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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Wed May 02, 2012 2:10 pm

    Austin wrote:

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    Besides, according to a high-ranking official, experts of appropriate agencies "are developing design of a new 5-generation SSN and a new destroyer";

    Α new SSN? Will that be useful to have 2 types? Unless is a cheaper solution

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Wed May 02, 2012 7:06 pm

    The 5th gen SSN is a small ( 5000-6000T ) submarine to be built in numbers to replace Akula/Victor SSN
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Sun May 06, 2012 3:56 pm

    Before some years they talked for about 30 submarines. Then the number fell to 10. And now to 7. It is clear that they work on a cheaper project

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=12780
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Sun May 20, 2012 4:36 pm

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Sun May 20, 2012 9:25 pm

    George1 wrote:Before some years they talked for about 30 submarines. Then the number fell to 10. And now to 7. It is clear that they work on a cheaper project

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=12780

    There were never plans touted by actual Navy officials for 30 885s.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:31 am

    Commission of SSGN Severodvinsk Postponed

    Project 885 Yasen fourth-generation nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine (SSGN) Severodvinsk will be commissioned into Russian Navy not earlier than 2013 due to problems in nuclear powerplant, reports business newspaper Vzglyad referring to Interfax and an insider in Russian defense industry.

    "It was found out at the trials of SSGN Severodvinsk that her nuclear powerplant did not produce required power. Moreover, the sub does not keep designed level of silence. The submarine with such serious defects cannot join the Navy", said the source of Interfax.

    In addition, Dagdiesel Plant has not executed the contract for a new homing torpedo designed for Yasen-class submarines, said the interviewee. "So far, the new torpedo with required performance characteristics is not ready. The weapon they have made is dangerously explosive so cannot be used in submarines", explained the source. According to him, if production of the new torpedo continues protracting, Severodvinsk can be armed with torpedoes used by Kursk-type nuclear subs.

    Russian deputy defense minister Alexander Sukhorukov told reporters on Aug 8 that "the sub is on trials in the White Sea, and then will head from shallow waters to the Barents Sea". He expressed confidence that the sub would finish trials in the current year, since "the manufacturer faces delay damages every day".

    Project 885 Yasen lead sub SSGN Severodvinsk was put afloat on June 15, 2010 and started sea trials in Sept 2011.

    The second submarine SSGN Kazan is being built under advanced Project 885M Yasen-M. At least 8 submarines of this class are supposed to join Russian Navy by 2020.

    Submerged speed of the submarine must exceed 30 knots; test depth must be 600 meters. Endurance is 100 days; crew is 90 men (32 officers). SSGN Severodvinsk costs about RUR 47 bln.

    Expectedly, noisiness level of Yasen-class subs would be comparable to that of America's Virginia-class submarines.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15626
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:58 am

    Yeah that industry source is.....interesting to say the least.
    I wouldn't worry too much about this report.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:08 pm

    Pr 885 Yasen ( via balancer forum )

    Yasen-1
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    Not sure what it says but looks interesting

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:32 pm

    Submarine "Severodvinsk" equip cruise missiles "Calibre"
    http://vpk-news.ru/news/2039/


    The bow shock nuclear-powered submarine (NPS) "Severodvinsk" Project 885 class "Ash" is armed with no analogues in the world of supersonic cruise missiles, "Caliber", the maximum flight range of more than 2.5 thousand kilometers, told reporters on Tuesday, a source in the defense industrial complex of Russia.

    "The missile meets all the requirements of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian-range shooting accuracy, lethality and invulnerability effect during the flight to the target. Such a missile because of its unique performance characteristics of no one else in the world "- said the source.

    According to him, a cruise missile, "Caliber" is a multivariate military equipment. "The rocket will carry the monoblock warhead. In the event that the warhead would be with conventional warheads, the maximum range missiles will be more than two and a half thousand kilometers. If the warhead is nuclear kiloton class, the range is reduced somewhat, "- said the source.

    "Caliber" - a precision-guided weapons, its probable deviation from the target by firing thousands of kilometers does not exceed two or three feet, "- he stressed.

    At the same time, the source confirmed the presence of a number of problems with nuclear power plant (NPP) submarine "Severodvinsk". "Indeed, there is a problem with high noise levels at work as a nuclear power, and energy transfer to the ship's propeller shaft, but this wine is not" Sevmash ", which built the submarine, and the power industry, which created a nuclear reactor. On the "Sevmash" simply put in for it meant the nuclear compartment.

    Now it's energy, which should reduce the noise of the boat, "- said the source.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:14 am

    SSGN Severodvinsk to Obtain Caliber Cruise Missiles

    Lead submarine of Project 885 Yasen, SSGN Severodvinsk will be armed with supersonic cruise missiles Caliber which have no analogs worldwide with flight range exceeding 2,500 km, a source in Russian defense industry told reporters on Tuesday.

    "The missile meets all defense ministry's requirements regarding range, accuracy, destructive effect, and in-flight survivability. Because of unique performance characteristics, none country has such missile at the present time", pointed out the source.

    As for the expert, Caliber cruise missiles can be armed differently. "The missile will carry one-piece warhead. If it is conventional, the missile's flight range would exceed 2,500 km. If the warhead is kiloton-class nuclear one, flight range would be shorter", specified the interviewee.

    "Caliber is a high-precision weapon, its probable error is not more than two or three meters while flight range is thousands of kilometers", he stressed.

    On the other hand, the expert confirmed there were some problems in the sub's nuclear powerplant. "Indeed, there is a problem of high noisiness both at work by nuclear powerplant and at power transmission to the screw. It's not the fault of Sevmash shipwrights; there were designers who developed the nuclear reactor. All what the shipyard did was only planting the reactor into appropriate compartment", the interviewee explained.

    "And now the matter depends on power engineers. They will have to reduce the sub's noisiness", said the source.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15638

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:04 pm

    Information about the failure Test submarine "Severodvinsk" is not true


    MOSCOW, August 15. (ARMS-TASS). Reports of some media about the failure of tests of nuclear submarines with rocket-torpedoes (CARDS) Project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk" is not true, according to Itar-Tass the official representative of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).

    "Which appeared in some media allegations of serious deficiencies identified during the testing of nuclear submarine" Severodvinsk "4th generation are not baseless," - he said. "Submarine" Severodvinsk "successfully carries out factory performance trials in the White Sea in full accordance with the approved program", - noted the official.

    As explained by the ITAR-TASS Head of state defense order, USC Vice-Admiral Anatoly helmets: "This test program is carried out strictly according to plan. In 2011, there have been three successful release of" Severodvinsk "to the test in the sea, this year made two successful exit . currently preparing for a new submarine out to sea. "

    Helmets also denied recent media reports about alleged problems with the nuclear submarine power plant. "As the testing of nuclear power plant the ship fully complies with specified performance characteristics, and this was confirmed during the test," - said the head of the Department of USC.

    "Severodvinsk" in its architecture is a single-shaft polutorakorpusnoy boat with a reduced level of the acoustic field. Felling has streamlined

    an oval shape, which is a pop-up camera on the entire crew. Rugged (PC) is divided into nine compartments. For the first time in the practice of the Russian ship torpedo tubes are not located in the nose compartment and behind the central post. This led to a complete release of the nasal tip to accommodate the antennas of the new sonar system. To use the vertical missile launchers, placed in a PC similar to the subs and torpedo tubes.

    To reduce the noise provided by widespread use of sound insulation and cushioning for the foundation of all the mechanisms, sound-absorbing coating, etc. According to experts, polutorakorpusnaya architecture will also greatly improve the reserve.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:28 pm

    What about the 4 Graney's that have been ordered. When will they be laid down?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:25 am

    George1 wrote:What about the 4 Graney's that have been ordered. When will they be laid down?

    You mean Yasan?
    3rd one is supposed to be laid down this year.
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    What about the 4 Graney's that have been ordered. When will they be laid down?

    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:20 am

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:40 am

    Navy Commander: SSGN Severodvinsk to Hoist Naval Ensign This Year

    Fourth-generation Project 885 Yasen nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine (SSGN) Severodvinsk will be commissioned into Russian Navy by the end of the current year, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief told Central Navy Portal today.
    "Trials of Yasen project are held up to schedule. Hopefully, Russian naval ensign will be hoisted on Severodvinsk by the year end", Chirkov said.
    As was earlier reported, SSGN Severodvinsk could join the Navy not earlier than 2013 due to problems in nuclear powerplant. According to a source of Interfax, "it was found out at the trials of SSGN Severodvinsk that her nuclear powerplant did not produce required power. Moreover, the sub does not keep designed level of silence. The submarine with such serious defects cannot join the Navy".
    However, as early as Aug 15 an official representative of JSC United Shipbuilding Corporation refuted media reports about failed trials of Severodvinsk.
    "Yasen-class submarine Severodvinsk is effectively undergoing shipyard's sea trials in the White Sea in accordance with predetermined schedule", said the USC spokesman then.
    Project 885 Yasen lead sub SSGN Severodvinsk was put afloat on June 15, 2010 and started sea trials in Sept 2011.
    The second submarine SSGN Kazan is being built under advanced Project 885M Yasen-M. At least 8 submarines of this class are supposed to join Russian Navy by 2020.
    Submerged speed of the submarine must exceed 30 knots; test depth must be 600 meters. Endurance is 100 days; crew is 90 men (32 officers). SSGN Severodvinsk costs about RUR 47 bln.
    Expectedly, noisiness level of Yasen-class subs would be comparable to that of America's Virginia-class submarines.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15686

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:53 am

    I hope they dont stop at 8 and keep developing advanced variant of yasen in the next decade.

    Like the Americans are developing Virginia in block 1 2 3 and will make 30 of these , it reduces the cost and makes logistics easier.

    Yasen is more powerful than virginia and acoustically as quiter if not more.

    So better to make use of existing production line and churn it out faster
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:41 am

    I suspect at 2020 approaches they will re-evaluate the class performance and costs and decide whether they want to continue production or go for a cheaper model.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:59 am

    The problem is there is no such thing as cheaper model subs , if they develop a new 5th gen sub which are smaller says 6000 T then the initial investement is always higher.

    If they continue developing Yasen then they can keep adding technology to it and due to long production cycle and numbers they will make the subs cheaper and can churn out faster.

    I think at some point of time the Russian Navy will seriously think about it , USN has taken similar approach and are building Virginia subs in many block version as it advances into program keeping it competitive and making it cheaper.

    Infact Virginia subs are said to be the only naval program where there has been no cost or time over runs and is considered the best managed project of all USN program
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:25 pm

    Russia Arms Yasen-Class Sub Severodvinsk with Caliber Supersonic Missiles

    Project 885 Yasen nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine (SSGN) Severodvinsk will be armed with Caliber supersonic cruise missiles. With flight range exceeding 2,500 km, the Caliber missile has no analogs worldwide.

    The missile meets all specifications of Russian Defense Ministry as of range, accuracy, destructive effect, and in-flight survivability. No other country operates a missile with similar performance characteristics at the present time. Caliber cruise missile can be armed differently and carries a one-piece warhead.

    If the warhead is conventional, the missile's flight range would exceed 2,500 km. If it is kiloton-class nuclear one, flight range would be shorter. Caliber is a high-precision weapon; its probable error is not more than two or three meters while flight range is thousands of kilometers. Export variant of the missile, 3M-14E Club is designed for engagement of land targets and has flight range of 300 km.

    However, it was confirmed there are some problems in the submarine's nuclear powerplant. An insider in Russian defense industry said that "there is a problem of high noisiness both in nuclear powerplant and at power transmission to the screw. It's not the fault of Sevmash shipwrights; there were designers who developed the nuclear reactor. All what the shipyard did was only planting the reactor into appropriate compartment. And now the matter depends on power engineers. They will have to reduce the sub's noisiness", the interviewee explained.

    During the current trials of SSGN Severodvinsk, her nuclear powerplant will be tested at various operational modes. It is planned to insulate the powerplant's aggregates, put numerous new gaskets, replace bearings and metal. It is not the first time our submarines had such problems with noisiness during trials, but every time they were settled in one way or another. Experts say SSGN Severodvinsk will not be an exception, but they need time to eliminate all defects.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15727

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Austin on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:39 pm

    From link below

    http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Security-Watch/Articles/Detail/?lng=en&id=150713

    In late 2012 the navy expects the commissioning of the K-329 Severodvinsk. This lead vessel of the Project 885 is considered to be of the fourth generation. The K-329 is outfitted with eight vertical SM-346 silos (10m-long, diameter 2m) each capable of housing either four Onix or five Caliber missile containers.

    This should make it 40 Kalbir or 32 Oniks or a mix of both
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:55 am

    That is pretty impressive for an attack sub.

    Keep in mind that If they choose Kalibre that means the subsonic all the way or subsonic and then supersonic in land attack or anti ship, or the anti sub torpedo delivery rocket.

    That is pretty flexible.



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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:03 pm

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15847

    SSGN Severodvinsk to Start Sea Trials in November

    Fourth-generation Project 885 Yasen nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine (SSGN) Severodvinsk will pass state sea trials in coming November; upon their results, the sub will be commissioned into Russian Navy in Dec 2012, said an insider in Russian defense industry on Sept 4.

    "After the shipyard's sea trials, Severodvinsk returned to Sevmash and currently undergoes testing of torpedo tubes.

    In mid-Sept, the sub will take the sea for the fourth time in this year to hold another round of trials. State sea trials are scheduled in November, and then the state acceptance board will commission the sub into the Navy", reports ITAR-TASS citing the source.

    "It is a single-shaft submarine powered by water-cooled and water-moderated nuclear reactor with one turbine", he explained.

    "Three batch-produced Caliber supersonic cruise missiles with flight range exceeding 2,500 km have been already manufactured for Severodvinsk", said the insider. "Under way to a target, Caliber missile changes flight trajectory in altitude and course. Moreover, velocity of a warhead after separation from the missile increases and approaches hypersonic speed", the source added.

    "It is a high-precision ultra-speed weapon primarily designed to counter aircraft carriers", he said.

    The source confirmed that in accordance with contracts signed by Russian defense ministry and United Shipbuilding Corporation under arms procurement program, seven Yasen-class submarines are to be built by 2020, including six subs made under modified Project 885M. The lead submarine SSGN Kazan is under construction at Sevmash shipyard.

    "Strength hull of Kazan is almost completed", said the insider. In mid-Aug, Russian Navy Commander ADM Viktor Chirkov said SSGN Severodvinsk would join the Navy in the current year.

    "Trials of the sub are on schedule. Hopefully, Russian naval ensign would be hoisted on Severodvinsk by the year end", reported Interfax citing Chirkov.

    On Aug 15, a spokesman for United Shipbuilding Corporation denied information about faulty trials of the submarine, reported Vzglyad newspaper.

    "Nuclear submarine Severodvinsk is successfully undergoing the shipyard's sea trials in the White Sea in full accordance with the pre-scheduled program", pointed out the official.

    On Monday, a source of Interfax said that Yasen-class SSGN Severodvinsk would be commissioned not earlier than 2013 due to problems in powerplant.

    Recall that the first trial round of Severodvinsk lasted 3 weeks. It was discontinued when "minor defects" were revealed in the new sub; to eliminate them, Severodvinsk had to return to the yard.

    The next trial round passed smoothly. The sub spent about 2 months in the high sea. Experts of Sevmash and naval servicemen tested onboard systems at that time.

    SSGN Severodvinsk is a double-hulled single-shafted nuclear submarine with reduced acoustic field rate. The conning tower has hydrodynamic oval shape; strength hull is subdivided into 10 compartments.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:16 pm

    "Three batch-produced Caliber supersonic cruise missiles with flight range exceeding 2,500 km have been already manufactured for Severodvinsk", said the insider. "Under way to a target, Caliber missile changes flight trajectory in altitude and course. Moreover, velocity of a warhead after separation from the missile increases and approaches hypersonic speed", the source added.

    Previously they have stated that the Klub with the subsonic all the way flight profile has a range in excess of 2,500km and that the subsonic to the target area and high supersonic (mach 2.9) terminal phase missile had a range of 1,500km.

    Can it be that they have further improve it?

    Hypersonic generally means 1,5km/s or faster, or mach 5 plus, and they are suggesting a range of 2,500km plus for the supersonic model.

    It is a bit like the Kh-38M they talked about as the new missile for new Russian aircraft but the export model has a flight range of 40km while the domestic model has an 80km range.

    A 2,500km missile with a 1.5km/s terminal penetrating warhead is pretty much the Alpha missile that was rumoured to be in development at the end of the cold war...


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:43 am

    2,500km missile against aircraft carriers is impossible, they probably talk about a Land attack cruise missile......
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:45 am

    Why is it impossible?

    The Russian satellite Naval recon satellite network was always underestimated in the west, but with new passive sensors and new computer power they could easily keep track of a wide range of surface vessels.

    2,500km range is useful in the sense that the cruise missile can be launched from 1,500km range but be directed via waypoints to approach the carrier group from an unexpected direction and chase down the group no matter how fast they are operating at. The terminal hypersonic leg of the journey making them a real threat to any carrier group... whether it is an American or French or British or Chinese group.

    A modern US aircraft carrier generates a lot of IR... especially the older models with steam powered cats... IR imaging technology has improved radically over the last few years with the Russians now producing QWIP based IR sensor ship technology with their licence production of the Catherine XP 3rd gen cameras.


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