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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:39 pm

    As far as I know MiG-29S is equipped with Pastel RWR, which could program antiradar missiles. But in video, I think it is MiG-29SMT.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:53 am

    Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?

    No one could tell as R-27R/ER, R-27EA and R-27P/EP are the same outside.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:09 am

    GarryB wrote:Oops, yes you are right... the only passive radar homing missiles the early model MiG-29s could fire would be the R-27P/EP.

    Did the MiGs ever carry that or was it only carried by the Flankers?
    I read somewheres, Mig-29 can fire Kh-27P/EP. Even there was a tactic when Mig-29 fire Kh-27P/EP to F-15 that is lockung radar on target for AIM-7 missile's seeker homing on.

    I still think that those R-27P/EP were provided target coordinate as well as mid-course guided by N019 radar, not Spo-15 RWR that replaced by L-150 Pastel RWR in latter upgraded versions such as Mig-29SM/SMT.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:33 am

    The R-27P/EP was a simple home on signal ARM it was designed specially to attack radar targets emitting continuously like the nose radar in a US fighter guiding a Sparrow missile.

    If the US radar broke lock the Sparrow would not reaquire and would go dumb and hit the ground. If it kept lock it risked the fact that the R-27 was a faster longer ranged missile that would hit the US aircraft likely before the sparrow hit its target... unless the target was much closer than the aircraft launching the R-27 was.

    The idea was that a MiG-29 could fire one R-27R at an F-15 and if the F-15 fired a Sparrow in return the MiG-29 could fire an R-27P... one average chance of a kill and one better than average chance of a kill.

    Note early model MiG-29s could not carry the long range model R-27s or the IR guided model R-27s... only the R-27R and R-27P and R-73s.

    The Su-27s on the other hand could carry all models.

    NATO countries go on about how potent the R-73 would have been but I think they really do underestimate the value of the passive homing R-27s as the immediate response to losing lots of aircraft to R-73s would have been to rely on BVR combat... and in the 1980s that would have meant Sparrows... and in that case the R-27EP would have been especially deadly with its longer range and much higher speed over any model Sparrow...


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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:24 am

    Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:33 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    Excellent!!


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:45 am

    franco wrote:Two prototype Mig-35 almost ready for testing;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194612.html

    About damn time.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:25 pm

    Just watching about motors and comparing rafale and mig 35.

    Key publishing wrote:Su-35BM: 39.6% ~ 41.1%(Empty weight: 16,500 ~ 17,500 kg,Internal fuel: 11,500 kg)

    MIG-31: 39.4%(Empty weight: 21,825 kg,Internal fuel: 14,200 kg)

    F-35A: 38.9%(Empty weight: 13,170 kg,Internal fuel: 8,382 kg)

    F-35C: 38.5%(Empty weight: 14,548 kg,Internal fuel: 9,111 kg)

    Su-30MK: 34.9%(Empty weight: 17,700 kg,Internal fuel: 9,500 kg)

    Rafale: 31.4% ~ 33.6%(Empty weight: 9,500 ~ 10,220 kg,Internal fuel: 4,680 ~ 4,800 kg)

    F-18E: 32.2%(Empty weight: 14,288 kg,Internal fuel: 6,780 kg)

    EF-2K: 30.9%(Empty weight: 11,150 kg,Internal fuel: 4,996 kg)

    JAS-39NG: 30.6%(Empty weight: 7,100 kg,Internal fuel: 3,130 kg)

    F-35B: 30.3%(Empty weight: 14,588 kg,Internal fuel: 6,352 kg)

    F-22A: 29.3%(Empty weight: 19,660 kg,Internal fuel: 8,165 kg)

    MIG-35: 28.6%(Empty weight: 12,000 kg,Internal fuel: 4,800 kg)

    Tejas: 27.0%(Empty weight: 6,500 kg,Internal fuel: 2,400 kg)

    JF-17: 26.3%(Empty weight: 6,450 kg,Internal fuel: 2,300 kg)

    JAS-39C: 25.0%(Empty weight: 6,800 kg,Internal fuel: 2,268 kg)

    F-CK-1A: 24.5%(Empty weight: 6,492 kg,Internal fuel: 2,111 kg)

    Rd-33 consume 75 kg/(kN·h) (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) dry, 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)) while Snecma M88-2 consume 0.80 kg/daN·h (0.78 lbm/lbf·h) (dry), 1.75 kg/daN·h (1.72 lbm/lbf·hr) (wet/afterburning).

    Not sure abou the numbers.

    With the same fuel capacities, Mig-35 has better results. Too bad they didn't increased the number of hardpoints before presenting it to India, so it could use more fuel tanks and targeting pods, guided bombs, like we can see on western fighters.

    Chinese and Swedish however loses hard.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:16 am

    The original RD-33 had a fuel consumption of .74 in dry thrust... I would expect the engine they put in the MiG-35 is rather better performing...

    Those figures above are fuel fraction... which is really not that important with inflight refuelling and the capacity to carry drop tanks.


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:08 am

    MiG-35 will have a new radar, capable of tracking up to 30 targets

    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2016/11/01/399191.html

    Concern "Radio-electronic technology" (KRET) has developed the latest airborne radar "Zhuk-AME" active phased array, which allows fighters MiG-35 accompanied by 30 targets and simultaneously affect up to six of them, the press service of the concern.

    "Concern" Radio-electronic technology "has developed a promising multi-function on-board radar" Zhuk-AME "active phased array for the MiG family. The new radar allows air combat beyond the line of sight, accompanied by 30 targets simultaneously and hit six of them in the air and and four on the ground, "- said in a statement KRET.

    With the company specified that new radar enables execution of combat missions in the most adverse weather conditions, as well as in the case of electronic countermeasures.

    "The upgraded on-board radar" Zhuk "has already received a certificate of export shape it is in many ways superior to competitors in the tactical and technical characteristics and is designed for installation on the promising aircraft of the new generation, including the MiG-35 fighter." - Said the first deputy general director KRET Igor Nasenkov .

    It is noted that the active phased array can increase the detection range of up to 160 kilometers, while working in the "air-air" and "air-land", to recognize and classify group and single objects simultaneously attack several targets high-precision weapons, and send data on the tactical situation on other planes and carry electronic countermeasures.

    MiG-35 (NATO codification "Fulcrum F" - the pivot point) - promising Russian multi-purpose fighter generation "4 ++", which is now being tested. 2020 VCS must get 30 of these machines.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:32 pm

    JANES: Airshow China 2016: Russia unveils new AESA radar for MiG-35 fighter

    http://www.janes.com/article/65271/airshow-china-2016-russia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

    Russia's Fazotron-NIIR Corporation (a subsidiary of the KRET Concern) has developed a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Mikoyan MiG-29/35 ('Fulcrum') multirole fighter.



    The radar, the Zhuk-AMEh, was unveiled at the Airshow China 2016 aerospace exhibition, held in Zhunhai from 1 to 6 November.

    The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.

    "The jam-resistant radar works even in the harshest climatic conditions and contested areas. The Zhuk-AMEh can detect enemy targets in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes synchronically, identify and track both single and group targets, attack several objects with high-precision munitions, transfer acquired data to other aircraft, and conduct electronic warfare," the source said.

    "The receivers and transmitters of the Zhuk-AMEh have been manufactured by LTCC [low-temperature co-fired ceramic] technologies," the source continued, adding, "They are installed on lightweight ceramic plates that allow the AESA a width reduction of 10 cm [with power sources and control elements]. The radar is comprised of three units, namely the AESA radar, a processing unit, and a composer."

    The capabilities of the Zhuk-AMEh have been improved by 50% compared with previously developed variants of the Zhuk radar. "At present, a MiG-29 fighter can detect an aerial target at 180 km," the source said, "while the Zhuk-AMEh increases this range to 260 km."

    The source added that the new radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.

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    Post  marcellogo on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:32 pm

    Isos wrote:Just watching about motors and comparing rafale and mig 35.

    Key publishing wrote:Su-35BM: 39.6% ~ 41.1%(Empty weight: 16,500 ~ 17,500 kg,Internal fuel: 11,500 kg)

    MIG-31: 39.4%(Empty weight: 21,825 kg,Internal fuel: 14,200 kg)

    F-35A: 38.9%(Empty weight: 13,170 kg,Internal fuel: 8,382 kg)

    F-35C: 38.5%(Empty weight: 14,548 kg,Internal fuel: 9,111 kg)

    Su-30MK: 34.9%(Empty weight: 17,700 kg,Internal fuel: 9,500 kg)

    Rafale: 31.4% ~ 33.6%(Empty weight: 9,500 ~ 10,220 kg,Internal fuel: 4,680 ~ 4,800 kg)

    F-18E: 32.2%(Empty weight: 14,288 kg,Internal fuel: 6,780 kg)

    EF-2K: 30.9%(Empty weight: 11,150 kg,Internal fuel: 4,996 kg)

    JAS-39NG: 30.6%(Empty weight: 7,100 kg,Internal fuel: 3,130 kg)

    F-35B: 30.3%(Empty weight: 14,588 kg,Internal fuel: 6,352 kg)

    F-22A: 29.3%(Empty weight: 19,660 kg,Internal fuel: 8,165 kg)

    MIG-35: 28.6%(Empty weight: 12,000 kg,Internal fuel: 4,800 kg)

    Tejas: 27.0%(Empty weight: 6,500 kg,Internal fuel: 2,400 kg)

    JF-17: 26.3%(Empty weight: 6,450 kg,Internal fuel: 2,300 kg)

    JAS-39C: 25.0%(Empty weight: 6,800 kg,Internal fuel: 2,268 kg)

    F-CK-1A: 24.5%(Empty weight: 6,492 kg,Internal fuel: 2,111 kg)

    Rd-33 consume 75 kg/(kN·h) (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) dry, 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)) while Snecma M88-2 consume 0.80 kg/daN·h (0.78 lbm/lbf·h) (dry), 1.75 kg/daN·h (1.72 lbm/lbf·hr) (wet/afterburning).

    Not sure abou the numbers.

    With the same fuel capacities, Mig-35 has better results. Too bad they didn't increased the number of hardpoints before presenting it to India, so it could use more fuel tanks and targeting pods, guided bombs, like we can see on western fighters.

    Chinese and Swedish however loses hard.
    Some numbers there seems me completely different from what was reported in other sources.
    Mig-31 carry surely more fuel than that, same MiG-35 while Su-35 weight more than 18.000kg.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:19 pm

    Austin wrote:JANES: Airshow China 2016: Russia unveils new AESA radar for MiG-35 fighter

    http://www.janes.com/article/65271/airshow-china-2016-russia-unveils-new-aesa-radar-for-mig-35-fighter

    Russia's Fazotron-NIIR Corporation (a subsidiary of the KRET Concern) has developed a new active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for the Mikoyan MiG-29/35 ('Fulcrum') multirole fighter.



    The radar, the Zhuk-AMEh, was unveiled at the Airshow China 2016 aerospace exhibition, held in Zhunhai from 1 to 6 November.

    The Zhuk-AMEh can track up to 30 targets and can simultaneously attack up to six aerial and four ground targets, a Russian defence industry source told IHS Jane's at Airshow China.

    "The jam-resistant radar works even in the harshest climatic conditions and contested areas. The Zhuk-AMEh can detect enemy targets in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes synchronically, identify and track both single and group targets, attack several objects with high-precision munitions, transfer acquired data to other aircraft, and conduct electronic warfare," the source said.

    "The receivers and transmitters of the Zhuk-AMEh have been manufactured by LTCC [low-temperature co-fired ceramic] technologies," the source continued, adding, "They are installed on lightweight ceramic plates that allow the AESA a width reduction of 10 cm [with power sources and control elements]. The radar is comprised of three units, namely the AESA radar, a processing unit, and a composer."

    The capabilities of the Zhuk-AMEh have been improved by 50% compared with previously developed variants of the Zhuk radar. "At present, a MiG-29 fighter can detect an aerial target at 180 km," the source said, "while the Zhuk-AMEh increases this range to 260 km."

    The source added that the new radar weighs about 100 kg and has received a certificate that enables it to be exported.

    Nice thumbsup

    Now they outclass F-15s and F-16. Hope they will adapt PakFa's missiles for the mig-35. I've read the new izdeliye 180 will have 200 km range. The 260km estimation is for 3-5m² rcs target, F-15's RCS is 15-20m², so they could use them at their max potential. If they could put the Meteor for export version it will give a terrible aircraft.


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    Post  franco on Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:33 am

    According to this article, confirms that the order for the 16 new Mig-29SMT will finish being delivered this year. Not sure from the article if they stay at Astrakhan or go to Armenia as originally talked about.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2276306.html

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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:47 am

    Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.

    Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
    I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.

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    Post  marcellogo on Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:54 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.

    Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
    I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
    Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.
    F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
    In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.



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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:04 am

    As far as I am aware the new R-37M or RVV-BD in the export designation are to be used on all new Russian fighter and interceptor aircraft... so PAK FA, Su-35 and MiG-35.

    A 280km range AAM able to engage 9g targets would be a potent weapon against enemy forces... particularly AWACS and tanker aircraft as well as troop transports and JSTARS like aircraft...


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:44 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.

    Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
    I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
    Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.
    F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
    In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.



    Cs will serve into 2030s, and Es into 2040s tho. Cs were produced, at least these still around, from 1982-1985, which ends up being more or less similar to the age of many Su-24s, Su-27s and MiG-31s around.

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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:48 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:Now they outclass F-15s and F-16.

    Probably not the former. USAF Eagles and Strike Eagles are getting RMP right now.
    I wouldn't dismiss AN/APG-82(V)1 like that.
    Probably not one nor the other would be decisive at all, the hype about the type of radar antenna a plane got is a typical idola fori to say it in Francis Bacon's term.
    F-15 has bigger radar than Fulcrums and smaller than Flankers and Foxhound, as soon as they both keep the pace in their respective upgrades equation wouldn' t change so much.
    In the other hand, F-15C frames are all very, very old and the same could be said of the 90% of F-15E in US service while the Mig-35 are still to be produced.



    Yes but their RCS is huge. Mig achieved a big reduction of the rcs on the Mig-35 compared to the mig-29. So their capabilities are pretty much the same if they are opposed. High speed High altitude, they will detect each other at longer distances than their missile's range. So the first to shoot is the one with the missiles which have longer range.

    R-37M is a very big missile, I don't think Mig-35 could carry lot of them ... However they can target fighters, it wasn't the case of the R-33 I think.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:54 am

    The MiG-35 has been pictured in models with 2,000ltr fuel tanks and 1,500kg bombs so an AAM that might be 600 or 700kgs should not be too big a problem.

    Most photos I have seen of advanced MiGs often show an R-27ER or R-27ET on the inner pylon as a longer range missile plus R-77s and R-73s so i suspect the R-33M might go on the inner pylon for use against important long range targets like AWACS or JSTARS...


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