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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:53 am

    With the ever increasing UAV presence on the battlefield and more and more countries having access/producing UAV's of all different capabilities including suicide drones, the question comes which is the best and most efficient of destroying them. Of course any anti air system could do the job, but it would be a waste and pointless to use S-400, S-300, Tor, Buk to take down a cheap UAV, especially during a war situation where costs and ammo are such an important factor. And theres also of course laser systems being used and invested in.
    But theres also the issue of having access to such systems, and if your armed forces budget is pretty low you won't want to use missile anti air systems to destroy UAV's which encroach your borders from countries which you have bad relations with who you aren't at war with but more so a political tit for tat. So the question is what systems could be used that are cost effective, and systems/equipment that may already be in your inventory that with some minor upgrades become efficient anti UAV systems.

    first area of focus is on missiles systems.

    older SAM systems static and self-propelled such as SA-1, SA-2, SA-3, SA-4, SA-5, SA-6, SA-8, SA-9, SA-13, and older MANPAD'S such as SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, could all be used just as they are, some of the poorer countries who stock SA-2, SA-3, SA-5, SA-6, SA-8, SA-13, may not be willing to use such systems due to cost of missiles which is fine as what i will talk about later will maybe a better option for them. Older SAM missile systems which maybe either be nearing shelf-life or not cut out out to take out modern aircraft still have a use against UAV's which lack counter measures, and travel at low speeds compared to aircraft.


    second area of focus is anti aircraft guns systems.

    such systems almost exist in every armed forces either in active service or in storage. It wouldn't take much for systems in storage to be brought back to active service. With some minor upgrades using newer or old radar systems and automatic targeting/fire control radar, opto-electronics etc etc, and your ready to go. The good thing about this option is its making use of what you already have and the ammo is cheap in consideration to missiles so it won't break the bank and firing a few hundred or even thousand rounds to take out a UAV which will no doubt cost more than the rounds fired.So this makes this option very attractive especially for poorer countries, the only draw back really is on range anti air guns dont tend to have the range as some of the larger/more modern missile systems. But in my view this is still a good option and a good use of older systems which would otherwise be obsolete in the modern anti aircraft role. Some countries have already adopted such systems Iran for example have the Mesbah-1 a system consisting of 4x ZSU23-2 (total of 8 barrels) and then they have the Saeer/sa-ir 100mm system which uses the old KS-19 which packs a punch and could also be used as a form of ground to ground artillery system. So which systems could be used? there's an abundance of weapons out there and all in various calibres, i will only mention soviet models. The list below is a quick list.

    ZPU-1/2/4. 14.5mm
    ZSU 23-2. 23.5mm
    M1940 72-K. 25mm
    1939 61-k. 37mm
    S-60 57mm
    M1939 52-K. 85mm
    KS-19. 100mm
    KS-30. 130mm

    and self propelled systems
    ZSU-23-4
    ZSU-57-2
    SA-19 Tunguska (Russia could use these when they are slowly replaced in their current role by Pantsir.)

    but of course all these systems including the static SAM and MANPAD systems could be turned into self propelled systems using current vehicles in inventory new, old, and in storage. Such as the following list.

    wheeled:
    BRDM-1 and 2
    BTR-40
    BTR-152
    BTR-60/70/80
    Ural/Zil/Gaz/Kamaz trucks
    Tigr-M
    VPK-3927 Volk
    GAZ Vodnik GAZ-3937
    BPM-97
    six-wheel amphibious BAZ-5937(sa-8 chassis),
    ZIL 135 (tochka/bm-27 chassis)  

    Tracked:
    old GM chassis’s, (example Sa-6 chassis)
    BTR-50
    PT-76
    BMD 1/2/3
    BTR-D
    MT-LB
    AT-T, AT-L, ATS-59, tractors units.
    T-34
    T-54/55
    T-62
    T-64

    some of the above systems offer different advantages from speed, terrain capability, armour, and amphibious capability. Vehicles such as the T-54/55 have already been used for mounting SA-3. But some the older system could easily be used such T-34, PT-76, BRDM-2, BTR-152, BTR-60, BMD1/2 would be suitable, the PT-76 would offer good terrain and amphibious capability as well as offering some armour protection. Me personally i think the best system to use would be BRDM-2, MT-LB, GAZ Vodnik GAZ-3937, BPM-97, add a ZSU-23-2 with 2-4 Sa-16 and you have a capable system. Of course all this depends on what you have available to you and what you can piece together. The amount of combinations are endless really.

    one more area that could be utilised against UAV's is old/older fixed wing aircraft.

    yet again this depends on what you have in current and storage inventory, and what condition it is in, there is no point in spending millions and millions just to get aircraft in an air worthy state just to combat UAV's. This option is only viable if its going to be cost effective for the user. The aircraft themselves dont have to be armed with highly sophisticated modern AA missiles, older AAM will do and remember that UAV's dont travel fast and dont have fixed fighter maneuverability so should be an easy target for the use of the aircraft's gun/canon's aircraft that come to mind are:

    L-39
    Mig-21
    Su-17/22
    Mig-23
    Mig-25


    and even older turbo-prop could be upgraded with gun pods and MANPAD systems, aircraft such as:

    Yak-52
    An-2
    An-24
    An-26
    An-32

    and then you've got the newer Yak-130 which would be ideal and more than capable.
    the only downside to aircraft is operating/maintenance cost, but the other way to look at is if you used older/cheaper aircraft to go drone hunting this would free up the more modern/capable aircraft free to concentrate on the enemies fixed wing and bombing ground targets.

    Although with some of the more expensive and modern UAV's their ceiling height could prove problem for some of the above systems mentioned, but most countries are not operating such sophisticated systems such as reaper and avenger and mostly operate home grown basic versions for now.

    most of the above are just suggestions and really is only for a short term fix to the UAV problem, in till better/cheaper more available systems come on to the battlefield, i have no doubt UAV's will be taking out other UAV's rather shortly with the way UAV technology is developing, in fact i sure i read somewhere this was already in testing.

    So if anyone has any suggestions, in put, views on the subject, and whether or not using older systems as mentioned is a good idea?


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:32 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:... UAV presence on the battlefield and ... the best and most efficient of destroying them.

    Excellent article, d_taddei2.


    Some other possibilities are

    1- gun-launched guided projectiles and missiles,

    2- antitank missiles and their antiair and anti-UAV variants,

    3- unguided rockets, like the Russian Trezubets (has sophisticated fusing options),

    4- unguided barrage rockets,

    5- antiair mines, like the Russian PVM types,

    6- malwares (like the "Iranian" use of Duqu malware to capture the RQ-170) and various backdoor methods,

    7- directed and area-coverage EM weapons (in addition to lasers),

    8- and the most cost-effective, the ECM systems.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:26 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:... UAV presence on the battlefield and ... the best and most efficient of destroying them.

    Excellent article, d_taddei2.


    Some other possibilities are

    1- gun-launched guided projectiles and missiles,

    2- antitank missiles and their antiair and anti-UAV variants,

    3- unguided rockets, like the Russian Trezubets (has sophisticated fusing options),

    4- unguided barrage rockets,

    5- antiair mines, like the Russian PVM types,

    6- malwares (like the "Iranian" use of Duqu malware to capture the RQ-170) and various backdoor methods,

    7- directed and area-coverage EM weapons (in addition to lasers),

    8- and the most cost-effective, the ECM systems.

    thanks Morpheus, and you have mentioned some very valid anti UAV methods, ECM and Malwares, are areas i totally forgot oops, i think EM weapons and laser will be the future for anti UAV, especially laser being used from UAV to UAV.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:54 am

    As other possibilities I should add the low-energetic anti-UAV cruise missiles and anti-UAV UAVs (one-time use and reusable).
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:30 am

    Don't forget the Serbian solution to low and slow UAVs... fly beside them in a helo and shoot them with a PKM from the door.

    Of course the easiest way to do it cheaply would be fixed guns on your own UAV that will just fly around shooting down enemy UAVs cheaply with grenade launchers.

    the ideal would be a simple fixed time fuse in a 40mm grenade launcher round so you fly up behind the target UAV and when you get behind the target fire a grenade set to explode after a fixed period of time. A decent small palm top computer can do the calculations with the known time of flight of the grenade and the length of time of the fuse so the rounds will airburst around the target... a 2-3 round burst should suffice to destroy most light fragile UAVs before they even know what hit them.

    the ammo would be cheap and the system pretty simple... you could charge teenagers in your country to come a play a computer game where the graphics are awesome and the targets are tricky.... Smile
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Don't forget the Serbian solution to low and slow UAVs... fly beside them in a helo and shoot them with a PKM from the door.

    Of course the easiest way to do it cheaply would be fixed guns on your own UAV that will just fly around shooting down enemy UAVs cheaply with grenade launchers.

    the ideal would be a simple fixed time fuse in a 40mm grenade launcher round so you fly up behind the target UAV and when you get behind the target fire a grenade set to explode after a fixed period of time. A decent small palm top computer can do the calculations with the known time of flight of the grenade and the length of time of the fuse so the rounds will airburst around the target... a 2-3 round burst should suffice to destroy most light fragile UAVs before they even know what hit them.

    the ammo would be cheap and the system pretty simple... you could charge teenagers in your country to come a play a computer game where the graphics are awesome and the targets are tricky.... Smile

    Well, that's one of the variants of the "anti-UAV UAVs (one-time use and reusable)" mentioned in the post above.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:39 am

    It was a very serious lesson for Russia in 2008 when Israeli UAVs operated by the georgian military represented an awkward problem for the troops based in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    A very small target with a small IR signature flying at 4km altitude is a very tricky target for airborne forces.

    It is flying too high with too small an IR signature to get a proper lock on with MANPADS (though I suspect Verba would be ideal for the job now with the much better seeker), and the other standard AA system... the Towed ZU-23 lacks altitude capability.

    the ideal solution would be Pantsir or TOR as they can handle the altitude and engage small IR.RCS targets with relatively cheap missiles.

    The SA-13s lacked seeker sensitivity and BUK was overkill.

    The main solutions were BUK and MiG-29 with R-73 as seen on video...

    The best solution would be completely reusable and have air to air capability... so something cheap that can deal with targets with low IR signatures... which rules old model strelas out but Igla-S should be fine with its proximity fuse and the ability to get behind the target and fly up relatively close should allow very high kill probabilities, but I would add a 12.7mm HMG gun pod under the wings as a backup... perhaps even a twin barrel 23x115mm gun in a gunpod either under the belly of wings of the UAV.
    reusable, and could be manually flown if needed to be flown manually or on automatic paths.

    If they perfect Ugroza then two 7 shot 80mm rocket pods with laser guided rockets and a laser target marker would be a very cheap option... another option would be ATAKA/Shturm type missiles or Kornet with the advantage of not needing an IR signature to home in on.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:17 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:... and anti-UAV UAVs ...

    Tajber, an anti-UAV UAV picket:

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:39 pm

    Very interesting UAV interceptor apparently propelled by electric engine by Almaz-Antey...

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    https://el-temif-1.livejournal.com/8983.html?utm_source=twsharing&utm_medium=social

    Apparently this thing should hit the target and be recoverable / reusable after that (or how to make CIA spend more money with their fake Takfiri-made UAVs than themselves in interceptors) Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:23 am

    I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:38 am

    Something like this, just for the air:

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.
    You would make a terrific military engineer hahaha!

    I guess the Russian solution is intended not only for reusability but also for fast interception. UAVs are small targets than can fly very low and they are probably not that easy to detect from very far away. Maybe there is no time to go hunting them one after the other but rather throw many interceptors
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    Post  LMFS on Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:I was actually thinking of a simple aircraft type UAV with cameras that could be remote flown and mounting a new 40mm balkan grenade launcher in its nose.

    In operation you would fly your UAV towards enemy UAVs and open fire at about 30-50m range with special grenades designed to fly 20-40m and then explode blowing forward an enormous blast of ball bearings and cube shrapnel like a claymore mine... a good quality forward looking camera with night vision... it would probably be quite fun... attack them from behind they wont know what hit them and the cost in fuel and grenades should not be that high... you could probably carry 20-50 grenades as a payload, so you could take out quite a few targets. With a well designed round it should be very very effective... you could fit a laser range finder on the aircraft so no ammo is wasted... you could even use computer calculations to determine the aim point and even have it firing automatically based on range and closing speed from the laser and the position in the field of view of the target.

    Another option of course could simply be a couple of fixed shotgun barrels with buckshot and fly right up behind the target and blast it with lead...

    You just have to remember that this might occur above friendly forces or civilians... an airburst grenade would not be too much of a threat, and nor would shot gun rounds from any height.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:05 am

    Something like this, just for the air:

    Yes, though because a diver is not a small fast target a rifle with supercavitating bullet would suffice...


    It is not super fast but the bullets it fires should reach out quite far and fast... a bit like a remote gun turret that can move slowly around the thing you are defending... port or ship or whatever...

    I rather suspect it would be also rather valuable in dealing with mines found in operations... move closer to the target at 1knt and then shoot it.... not the end of the world if you are too close... but perfectly safe for you.

    You would make a terrific military engineer hahaha!

    I would probably be a terrible engineer, but I like to think I might be a good ideas person...

    I guess the Russian solution is intended not only for reusability but also for fast interception. UAVs are small targets than can fly very low and they are probably not that easy to detect from very far away. Maybe there is no time to go hunting them one after the other but rather throw many interceptors

    I think we can both agree the wide variety of threats means a variety of solutions is needed... from a Kalashnikov gun that is actually designed to jam as a normal part of its operation... Embarassed to this weapon, and many other solutions in between.

    The key is cost... you want something cheap and simple that can deal with a lot of targets... preferably with the target not even knowing you are there...

    I mean the Serbs used helicopters with door gunners to fly alongside expensive NATO UAVs and just shoot them down with PKMs... brilliant... and relatively simple.

    We have seen a requirement for new Helicopter types to be able to shoot down small aerial vehicles... so the Mi-28NM could have airburst 30mm cannon shells which would also be useful...

    Exactly what you said

    Interesting... they have had what they call cargo rounds for their 30mm cannon for fighters and aircraft where the round travels as a complete projectile until a fixed distance where a rear charge detonates and sends subprojectiles in the direction of the target like a super shotgun blast.

    The round itself is optimised for shooting at ground targets like troops or soft targets in the open and is intended for targets 1.8km from the muzzle give or take a metre.

    A 40mm grenade could pack a lot of small projectiles with a charge powerful enough to give good range and coverage, and if you had a set fuse to detonate the grenade at a fixed range... 40-80m or so, you could use a laser rangefinder to position your aircraft to fire them so that the blast would cover the area around the target so that even if it stopped or turned or sped up it would still get pummelled...

    The issue is that while the 40mm grenade will be more expensive than shotgun shells, it will also deliver a much more powerful blow at greater ranges, so it could deal with all sorts of targets... including enemy helicopters... the key would be forward facing fragmentation effect for the grenades for a good even spread of fragments.

    It could be used to stop a swarm of small drones, but it could also be used against an infantry attack on the base too.

    A shotgun shell would not have the capacity... a human sized target out to maybe 20m most of the time... further away and you probably wont get enough hits to assure a kill... buckshot would be necessary as lighter loads would probably not hit hard enough to do enough damage on some UAVs...

    Fragments from an exploding grenade will be travelling much much fast and do rather more damage...
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:31 pm

    @GarryB:
    Even better than the 40 mm grenade is 57 mm ammo... with more than 10 km range and huge destructive capacity, especially against soft targets. This is almost a 3 kg shell, so no small thing at all.

    Low power EW may be limited against autonomous, military grade hardened UAVs, but pure and simple destructive means like 57 mm ammo will do wonders against them and be a quite effective option IMO against UAV swarms Very Happy
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    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:10 pm

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    Take one of these and put a machine gun or granate launcher on it. Or both. Plus a couple of RPG´s.

    Against drone swarms you could also use small, off the shelve drones, add a grenade which produces lot of splinters and fly them into the swarm. The surviving drones could be shot down by larger drones woth guns.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:43 am

    Even better than the 40 mm grenade is 57 mm ammo... with more than 10 km range and huge destructive capacity, especially against soft targets. This is almost a 3 kg shell, so no small thing at all.

    Quite true, and a 57mm gun armed vehicle will likely be part of the air defence of most static and mobile targets needing defence from armed drones, but in terms of weight and size and cost, a light simple aircraft with a grenade launcher would be cheaper and simpler, and much less bulky.

    They have talked about a tethered UAV for Armata that hovers above 10+m above the vehicle with thermal imagers and radar to detect targets and threats... those sort of sensors plus a laser range finder would be plenty to detect small UAVs and UCAVs... the interception UAV should have the mobility to fly out to where the swarm is coming from and to fly around firing at the UAVs from close range... preferably from behind so they don't see it coming... if it can match the speed of the incoming drone attack it can shoot from behind and above and just pick them off.

    In fact you could have an area... say 10km away from your airbase where these UAVs operate... inside that range you can use other methods of dealing with UAVs... but having a 40mm grenade launcher and an EMP weapon perhaps on your UAV... because it is going to be flying close to the UAVs anyway... it makes sense to use both.

    In terms of weight you should be able to manage 30-50 rounds of 40mm grenades, but the EMP weapon should be good for a few more kills from very close range... which should make it more effective against anything with any electronics in it.

    Low power EW may be limited against autonomous, military grade hardened UAVs, but pure and simple destructive means like 57 mm ammo will do wonders against them and be a quite effective option IMO against UAV swarm

    Actually Russia and Bulgaria developed a jamming 122mm shell that was designed to be fired into enemy territory near the front line and it was supposed to jam communications in the area for a period of a few hours... a scaled up model for a 152mm shell that sent out an EMP pulse to disable nearby UAVs could be another option.

    It all depends on detection performance... a 152mm shell could be delivered to 70km, so potentially in Syria you could be delivering jammers to the launch sites... though you might want to design the jamming round so that it destroys itself during use so it cannot be captured... the volume difference between a 122mm jammer round and a 152mm round would mean careful design and material choice... lots of magnesium and big lithium batteries for instance, and even a charge or amount of naturally combustible materials that will destroy completely the round after it has blown all the nearby electronics would be an improvement.

    So it changes role from 4-6 hours jamming to one near instant jamming pulse and then self destruction.

    Then at 10-20km range you have UCAVs shooting and jamming enemy UCAVs, and then within 10km you have 57mm guns and of course 30mm cannon with air burst ammo too.... and perhaps even cheap command guided or beam riding missiles like Shturm or Kornet...

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