The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

Motorola has been on vacation in Rostov http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2372456.html
Givi has been on vacation in Abkhazia.

Khepesh wrote:Motorola has been on vacation in Rostov http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2372456.html
Givi has been on vacation in Abkhazia.

So why are you steering panic? Look, every "perestanovka" within the newly formed republics need understanding and patience, even if we don't agree with them at first. Waving the Russian flag is one thing, pursuing own interests for personal gain is another.

NATO's Fall Season: US Tanks Repainted Green for Conflict in Ukraine




http://sputniknews.com/world/20150904/1026597298/nato-tanks-us-green-repainting.html

I can only assume that he believes that if he and his officials say this often enough the Russians might cave in. But then Lagarde in in Kiev so he has to say something positive, even tho' the IMF seems to agree with Russia that the $3B loan is sovereign not commercial debt.

KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Sunday that Russia under no circumstances would be given more favorable conditions for the restructuring of the loan to Ukraine. "Under no circumstances Ukraine will provide any benefits to the Russian loan. The Russian side had all the facilities needed to join the negotiations, we were open to express our positions," Poroshenko said at a press conference after talks with International Monetary Fund (IMF) Managing Director Christine Lagarde.

The Ukrainian leader urged Russia to decide before the year-end whether it participates in the restructuring of the Ukrainian state debt. "The talks [on debt restructuring with the creditors' committee] have been held, there is no and will be no default. Russia should decide before the end of the year…whether it goes with commercial creditors or it holds a separate position…when it decides, Ukraine will also define its position," Poroshenko said.

Ukraine is experiencing a deep recession and high inflation amid the armed conflict between government forces and militia in the country's southeast, which started in April 2014. On August 28, Kiev and its international creditors agreed to write down 20 percent of Ukraine's foreign debt. Last week, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said it was unlikely that the country would default on its debt as the government has a plan to stabilize the economy.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026667016.html#ixzz3kyhLDhYn

Neutrality wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Motorola has been on vacation in Rostov http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2372456.html
Givi has been on vacation in Abkhazia.

So why are you steering panic? Look, every "perestanovka" within the newly formed republics need understanding and patience, even if we don't agree with them at first. Waving the Russian flag is one thing, pursuing own interests for personal gain is another.

Where have I made mention of either of them? what is the post number where I mention them?

Show the "evidence" against Alexandrov and Purgin, and what, apart from disagrement about aspects of Mink, is the difference between Purgin and Pushilin that says that Purgin is sinner and must go and Pushilin is the "good" guy. Both are to an extent in pocket of Akhmetov, and Zakharchenko was in charge of his bodyguard, as that is what Oplot was, simply bodyguard of Akhmetov. This is not "normal" politcs, it is bastards and their insatiable desire for $

Here comes the Eastern Maginot line. Anyone think of a suitable title? My highlight.

LUGANSK (Sputnik) – Ukraine’s armed forces are building fortifications on the frontline near the village of Novotoshkivske in Eastern Ukrainian Lugansk region, a people’s militia representative told reporters.

“Construction machinery has recently been seen close to the 29th checkpoint of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Novotoshkivske, they [Kiev forces] are strengthening their dugouts, building multistory underground structures and caponiers,” Mikhail Pisarev, deputy brigade commander of the Lugansk militia, told reporters Saturday. According to Pisarev, since the announcement of ceasefire on Tuesday, the shelling of militia’s positions by Kiev forces began to occur less frequently, but provocations still happen periodically.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026645359.html#ixzz3kyiM3Fuy

Caponier (in French, caponniére), a structure for defensive firing designed for conducting flanking or oblique fire.

There are machine-gun, gun, and combined gun and machine-gun caponiers. In the old fortresses caponiers were designed to enfilade the moats of the fort and were placed against the inner (scarp) wall of the moat. Since World War I (1914–18) caponiers have been installed in field position systems and fortified areas. Caponiers are usually placed on rear slopes or behind a local object of the terrain for conducting artillery or machine-gun fire flanking the obstacle zone and the approaches to neighboring weapon emplacements.
The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition (1970-1979). © 2010 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

Khepesh wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Motorola has been on vacation in Rostov http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2372456.html
Givi has been on vacation in Abkhazia.

So why are you steering panic? Look, every "perestanovka" within the newly formed republics need understanding and patience, even if we don't agree with them at first. Waving the Russian flag is one thing, pursuing own interests for personal gain is another.

Where have I made mention of either of them? what is the post number where I mention them?

Show the "evidence" against Alexandrov and Purgin, and what, apart from disagrement about aspects of Mink, is the difference between Purgin and Pushilin that says that Purgin is sinner and must go and Pushilin is the "good" guy.

Perhaps not you personally but you keep posting stuff that other fear mongers continue to write about yet another "slili DNR".

Neutrality wrote:

Perhaps not you personally but you keep posting stuff  that other fear mongers continue to write about yet another "slili DNR".

I post what I believe to be the truth, not what I am told is the truth by hampsters and various media outlets. For months I have been carefull about what I post because I know my posts are misused, I even wrote about this more than once, but now I am tired of self censorship and will speak my mind.

max steel wrote: NATO's Fall Season: US Tanks Repainted Green for Conflict in Ukraine

 


http://sputniknews.com/world/20150904/1026597298/nato-tanks-us-green-repainting.html

It is common for vehicles to be painted for the area they are in. Desert Tan does not go well anywhere but the desert. I never did like the current Euro 1 or whatever hard line cammo, I prefer the older style for spring and summer. Late fall and winter when the snows come it is common to simply whitewash the vehicles. In spring when everything is turning green again the remains of the whitewash are removed.

Khepesh wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Perhaps not you personally but you keep posting stuff  that other fear mongers continue to write about yet another "slili DNR".

I post what I believe to be the truth, not what I am told is the truth by hampsters and various media outlets. For months I have been carefull about what I post because I know my posts are misused, I even wrote about this more than once, but now I am tired of self censorship and will speak my mind.

By all means. I'm not telling you what you should post. Just think it's pretty early to judge what's really going on.

Let me try this image gig again.

Neutrality wrote:

By all means. I'm not telling you what you should post. Just think it's pretty early to judge what's really going on.

Yes, of course, but a pity that since Friday a certain "faction" has been busy telling everybody what has happened and why, and contradicting their own position in doing so. I am about the networks in general, not here specifically. This "faction" has pushed an agenda on this affair without evidence and may yet get egg on face, tho I now expect that a recovery operation will take place in order to save face, and all manner of "evidence" will emerge about Purgin and Alexandrov. For instance the crimes of "having a black cat", "dancing on the Sabbath", "cavorting with Satan" and "kissing a goats rear end". It will be interesting to see if part of this post is circulated as real "evidence", weirder things happen.....

Khepesh wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

By all means. I'm not telling you what you should post. Just think it's pretty early to judge what's really going on.

Yes, of course, but a pity that since Friday a certain "faction" has been busy telling everybody what has happened and why, and contradicting their own position in doing so. I am about the networks in general, not here specifically. This "faction" has pushed an agenda on this affair without evidence and may yet get egg on face, tho I now expect that a recovery operation will take place in order to save face, and all manner of "evidence" will emerge about Purgin and Alexandrov. For instance the crimes of "having a black cat", "dancing on the Sabbath", "cavorting with Satan" and "kissing a goats rear end". It will be interesting to see if part of this post is circulated as real "evidence", weirder things happen.....

The Putin fan-club/Russia can do no wrong faction, hasting to explain away every possible action as the most cunning plan yet (don't laugh, there are even bigger crazies on this site).

I'm not one of them, I'm a realist, I recognize each party's interests and through that I try to just see things for how they are - but personally I don't share your pessimism on the matter either.
I have faith that even if the road is rough - we're not seeing the beginning of Russia's 'surrender' of the DNR/LNR to Kiev. Russia is going to keep supporting them as they are a potent instrument and Russia cannot betray the very people it has invested so much into supporting so blatantly. No-one is going to be surrendered, or led to any basements.
This conflict is simply going to be put on the back-burner because such is the mutual interest of both the EU and Russia. In the meantime, there are other interesting goings-on that will manifest in Ukraine-land.

I don't believe that the Ukraine can survive. I don't know if anyone noticed, but its rule is based off massive political repression, control of all information resources, and downright totalitarian tactics; especially in the east of the country. People are not even being allowed to say or publish what they think for fear of a visit from the intelligence services.
I don't think this is viable in a European country in the 21st century (even an extensively brainwashed one), with full internet access available to the population, surrounded by countries where information is unrestricted. Also, the collapsing economy - I've never heard of any economy falling by 15% in one year without massive social and political repercussions. You can only feed people with nationalism for so long; sooner or later they're going to start complaining about the lack of real food.
'Progressive', 'European' people in the Ukraine loved to hate on the USSR - well now they're nearly back to Stalin's time, much less the later decades - and I don't think this fact has gone unnoticed on them.

What we're going to see now is the reverse of the last 24 years of anti-Russian brainwashing and indoctrination of youth, due to the absolute, undeniable disaster that such policies have produced for the country. When everyone's starving - everyone's a pragmatist. The pendulum will swing back and it will do so mightily. It might happen relatively peacefully, that's to say the government will be voted out or collapse due to in-fighting, no confidence; and a more sane, concillatory one will take its place.
However, more than likely it will happen with a considerable amount of violence, or a break-up of the country altogether (seeing as its core identity is that very same anti-Russian brainwashing - modern Ukraine is anti-Russia in every single way and form; to survive it will need to radically change its whole ideology and identity, albeit this is theoretically possible too).

So yeah, Khepesh, I'm not worried about the Junta. Neither should you be. I suggest you pour yourself a Martini, Malibu Sunrise or whatever's your favourite drink, kick back on a lawn chair and enjoy the view.

Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

medo wrote:



Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

Counter battery fire at it's best.

While I used the term 'rumor' some posts back, the truth is for the last weeks before Mr. Poroshenko went to Berlin for his ritual nose slapping the boys generally waited for OSCE to hit cocktail hours at their comfortable digs in Donetsk at which time their only concern was whose knickers they were going to get in of the evening, the boys then rolled out the heavy stuff and had at the orc batteries. It seems that fine food and drink is an excellent sound insulator, OSCE didn't hear a thing, but then we know they are deaf, dumb and blind on a good day and hopefully they will have very few good days in their lives. In regards to the orcs, they got slaughtered in the darkness, those that weren't firing from civilian built up areas, and someone mentioned to me some days ago that a couple orc units that decided to change position in broad daylight, assuming that OSCE was extant when the sun was shining, bit the big one during their route march between civilian areas. Seems OSCE was not in their particular AO. Dang those bouts of static that renders the orc/OSCE commo net useless from time to time.

^^^ Good work lads, keep it up.

Apple a day and other Polish BS....    

"The Forgotten Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Helping Germany Invade Poland"

http://www.sputniknews.com/analysis/20150906/1026668967/nazi-germany-poland-ukraine.html





"Kiev to Ignore Russia's Remarks on Constitution Amendments - Poroshenko"

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that he still had hopes in the Minsk peace agreement with militias but was working on "Plan B" for addressing the armed conflict in Donbass....................

http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026668665.html

I guess no one told Porkins that NAF also has plan B...    

PapaDragon wrote:
Apple a day and other Polish BS....    

"The Forgotten Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Helping Germany Invade Poland"

http://www.sputniknews.com/analysis/20150906/1026668967/nazi-germany-poland-ukraine.html





"Kiev to Ignore Russia's Remarks on Constitution Amendments - Poroshenko"

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said that he still had hopes in the Minsk peace agreement with militias but was working on "Plan B" for addressing the armed conflict in Donbass....................

http://www.sputniknews.com/europe/20150906/1026668665.html

I guess no one told Porkins that NAF also has plan B...    

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

http://ww2.debello.ca/polish/vcolumn.html

Vann7 wrote:More "democracy" agents... caught with their pants down..

recently A journalist? caught Navalny in a meeting with Foreign assets in a restaurant
and in the same place there was an American car with a diplomatic license.
The journalist enter and ask the American.. what you doing here?
supporting democracy?


Biggest Putin Critic, Navalny - Exposed as An American Asset



http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/09/putin-critic-navalny-exposed-as.html

That's the place I used to spend summers But don't know where it was filmed. Thanks for find. Gonna rub it to someone.

auslander wrote:

medo wrote:



Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

And the best thing was the NulandNazi bastards were killed inside it. their digging of their
armored vehicles did not helped. Now Porkishenko is building real bunkers in the front
line , this could be a sign that they will potentially consider to no longer advance and keep
only a defensive position. at least until the bunker is finished. So is good news for a bit.

Russia needs anti bunker weapons that can be fired from 152mm Artillery.. no idea if that exist.

Vann7 wrote:

auslander wrote:

medo wrote:



Novorussian artillery in Artemovsk area hit Ukrainian BMP-2 and what looks like Osa-AKM.

And the best thing was the NulandNazi bastards were killed inside it. their digging of their
armored vehicles did not helped.   Now Porkishenko is building real bunkers in the front
line , this could be a sign that they will potentially consider to no longer advance and keep
only a defensive position. at least until the bunker is finished.  So is good news for a bit.

Russia needs anti bunker weapons that can be fired from 152mm Artillery.. no idea if that exist.

So much for the week of ceasefire that was supposed to start Sep 1st.

Just weeding out some valuable targets like OSA-AKM. Nothing to see here

Erk wrote:So much for the week of ceasefire that was supposed to start Sep 1st.

The photos are from August or at least the second one is, see http://lostarmour.info/.