upgrading on its capability introducing combustion stabilisation and dual position nozzle, it was developed by another design bureau in 70's i.e Zvezda Machine-Building Design Bureau

    Brahmos/Onyx/Yakhont engine is 3D-55 developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya , the key difference is t generational difference between the two engine , 3D-55 ramjet engine is fully-regulated movable nozzle duruing flight it can be throttled back to minimal thrust at optimum flight altitude then commanded to resume normal operation depending on the altitude its flying to conserve/optimise energy management.

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