Questions and Ideas

If mods accept a such personal thread somewhere in the forum ill put one

At someones suggestion i will open this topic where i and others can ask a lot of things whitout polluting other topics (is so hard to follow all posts). Also this would be the place for weird ideas and concepts.

At subs are used wired torpedos? Informations could be transmitted trought. Also missiles could be carryed by a torpedo engine till surface then the engine could start so that the missiles could be launched from deep water. Torpedo engines would be dropped at surface

Or a tank whit air that carry the missile at surface

I read that instead of MIRV are used now hipersonic vehicles

For the very corosive liquid ICBMs fuel bricks can be used or stone

Fuel tanks can be filled whit the guel by tubes trought the edge of the fuel. I think at some flexible tubes

That is a very good idea.

Well its done. The topic is in general chat named "qestions and ideas"

What about missile made like a spaceX vehicle? Or what about ballons that carry missiles and stay at high altitude for long time and lauch into space the missiles? Or drones.

Damn... slow down....

At subs are used wired torpedos? Informations could be transmitted trought.

Yes, there are plenty of subs that still use wire guided torpedoes.

For short range weapons it means that the sub can use its enormous sonar to detect and follow the target at extended ranges than would be possible with the tiny sonar array on even a modern torpedo.

Basically the sub detects the target and launches the torpedo and sends course corrections to the torpedo via the wire link until the torpedo hits the target or it gets close enough to detect the target itself with its own sonar... either in passive or active mode. The wire is then cut and the sub is free to manouver again while the torpedo guides to the target on its own.

Also missiles could be carryed by a torpedo engine till surface then the engine could start so that the missiles could be launched from deep water. Torpedo engines would be dropped at surface

Missiles are generally fired by compressed air out of its tube just like a torpedo. The buoyancy of the missile usually allows it to reach the surface on its own without need for a separate engine... once it reaches the surface usually a solid rocket motor launches the missile clear of the water and up to a speed where a flight can be assured with the onboard small turbojet engine.

Or a tank whit air that carry the missile at surface

A tank with air would drag the missile to the surface, but would take up a lot of space within the launch tube, which means smaller missiles which means less performance for something that will be dumped just after launch.

I read that instead of MIRV are used now hipersonic vehicles

Russia has introduced hypersonic vehicles instead of MIRVs because when the Soviet Union split and Russia was left with all of the former Soviet Unions ICBMs and SLBMs, it found that many of its weapons were made or had lots of parts made in other new countries. For instance the Ukraine had many companies that made parts of Soviet missiles, so the first priority was to develop new all Russian missiles so their design was not compromised and sold to the west.

Because they were making new missiles they could devote money and effort to developing new reentry vehicles and as the US was working on ABM systems it made sense to develop hypersonic reentry vehicles that could manouver to evade an ABM system. The US does not have hypersonic reentry vehicles because it has not been building new ICBMs and SLBMs, but over the next decade or two they will likely start doing the same as Russia develops its ABM capability.

For the very corosive liquid ICBMs fuel bricks can be used or stone

AFAIK the liquids in Russian ICBMs are fully storable and the missiles can remain fully fuelled for the life of the missile safely.

Fuel tanks can be filled whit the guel by tubes trought the edge of the fuel. I think at some flexible tubes

Most synthetic flexible tubes perish over time and would likely not be suitable for storable fuels.

They might be defuelled for periodic maintainence which makes them much much lighter if they have to be removed and also much safer if they have to be removed from their silos, but I suspect most of the time they would keep the fuel in the tanks and just remove and inspect the warhead and guidance sections as needed.

I saw once a strange thing : a triangle from wire whit electrical curent trought lift off from ground. A missile whit that tehnology can be made? Whit the wires inside and holes to the head and tail of rocket

GarryB wrote:Damn... slow down....

At subs are used wired torpedos? Informations could be transmitted trought.

Yes, there are plenty of subs that still use wire guided torpedoes.

For short range weapons it means that the sub can use its enormous sonar to detect and follow the target at extended ranges than would be possible with the tiny sonar array on even a modern torpedo.

Basically the sub detects the target and launches the torpedo and sends course corrections to the torpedo via the wire link until the torpedo hits the target or it gets close enough to detect the target itself with its own sonar... either in passive or active mode. The wire is then cut and the sub is free to manouver again while the torpedo guides to the target on its own.

Also missiles could be carryed by a torpedo engine till surface then the engine could start so that the missiles could be launched from deep water. Torpedo engines would be dropped at surface

Missiles are generally fired by compressed air out of its tube just like a torpedo. The buoyancy of the missile usually allows it to reach the surface on its own without need for a separate engine... once it reaches the surface usually a solid rocket motor launches the missile clear of the water and up to a speed where a flight can be assured with the onboard small turbojet engine.

Or a tank whit air that carry the missile at surface

A tank with air would drag the missile to the surface, but would take up a lot of space within the launch tube, which means smaller missiles which means less performance for something that will be dumped just after launch.

I read that instead of MIRV are used now hipersonic vehicles

Russia has introduced hypersonic vehicles instead of MIRVs because when the Soviet Union split and Russia was left with all of the former Soviet Unions ICBMs and SLBMs, it found that many of its weapons were made or had lots of parts made in other new countries. For instance the Ukraine had many companies that made parts of Soviet missiles, so the first priority was to develop new all Russian missiles so their design was not compromised and sold to the west.

Because they were making new missiles they could devote money and effort to developing new reentry vehicles and as the US was working on ABM systems it made sense to develop hypersonic reentry vehicles that could manouver to evade an ABM system. The US does not have hypersonic reentry vehicles because it has not been building new ICBMs and SLBMs, but over the next decade or two they will likely start doing the same as Russia develops its ABM capability.

For the very corosive liquid ICBMs fuel bricks can be used or stone

AFAIK the liquids in Russian ICBMs are fully storable and the missiles can remain fully fuelled for the life of the missile safely.

Fuel tanks can be filled whit the guel by tubes trought the edge of the fuel. I think at some flexible tubes

Most synthetic flexible tubes perish over time and would likely not be suitable for storable fuels.

They might be defuelled for periodic maintainence which makes them much much lighter if they have to be removed and also much safer if they have to be removed from their silos, but I suspect most of the time they would keep the fuel in the tanks and just remove and inspect the warhead and guidance sections as needed.

that i tinked too whit the wired torpedos. So how they do thatenemy torpedos evade this kind of torps? I probally think that they got enough closer to shoot a torpedo wired. And also have sound absorbant materials. But for close distance radars can be utilized so for enemy torpedos things get smelly. Or anything else method of ranging in the electromagnetic spectrum. They say russian subs are old and noisy but what is important that a sub can detect and anihilate a threat.
Point was that maibe the missiles could be launched from very deep thus more safety for sub and more chances to launch all missiles in time.
Maibe heated air would lift on the missile or heating water around missile
ABM stands for? Ill try to find a military acronims dictionary.
Getting out and refuel missile when needed would increase time of launch
the point was that sintetic tubes to be put from outside and mounted

I dont know if i asked but: a airscrew can be used to power up a electric generator in a aircraft fighter? The air spin the airscrew very fast which spin the generator very fast ans thus you have enough energy for same like AESA radar. There you go simply and enough for what its needed. The blades from jet engine could be used.

Same principle can be used in a missile whit blades that spin because of the air and spin a generator. Which would extend radar of missile

Same principle can be used to a s500 battery. A small turbo engine push air that spin blades and turn on a big generator.

Magnets can be used to reduce friction in generator. Also can be ised in vacuum

Did someone know if is true that photons imprime speed to objects? I saw on internet a airscrew that was spinned by a photons of laser. This could help to spin a generator very fast.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18383/20141021/laser-tractor-beam-moves-objects-further-than-ever-before-sci-fi-becomes-reality.htm


Heating the air and the object whit laser.....

victor1985 wrote:Did someone know if is true that photons imprime speed to objects? I saw on internet a airscrew that was spinned by a photons of laser. This could help to spin a generator very fast.

not only on earth but in satellites too. A solar wind can move a airscrew half inside the satellite which would spin a generator

Holly crap, you were told already to make one post with all your questions combined because people get the feeling that this will end up in like trying to explain a 4 year old that only asks "why...why...why.

You should combine your questiosn in one post and avoiding asking to many seperated questions, people are not really willing to go in a chat like discussion on a forum when you keep up this pace of questioning.

Why subs dont have torpedo chambers in all his parts? I see that are placed only in front. And sonar why is only in one place?
In the future maibe a laser would power up a airscrew which would propulsate subs whith high speeds.

I saw once a strange thing : a triangle from wire whit electrical curent trought lift off from ground. A missile whit that tehnology can be made? Whit the wires inside and holes to the head and tail of rocket

Have you seen lanterns where you set fire to the bottom and as they burn hot air is trapped and lifts the lantern off the ground and they fly away.

neat trick, but not really very practical for a flying device except hot air balloon.

So how they do thatenemy torpedos evade this kind of torps?

Russian vessels already use RBU-6000 and PAKET-NK for anti torpedo use.. former is depth charge thrower and latter is anti torpedo torpedo.

They say russian subs are old and noisy but what is important that a sub can detect and anihilate a threat.

Ridiculous blanket statement... Is Borei or Yasen old? Or Improved Kilo? "They" are clearly idiots.

Subs don't have to move... remaining stationary makes very little noise. Diesel electrics are noisy when snorkling and recharging their batteries, but when running on electric motors they make rather less noise than any nuke powered sub...

Point was that maibe the missiles could be launched from very deep thus more safety for sub and more chances to launch all missiles in time.

What sort of missiles are we talking about?

SLBMs and cruise missiles make more sense being launched near the surface as the sub can stream an antenna and pick up orders/instructions/target data from satellites or nearby friendly aircraft.

ABM stands for? Ill try to find a military acronims dictionary.

Anti ballistic Missile.

Getting out and refuel missile when needed would increase time of launch
the point was that sintetic tubes to be put from outside and mounted

Actually liquid fuelled missiles are much easier to handle than solid fuelled missiles... just pressurise them with compressed air and load them into the launch tubes of the SSBN as they will be light and not full of dangerous chemicals. Once loaded into the tubes attach hoses and pump out the compressed gas and replace it with the storable liquid propellents, which will remain in the missiles while the sub is at sea. When the sub ends its tour just pump out the fuel and remove the missiles.

A 100 ton missile will be about 90% fuel by weight so when you take out the liquid fuel it will be 10-15 tons, which is much easier to move around and handle with no risk of fire.

I dont know if i asked but: a airscrew can be used to power up a electric generator in a aircraft fighter? The air spin the airscrew very fast which spin the generator very fast ans thus you have enough energy for same like AESA radar. There you go simply and enough for what its needed. The blades from jet engine could be used.

Most modern jet engines have electric generators built in to them and a separate auxhilary power unit or APU to run aircraft systems on the ground without the engine running and to start the engines.

Some very old WWII bombers had exernal propellers that used airflow to generate power and some modern external pods also have fan blades on the nose to do the same...

Same principle can be used in a missile whit blades that spin because of the air and spin a generator. Which would extend radar of missile

Usually more efficient to use a battery. With a supersonic rocket the propeller would not work very efficiently and might just break and cause a lot of drag. In comparison a battery is more reliable at any speed.

Did someone know if is true that photons imprime speed to objects? I saw on internet a airscrew that was spinned by a photons of laser. This could help to spin a generator very fast.

Would likely not generate more energy than it uses. the amount of force light exerts is tiny and would need days to gather speed in deep space outside the gravity wells of earth and the moon.

A solar wind can move a airscrew half inside the satellite which would spin a generator

Only well beyond earths magnetic field where there are very few satellites. The actual force of the solar wind makes it interesting for an enormous solar sail like several kms in area, but for a propeller it simply isn't dense enough to be practical.

Why subs dont have torpedo chambers in all his parts?

Because it takes up space needed for other things.

Some subs have front and rear tubes and vertical tubes are popular now too, but it makes more sense to carry more spare torpedoes per tube rather than dozens of tubes but no spare space for extra torpedoes.

Sonar arrays are currently all over modern SSNs.

GarryB wrote:

I saw once a strange thing : a triangle from wire whit electrical curent trought lift off from ground. A missile whit that tehnology can be made? Whit the wires inside and holes to the head and tail of rocket

Have you seen lanterns where you set fire to the bottom and as they burn hot air is trapped and lifts the lantern off the ground and they fly away.

neat trick, but not really very practical for a flying device except hot air balloon.

So how they do thatenemy torpedos evade this kind of torps?

Russian vessels already use RBU-6000 and PAKET-NK for anti torpedo use.. former is depth charge thrower and latter is anti torpedo torpedo.

They say russian subs are old and noisy but what is important that a sub can detect and anihilate a threat.

Ridiculous blanket statement... Is Borei or Yasen old? Or Improved Kilo? "They" are clearly idiots.

Subs don't have to move... remaining stationary makes very little noise. Diesel electrics are noisy when snorkling and recharging their batteries, but when running on electric motors they make rather less noise than any nuke powered sub...

Point was that maibe the missiles could be launched from very deep thus more safety for sub and more chances to launch all missiles in time.

What sort of missiles are we talking about?

SLBMs and cruise missiles make more sense being launched near the surface as the sub can stream an antenna and pick up orders/instructions/target data from satellites or nearby friendly aircraft.

ABM stands for? Ill try to find a military acronims dictionary.

Anti ballistic Missile.

Getting out and refuel missile when needed would increase time of launch
the point was that sintetic tubes to be put from outside and mounted

Actually liquid fuelled missiles are much easier to handle than solid fuelled missiles... just pressurise them with compressed air and load them into the launch tubes of the SSBN as they will be light and not full of dangerous chemicals. Once loaded into the tubes attach hoses and pump out the compressed gas and replace it with the storable liquid propellents, which will remain in the missiles while the sub is at sea. When the sub ends its tour just pump out the fuel and remove the missiles.

A 100 ton missile will be about 90% fuel by weight so when you take out the liquid fuel it will be 10-15 tons, which is much easier to move around and handle with no risk of fire.

I dont know if i asked but: a airscrew can be used to power up a electric generator in a aircraft fighter? The air spin the airscrew very fast which spin the generator very fast ans thus you have enough energy for same like AESA radar. There you go simply and enough for what its needed. The blades from jet engine could be used.

Most modern jet engines have electric generators built in to them and a separate auxhilary power unit or APU to run aircraft systems on the ground without the engine running and to start the engines.

Some very old WWII bombers had exernal propellers that used airflow to generate power and some modern external pods also have fan blades on the nose to do the same...

Same principle can be used in a missile whit blades that spin because of the air and spin a generator. Which would extend radar of missile

Usually more efficient to use a battery. With a supersonic rocket the propeller would not work very efficiently and might just break and cause a lot of drag. In comparison a battery is more reliable at any speed.

Did someone know if is true that photons imprime speed to objects? I saw on internet a airscrew that was spinned by a photons of laser. This could help to spin a generator very fast.

Would likely not generate more energy than it uses. the amount of force light exerts is tiny and would need days to gather speed in deep space outside the gravity wells of earth and the moon.

A solar wind can move a airscrew half inside the satellite which would spin a generator

Only well beyond earths magnetic field where there are very few satellites. The actual force of the solar wind makes it interesting for an enormous solar sail like several kms in area, but for a propeller it simply isn't dense enough to be practical.

Why subs dont have torpedo chambers in all his parts?

Because it takes up space needed for other things.

Some subs have front and rear tubes and vertical tubes are popular now too, but it makes more sense to carry more spare torpedoes per tube rather than dozens of tubes but no spare space for extra torpedoes.

Sonar arrays are currently all over modern SSNs.

well i didnt see lanterns do that trick.
Ofcourse i dont know what is the efficiency of that kind of missile. But can be tryied. At least as demonstrator of concept.

Well whit wired anti torpedo torpedo things will be resolved.

Not to mention the fact that a subs is made from noise i solator materials. Just use a wall of 2 metters from
those materias in the noisest places and on surface of subs and theyre quiet. Mix between metals and others could give that. If not a sound on the same frecvency that neutralize enemys one.

Sound logic to get to surface and receive orders. Maibe one day comunications at large distances under water would be enabled. What kind of electromagnetic spectrum waves go trought water?

Well its all about how fast the generator spin so the air that flows in the jet engine would be a source of power.

Might happen might not. I dont know if someone ever tried to mount blades on a missile that spin the generator. Maibe when studies would be made well know for sure.

Would depend on the power of laser. Imagine a huge laser that power up a airscrew that spin a vacuumed generator (for reduce friction) and whit his ax magnetic (again for reduce friction). That would give huge energi enough for power up a radar 1000km if not more.

Torpedos in all parts of sub will reduce distance to intercept enemy torpedos