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    Ideas of United European Army

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:35 am

    http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1815814

    Finland Prez Sauli Niinistö and Defese Mins Carl Haglund, and Prez of EU Commission Jean-Claude Juncker supported it.

    Don't know whether it is an attempt to break out of US sphere and NATO, or it will be just a puppet of NATO ?

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Zivo on Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:55 am

    I wouldn't get your hopes up.

    It's probably just an attempt to get EU states to fork over more money for the military. Certain figures in the US think the EU/ NATO peasants have been half-assing it up to this point.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:40 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1815814

    Finland Prez Sauli Niinistö and Defese Mins Carl Haglund, and Prez of EU Commission Jean-Claude Juncker supported it.

    Don't know whether it is an attempt to break out of US sphere and NATO, or it will be just a puppet of NATO ?

    i think it is a response towards a common defense policy and engagement capabilities that Europe doesn't have now

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:54 pm

    Here is another view:

    Idea of Creating Pan-European Army Targets Russia – German Opposition


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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:22 am

    What happened to all that crap about Russia being a friend and NATO and Europe was not Russias enemy...

    Maybe they just saw the Euro force in the Battlefield series of computer games and thought it would be a good idea...

    Either way, it wont change things very much so I hope they do piss away some more money on something they don't need and may never use... Just sad that that includes their brains.


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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:20 am

    That is nothing else but a construct from Washington. They see europeans are not so eager to fight a war against russia, because they already know shadowy it is US that wants this war, so they try to create a new PR with an "European mindset Army" to give them the little illusion they are fighting for themselfs. They just try to get european idiots mainly germany and eastern europe like Poland more actively pro-war, since the pussies of americans don't want to fight a suicidal war themselfs, because they could never win that war and they know it so they try to send some weak states of Europe to send against Russia in the hope russia will go conventional on this weaklings and drag the war for decades out.

    Nothing germany does happens ever without knowledge of Pentagon, every german chancelor has to sign the Chancellor Act, that dictates pro-americanism in all speeches and acts as a chancellor and "country".

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:41 pm

    Setting up common EU armed forces may be on agenda of June summit — European Commission

    Jean-Claude Juncker came forward with a proposal for creating the EU’s own army in an interview to the German weekly Welt am Zontag

    BRUSSELS, 9 March. /TASS/. The idea of setting up EU armed forces may be on agenda of the June summit, the European Commission's press service told TASS on Monday.

    The chief of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker came forward with a proposal for creating the EU’s own army in an interview to the German weekly Welt am Zontag.

    "A common European Army would show the world that there will be no more wars among the EU countries. Such an army would enable us to conduct a foreign policy and a policy of security and to become aware of Europe’s responsibility in the world," he said.

    "In the nuclear age extra armies do not provide any additional security. But they surely can play a provocative role," Klintsevich said, adding it was regrettable that such ideas had already met with some support.

    He recalled that the idea of creating a European army had never occurred to anyone even in the years of the acute confrontation between NATO and the Warsaw Treaty Organization.

    "These days, when the Warsaw Treaty is long gone, for some reason there has developed a need for that," he wondered.

    "One should presume that a European army is seen as an addendum to NATO. And in this kind of situation Western politicians are not shy to accuse Russia of some aggressiveness," Klintsevich said.

    Earlier on Sunday German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen voiced support for the idea of creating a common EU army at some future date. She stated that peace in Europe currently relied on a firm platform and the EU member-states ever more often pooled efforts for various purposes, including the enforcement of a common security policy. "The idea of having a (common) European army, in my opinion, has a future," she said.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:53 am

    well... thinking about it a bit more... is this an attempt to exclude the US from European matters that don't really involve the US... like the Ukraine?

    Maybe this is a good thing... in any event... more money spent and most likely taken from NATO rather than added to it...

    In a few years time perhaps they might decide that NATO and an EU force is a duplication and that one has to go... lets hope it is led by the nose by the US NATO that folds... Twisted Evil


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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:09 pm

    I don't know what they actually mean by "united European army". If they mean just another "Franco-German brigade" or "German-Polish brigade" or something like that, then let them go to hell with their "army". A true European army would require:
    1. Creating a centralized high command
    2. Creating a centralized system of logistics
    3. Creating a common EU military academy + EU general staff college
    4. Leaving NATO

    And really, without raising military expeditures by at least 2x, there is no chance of creating a real army. And due to linguistic diversity of Europe, units will still have to take an essentially territorial character.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:well... thinking about it a bit more... is this an attempt to exclude the US from European matters that don't really involve the US... like the Ukraine?

    Lothar von Trotha wrote:4. Leaving NATO

    Novo Europa separatist Cool Cool

    Unlikely to happen... but just pray for it Cool Cool

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:37 pm

    EU Army and all EU states are in NATO... it is just like with "journalists" being lobbyists of NGO's and organisation like Transatlantikbrücke but at the same time call themselfs "Investigative Journalists"...it is nothing else but a double game it is US army, the aim is to create the Perception they are souvereign and not shadowy controlled by US the goal is to make them ready for war and give them illusion they fight for themselfs and not for Pentagon.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2015 12:43 pm

    Creating European army long-term goal - German defense minister

    BERLIN, May 3. /TASS/. Creating a European army remains one of the main goals for EU, but it is important to start strengthening the union’s security system now, Germany’s Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen told Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday.

    A European army is a long-term goal, while for now the most important thing is to gradually strengthen the European Defense Community, she said. The US wants Europeans to be a strong link in the framework of NATO, the defense minister added.

    Answering a question on the goals of strengthening the European Defense Community, von der Leyen said that the Ebola outbreak and Islamic State organization’s attacks on Yazidis demonstrated that in case of crisis, Europe needs to be more flexible and quick in providing a response.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Werewolf on Sun May 03, 2015 4:05 pm

    What a joke that entire bullshit is.

    Von der Leyen the failed family minister who has never held a weapon in her hands was also "inspecting" the Bundeswehr's G-36 and deemed them as "inadequate".

    This useless blonde was just put into position as Defense Minister because she is a nobody, a blonde who has no plan of nothing and asks no questions. So now the US can do as it pleases and with bullshit stories like inadequate G-36's, inadequate DM53 rounds, bad this bad that, poor shape this and that, it is just lobbying and creating a picture in public to justify more money for military to use germany as a meatshield against russia the 3rd time in history.

    Von der Leyen is the definition of puppet, you don't even need to put your hand through her rear she already parrotts all by herself.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  jka on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:23 pm

    UK will leave EU.

    Finland maybe have 36,500 and Sweden have 20,500 Home Guard soldiers in south and 9500 in professionel Army. 30,000 in total for Sweden. Maybe it is concripts on way in Sweden reserve force of 30,000 soldiers in north. And maybe 9500 Army Group or 19,951 in professionel Army Groups in 1st size.

    30,000 forces in reserve cost Sweden 500-600 million euro. Then near 2 billion euro the 19,951 1st forces or 500-600 million euro for 9500 Army. South Sweden first Army in Sweden. Whatever it be they will cost us money of rehabilitation of the Army Groups or Army plus reserve force.


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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  jka on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:33 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Setting up common EU armed forces may be on agenda of June summit — European Commission

    Jean-Claude Juncker came forward with a proposal for creating the EU’s own army in an interview to the German weekly Welt am Zontag

    BRUSSELS, 9 March. /TASS/. The idea of setting up EU armed forces may be on agenda of the June summit, the European Commission's press service told TASS on Monday.

    The chief of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker came forward with a proposal for creating the EU’s own army in an interview to the German weekly Welt am Zontag.

    "A common European Army would show the world that there will be no more wars among the EU countries. Such an army would enable us to conduct a foreign policy and a policy of security and to become aware of Europe’s responsibility in the world," he said.

    "In the nuclear age extra armies do not provide any additional security. But they surely can play a provocative role," Klintsevich said, adding it was regrettable that such ideas had already met with some support.


    180,000 soldiers in total. 60,000 in wars, 60,000 in Brussel and 60,000 in training.

    Or will be 350,000 (old Roman Empire size) and many tanks by over 1000 pieces.

    And 2000 Towad Artillery.

    Or will be 532,000 near today by strenght of Iran.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Godric on Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:55 pm

    jka wrote:Biggest troops 2015-2016:

    France - 197,000
    Germany - 117,000
    Greece - 108,950
    Spain - 100,000
    Poland - 99,340
    Romania - 73,150

    UK will leave EU.

    Finland maybe have 36,500 and Sweden have 20,500 Home Guard soldiers in south and 9500 in professionel Army. 30,000 in total for Sweden. Maybe it is concripts on way in Sweden reserve force of 30,000 soldiers in north. And maybe 9500 Army Group or 19,951 in professionel Army Groups in 1st size.

    30,000 forces in reserve cost Sweden 500-600 million euro. Then near 2 billion euro the 19,951 1st forces or 500-600 million euro for 9500 Army. South Sweden first Army in Sweden. Whatever it be they will cost us money of rehabilitation of the Army Groups or Army plus reserve force.

    England, Wales and N Ireland will leave the EU ... Scotland will remain in the EU because Scotland is very much pro EU .... latest polls are over 60% in favour in staying in the EU ... and a EU army will never happen ... can't see the French hand over control of their armed forces to a centralised EU (Germany) for 1 they would end up losing their nuclear forces and if Marie Le Penn gets into power France will move rapidly towards Russia ... she would also release the Mistrals to Russia

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:16 pm

    Undoubtly that is the same sweden guy with his former username Batallion who was kicked out because his english skills are far worse than BOOK's yoda english that actually makes to some extend sence.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  jka on Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:51 pm

    Sweden have 19,951 proffesionel Army and around 20,000 in south Sweden but that soon history. Concripts Army as reserve forces by 30,000 soldiers on way. Maybe Sweden have 4000 + 7000 soldiers in south half by proffesionel Army and 3500 soldiers in north. 2 divisions Gripen C/D in Luleå flottilj. Soon history with divisions in Luleå. Away before 2020s. 44 Gripen C/D in Luleå flottilj.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  jka on Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:12 pm

    France - 197,000
    Greece - 111,000
    Germany - 108,000
    Spain - 100,000
    Poland - 99,340
    Romania - 73,150

    Season 2015-2016.

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    Re: Ideas of United European Army

    Post  jka on Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:41 pm

    Maybe Russia(2nd), Germany(1st) or UK(1st) in my interest now.

    Sweden Army Groups must where this:

    Rearm of professional soldiers according to SD and me.

    Strenght will be this:

    Army - 35,000
    Navy - 10,000
    Air Force - 8000

    To hold on Sweden 2022-2040.

    Before it can where Germany by today strenght of 108,000 how goes near 4000 down.

    Then they are finished with these size.

    Or British Empire without Royal Air Force in 2020s.

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