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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:55 pm

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    Do we know how many missiles they carry in the VLS ? They were saying some stupid things on the net like 32 oniks or 40 kalibr but they take the same place in the VLS.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  hoom on Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:00 am

    Each of the 8 hatches aft has a big tube with 4* UKSK cells.
    Oscars are supposed to be getting swappable inserts in the existing Granit tubes for 3* Oniks or 4* Kalibr.

    Not impossible that the Yasen ones work like the Oscar inserts but Yasen gets specifically quoted as having UKSK while they don't call the Granit inserts UKSK.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:59 am

    hoom wrote:Each of the 8 hatches aft has a big tube with 4* UKSK cells.
    Oscars are supposed to be getting swappable inserts in the existing Granit tubes for 3* Oniks or 4* Kalibr.

    Not impossible that the Yasen ones work like the Oscar inserts but Yasen gets specifically quoted as having UKSK while they don't call the Granit inserts UKSK.

    That's the problem, Oniks and Kalibr fit in the same tubes so you can put 4 kalibr instead of 3 oniks. And oscar VLS will have 3 tubes each ...

    So Yasen is 32 missile not 40 like some have said.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Sailor on Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:40 pm

    Isos wrote:
    hoom wrote:Each of the 8 hatches aft has a big tube with 4* UKSK cells.
    Oscars are supposed to be getting swappable inserts in the existing Granit tubes for 3* Oniks or 4* Kalibr.

    Not impossible that the Yasen ones work like the Oscar inserts but Yasen gets specifically quoted as having UKSK while they don't call the Granit inserts UKSK.

    That's the problem, Oniks and Kalibr fit in the same tubes so you can put 4 kalibr instead of 3 oniks. And oscar VLS will have 3 tubes each ...

    So Yasen is 32 missile not 40 like some have said.
    Severodvinsk is armed only with 32 Caliber rockets.
    Onyx will appear only on the submarine Kazan and the subsequent submarines of the series.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Sailor on Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:04 pm

    New submarine "Kazan".
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:25 am

    The UKSK launcher is an 8 tube system able to use Kalibr, Onyx/yakhont/brahmos, and the Klub family of land attack, anti ship subsonic and high supersonic, and supersonic anti sub torpedo delivering rocket.

    The refit for the Oscars means the Granit launchers are already fitted and need liners or need to be removed and new dedicated launchers loaded in the space available.

    The UKSK launcher is a drop in system so 4 launchers = 32 missiles in any combination.

    A custom designed launcher to be put in place of an old Granit launcher may be custom designed to fit and may have different load parameters.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:36 pm

    Why Yasen has 8x650mm tubes if Russia gave up development of those caliber torpedoes?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:54 am

    Who told you they gave up on 650mm tubes?

    A 650mm tube is more flexible as it can be used for larger torpedoes and missiles or it could be fitted with liners to use smaller torpedoes and missiles too.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:54 am

    GarryB wrote:Who told you they gave up on 650mm tubes?

    A 650mm tube is more flexible as it can be used for larger torpedoes and missiles or it could be fitted with liners to use smaller torpedoes and missiles too.

    Actually question was why tubes if there are no torpedoes for this anymore? Razz Razz Razz
    BTW couldn't Russians use new torpedo tech make 650mm version?such a mini status 6 Smile
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:17 pm

    My understanding was that there were torpedoes and missiles that could be fired through the 650mm tubes... there was a rumour that the torpedoes were no longer being made, though I would like to see an official statement and source to verify that.

    I don't remember anyone ever saying they were not going to keep making the larger missiles any more...

    It is my understanding that the new Kh-101/102 are larger than the old Kh-55 air launched cruise missiles, so it would make sense that there could be a new 5,500km range upgrade of Kalibr, which has a range of 2,600km... about the same as the old Kh-55...

    Not that the extra distance is critical but it would likely include a bigger payload and likely also smarter electronics, with perhaps things like more waypoints and more efficient engines etc etc.

    A 65cm tube would allow a weapon with rather more internal space... it would make it easier for divers to use it to get in and out of the submarine, and it would also allow larger drones to be potentially launched from the vessel or recovered...



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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:10 am

    GarryB wrote:

    It is my understanding that the new Kh-101/102

    That seems to me biggest value added to keep the tubes but they kept 8...not 2 . So need of massive kh-101 salvo?
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:22 pm

    650 mm torpedo were designed to be used against carriers. It's doubtfull they don't use them anymore.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:31 pm

    Yasen does not have 650 mm tubes.

    It has 10 x 533mm tubes and can take on board a total of 30 torpedoes.

    On most missions it will carry a mix of torpedoes and various missiles of the Klub-S family in the torpedo compartments.
    And yes, if necessary, it will also launch KALIBR missiles from the torpedo tubes.

    So, in theory it can take 32 missiles (Onyx, Kalibr etc.) in the UKSK vertical launchers and 30 missiles in the torpedo room. But that is not a normal load for this class of submarine for the missions it will be tasked to fulfill.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:46 pm


    Any updates on Yasen class?

    I know it's all classified but was there anything fresh at all?

    Kazan has been launched a while back and that was last thing we got. What is procedure for SSGNs after they are launched? Are they still under construction or do they move to testing afterwards?

    Will they even release any information or will they just wait until it's accepted into service?

    If anyone can clarify I would really be grateful because I am noob for this stuff.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any updates on Yasen class?

    I know it's all classified but was there anything fresh at all?

    Kazan has been launched a while back and that was last thing we got. What is procedure for SSGNs after they are launched? Are they still under construction or do they move to testing afterwards?

    Will they even release any information or will they just wait until it's accepted into service?

    If anyone can clarify I would really be grateful because I am noob for this stuff.

    Kazan is functional just undergoing testing, it's very very hush and classified due to the nature of the submarine.

    You will not hear about it in normal means until they are ready to say it's officially been given to the fleet or close to that time
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:16 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:.....

    Kazan is functional just undergoing testing, it's very very hush and classified due to the nature of the submarine.

    You will not hear about it in normal means until they are ready to say it's officially been given to the fleet or close to that time

    Thanks, been curious about this thumbsup
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:.....

    Kazan is functional just undergoing testing, it's very very hush and classified due to the nature of the submarine.

    You will not hear about it in normal means until they are ready to say it's officially been given to the fleet or close to that time

    Thanks, been curious about this thumbsup
    If you want a nice read about subs here you go but it's about kilo class. They also say one Yasen was involved in spying mission but it's unlikly they send a ship being tested on real mission. The crew is srill probably from the shipyard with engineers to test everything. They are not trained to "fight" other subs and ships.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/a-russian-submarines-recent-antics-have-revived-a-cold-war-fear/news-story/4dfdc08d92548f26875fd81c36006ac0
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:29 am

    Kazan handover to the navy has been delayed to next year:

    http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2018/03/22/84292

    So the only new nuclear sub this year will be Knyaz Vladimir.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Hole on Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:35 am

    [quote="Isos"]
    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:.....

    Kazan is functional just undergoing testing, it's very very hush and classified due to the nature of the submarine.

    You will not hear about it in normal means until they are ready to say it's officially been given to the fleet or close to that time

    Thanks, been curious about this thumbsup
    If you want a nice read about subs here you go but it's about kilo class. They also say one Yasen was involved in spying mission but it's unlikly they send a ship being tested on real mission. The crew is srill probably from the shipyard with engineers to test everything. They are not trained to "fight" other subs and ships.


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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  runaway on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:35 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Yasen does not have 650 mm tubes.

    It has 10 x 533mm tubes and can take on board a total of 30 torpedoes.

    On most missions it will carry a mix of torpedoes and various missiles of the Klub-S family in the torpedo compartments.
    And yes, if necessary, it will also launch KALIBR missiles from the torpedo tubes.

    So, in theory it can take 32 missiles (Onyx, Kalibr etc.) in the UKSK vertical launchers and 30 missiles in the torpedo room. But that is not a normal load for this class of submarine for the missions it will be tasked to fulfill.

    Wrong,
    "Yasen-M Class (Pr. 885M)[12]
    10 x VLS
    8 x torpedo tubes (6x650mm and 2x533mm)."

    Also the 650mm torpedo The Type 65 is a torpedo manufactured in the Soviet Union/Russia. It was developed for use against US Navy aircraft carrier battle groups, as well as large merchant targets such as supertankers and advanced enemy submarines. It is now typically fitted to newer Russian vessels, though often the 650 mm torpedo bay is fitted with a 533 mm converter to enable firing of SS-N-15 missiles or Type 53 torpedoes.

    65-76A Kit 100 km and 450kg warhead. Entered service 1991'

    Read this : https://sputniknews.com/military/201803251062884876-russia-torpedo-subs/
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:12 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:Kazan handover to the navy has been delayed to next year:

    http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2018/03/22/84292

    So the only new nuclear sub this year will be Knyaz Vladimir.

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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  verkhoturye51 on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:23 pm

    No worries. It's all Russian maskirovka tactics. They are slowly building 10 submarines at the same time to be flexible. If confrontation with the west seems more likely, they can speed up the production and have 10 new operational Yasens in 2-3 years. If international relations become more friendly, they will continue to make one submarine every few years and nobody can accuse Russia of arms race and spending too much on military.

    It's cheaper and more flexible than American way of making one sub at the time.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:52 pm


    Kazan is Yasen-M, basically whole thing is redesigned into new class so I would give them a pass on this one. First one is always pain in the ass.

    But as for those other tiny ships, no excuses.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:54 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Kazan is Yasen-M, basically whole thing is redesigned into new class so I would give them a pass on this one. First one is always pain in the ass.

    But as for those other tiny ships, no excuses.

    If I'm not wrong they have 6 Yesen M laid down with Kazan already finished. The next two will be lunched in less than 1 year (programmed for 2019) and it took them 5 years to build them while Kazan needed 8 years. The last ones will probably need 3 or 4 years.

    The bad part of Yasen concerning its building is that they are much more automatized than any previous and other subs including US ones so they need much more tests and you have to test the equipement for each one of them, you can't just test the first one and say its ok for all of them.
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    Re: Project 885: Yasen class

    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:17 pm

    The next Generation of Subs will be even better. And faster build. Like Buyan-M/Karakurt.

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