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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:11 pm

    Benya wrote:
    I have seen some reports that indicates that the first two frigates of this class will be delivered to the Black Sea Fleet.

    Why? Question  dunno

    The BSF is already receiving Project 11356 ("Admiral Grigorovich"-class) frigates, why would they need Gorshkovs?

    maybe you didn't see correctly. Project 11356 were ordered especially for Black Sea Fleet


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Benya on Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:29 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Then they are wrong these ships are for the NF and PF's.

    Indeed, BTW I don't understand why Milkavkaz put them to the BSF's ORBAT list.

    George1 wrote:maybe you didn't see correctly. Project 11356 were ordered especially for Black Sea Fleet

    Not especially, but exclusively (and for export).

    For both of you, here is what I saw: (the 2nd and 3rd ship names on the list, each of them has blue color)

    Arrow http://www.milkavkaz.net/2015/12/chernomorskij-flot.html

    Of course, we can argue about the credibility of the source, but I would not recommend to start an argument about that, since it would derail the topic.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:00 am

    Of course, we can argue about the credibility of the source, but I would not recommend to start an argument about that, since it would derail the topic.


    Then what would you argue if not the credibility of the source?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Benya on Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:17 am

    franco wrote:Of course, we can argue about the credibility of the source, but I would not recommend to start an argument about that, since it would derail the topic.


    Then what would you argue if not the credibility of the source?

    Nothing. I only wanted to conclude my talk with Seig and George about where those two Gorshkovs will be delivered to.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:45 pm

    If the source cannot be questioned then what is there to discuss?


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:59 am

    Far has I am aware the first two are going tot he NF fleet with the next two going to etheir the NF or PF.

    Russia said they wanted to build a large amount of these but in recent years hey seemed to scale back how many they want.

    The current number is around 16?

    Which would mean eight for both fleets.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:00 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Far has I am aware the first two are going tot he NF fleet with the next two going to etheir the NF or PF.

    Russia said they wanted to build a large amount of these but in recent years hey seemed to scale back how many they want.

    The current number is around 16?

    Which would mean eight for both fleets.

    I don't think they are really scaling back anything. They need frigates and Gorshkov is it.

    More likely due to engine issues and other delays, ones that are ordered after these first 16 or whatever will be Gorshkov v2.0.

    Steregushi and Derski class situation, only frigate sized. Same number of vessels in class, different iteration of model.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  franco on Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:23 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Far has I am aware the first two are going tot he NF fleet with the next two going to etheir the NF or PF.

    Russia said they wanted to build a large amount of these but in recent years hey seemed to scale back how many they want.

    The current number is around 16?

    Which would mean eight for both fleets.

    There are only 6 on order presently. Hopefully more will follow.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:59 pm

    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Far has I am aware the first two are going tot he NF fleet with the next two going to etheir the NF or PF.

    Russia said they wanted to build a large amount of these but in recent years hey seemed to scale back how many they want.

    The current number is around 16?

    Which would mean eight for both fleets.

    There are only 6 on order presently. Hopefully more will follow.

    This is planned not on order this could change of course. I remember them saying they want 20's before then downscaled the number.

    In my opinion, they need at least 10 per major fleet.

    If they have any interest in the Asian region they will need even more then that
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:26 am

    ones that are ordered after these first 16 or whatever will be Gorshkov v2.0.

    Steregushi and Derski class situation
    Yeah gonna be interesting whether they go for a relatively minor change or significantly different.
    Hopefully whatever the difference it'll be without the massive delays of Gorshkov.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:37 am

    hoom wrote:
    ones that are ordered after these first 16 or whatever will be Gorshkov v2.0.

    Steregushi and Derski class situation
    Yeah gonna be interesting whether they go for a relatively minor change or significantly different.
    Hopefully whatever the difference it'll be without the massive delays of Gorshkov.

    They first need to deliver couple of batches of Gorshkovs before any updates are on the table so we are talking about at least decade from now before new iteration comes into equation.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:58 am

    Didn't stop them with 20385 -> 20386 dunno
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:27 am

    So on the topic of upgraded 22350:
    In a report about Salyut http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1773651.html


    This 'pyramid' concept has been seen before


    Easy to write it off as just a sketch to highlight the rough locations/scale of bits of their systems & it may very well be just that eg most of the pics on http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1449376.html

    Even then, there is a concept similar to the 'pyramid' 22350


    And somehow the 'pyramid' version really feels 'right' to me
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Luq man on Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:27 pm

    Admiral Kasatonov looks like all of equipment is fitted on.
    Shame they didn't show the inside but looks like it will go on trials in the summer and hopefully delivered by the end of this year.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:11 pm

    Russian Navy to receive two advanced frigates by 2020

    The Russian Navy will receive two frigates by late 2020 that will feature a new antiaircraft missile/artillery system with several types of missiles




    MOSCOW, March 7. /TASS/. The Russian Navy will receive two Project 22350 frigates by late 2020 that will feature a new antiaircraft missile/artillery system with several types of missiles, including a long-distance air defense missile, Russia’s Defense Ministry Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday.

    "The third thematic issue is devoted to developing an antiaircraft missile/artillery system and a long-distance antiaircraft missile. By late 2020, the Navy will receive two most advanced Project 22350 frigates armed with the Kalibr and Oniks modern strike complexes," the defense minister said during a conference call.

    "Air defense for these ships will be provided by a new antiaircraft missile/artillery system with several types of missiles," Shoigu said during a live broadcast of Rossiya-24 TV Channel.

    Over 60 launches of these missiles have been made at the naval ranges of the Baltic and Northern Fleets, and also at the Kapustin Yar training range in the Astrakhan Region in south Russia and now state trials of a promising long-range antiaircraft missile are under way, the defense minister said.

    "As a whole, the implementation of these two projects will help develop weapons with unique combat capabilities. The Defense Ministry expects these weapons to be delivered to troops soon," Shoigu said.

    "Today we’ll discuss the results of trials aboard the lead frigate 22350," Shoigu said.

    The Russian Defense Ministry expects to receive a new shipborne antiaircraft missile system in the imminent future, Shoigu said.

    The Project 22350 lead frigate Admiral Gorshkov was laid down in early 2006 and put afloat in the autumn of 2010. The ship started undergoing trials in November 2014. The frigate is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy in late July this year.

    The second Project 22350 frigate Admiral Kasatonov was floated out in 2014. The third frigate Admiral Golovko is expected to be put afloat in 2017.

    The Project 22350 frigate has a displacement of 4,500 tons and a speed of 29 knots. The frigate is armed with Oniks (NATO reporting name: SS-N-26 Strobile) and Kalibr (SS-N-27 Sizzler) missiles and the Poliment-Redut air defense missile system.


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    http://tass.com/defense/934350


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    What ??

    Post  calripson on Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:57 pm

    Does this imply that the first two 22350 ships, both of which are built, will not enter active service till 2020 ? Does the statement about "new anti-aircraft missile system" imply that the problems with the existing installation require a complete redo and hence the now additional three year delay ?
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Luq man on Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:05 pm

    This project is an absolute total disaster. Pure incompetence to the finest. Mad
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:25 pm

    Oui managed to check in on here.

    Kurds are annoying the hell outta me.

    Side note, they are clearly talking about the Redut system.

    They are referring to the 3rd and 4th series of this class.

    Admiral Golovko is to be launched this year.

    By late 2020 this means they expect to get two more ships at the latest by that timeframe, don't get me wrong they are building these things super slow. Engine issue excluded.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:30 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Oui managed to check in on here.

    Kurds are annoying the hell outta me.

    ......


    Hahaha, good to hear from you man, stay safe out there!!!  thumbsup



    SeigSoloyvov wrote:..........
    Side note, they are clearly talking about the Redut system.

    They are referring to the 3rd and 4th series of this class.

    Admiral Golovko is to be launched this year.

    By late 2020 this means they expect to get two more ships at the latest by that timeframe, don't get me wrong they are building these things super slow. Engine issue excluded.

    Yeah, the are taking their sweet time. They should just put another shipyard on the job already.

    I also read that this shipyard has issues with delivery dates across the board not just with combat vessels.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:55 pm

    Advanced Russian frigate Admiral Gorshkov leaves St. Petersburg for firing trials

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/936511


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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:20 am

    And a pic to go with it Cool
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:00 pm

    If I'm not mistaken that is the Adm Kasanatov behind her (you can just make out the scaffolded superstructure).
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  hoom on Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:38 am

    More lovely pics  I love you  via http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2504497.html



    Definitely Kasatanov behind



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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:59 pm


    A larger version of Gorshkov frigate might be in the works. Unofficial name is Super-Goshkov. Should be 1100 tons heavier than standard one.

    http://izvestia.ru/news/668261

    So if Gorshkov is replacement for Sovremennyy class destroyers then Super-Goshkov should be replacement for Udaloy class destroyers.
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    Re: Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    A larger version of Gorshkov frigate might be in the works. Unofficial name is Super-Goshkov. Should be 1100 tons heavier than standard one.

    http://izvestia.ru/news/668261

    So if Gorshkov is replacement for Sovremennyy class destroyers then Super-Goshkov should be replacement for Udaloy class destroyers.

    Gorshkov is a small frigate compare to the others in the world, even if it's better armed. I think Gorshkov was meant to replace both of them by standardization but they have more experience now so they can build bigger.

    I don't read Russian, does it says something about the weapons on board ? Are they planning to put bigger anti air missiles (true S-400) or keep the same (S-350) but with more of them ?


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