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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  nemrod on Tue May 02, 2017 7:15 pm

    Isos wrote: Their was an article (It wasn't oficial however) about exercice between Rafale and F-22 where it was said that F-22 managed to lunch it's long range missile without turning on its radar, just by using it's elec warefare equipement. And Rafale's radar was PESA !!


    Do not believe all you heard from western media. I do not doubt that AESA could be an asset, could be but does not mean  necessarily it is the truth. The Irst sensors embedded by the Rafale, as the Typhoon -Pirate- and Mig-29/35 can detect a plane at 90 km, a missile launched at more than 100 km. In anyway the Rafale must detect every air to air missile launched against him. The F-22 is in fact a total faillure regarding air-air combat. The radar is a myth, like invulnerable tank, once you launch an anti tank missile, or rocket the tank burns.
    See piacard's blog, he explains this very well.
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    Post  Rmf on Wed May 03, 2017 2:07 am

    its a mediocre fighter at best, and a step back for mig and russian aerospace forses , i hope they dont induct it, http://www.popsci.com/j-31-stealth-fighter-improved-prototype - this is the way new mig should have looked like , its even rd-33 powered , a joint venture with chinese like Usa its doing with its nato allies, it would be finished much sooner , much cheaper , and it would bring better cooperation and technological upscaling of russian fighter component.
    this "new" is typical of russians, they make new , improved old ,and keep old , that way maintanance and expenses are huge.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 03, 2017 5:38 pm

    Any aircraft with its radar turned to a listening mode can detect the emissions of another aircrafts radar and follow the movements of that aircraft... an AMRAAM or R-77 does not need an illuminated target to launch... just an interception area can be used to launch a missile to bring it within range so the missiles own radar can lock and engage.

    The MiG-29 was an excellent fighter aircraft who had the misfortune to have been compromised by German aircraft being used for testing and training NATO pilots in the 1990s.

    During the 1980s it was all about dogfighting because western pilots were so well trained and Soviet pilots were drones with basic primitive aircraft and ineffective missiles.

    The 1990s revealed that the MiG-29 was as capable as any western fighter of the period and superior to all with its helmet mounted targeting sight and R-73 air to air missile.

    The west learned to fight the aircraft... which basically consisted of the tactics of don't get within visual range and use AMRAAM before he sees you. Use AWACS to position yourself for a shot from a position where you can run away if you need to.

    Maintainence issues were sorted in the MiG-29SMT upgrade where testing and training modes allowed much better fault finding and in the line testing to be undertaken. 40% cheaper to operate was one claim regarding the new systems.

    Do you really think 5th gen type systems they are fitting to the MiG-35 are high maintainence?

    Of course after getting all its secrets the west now acts like the MiG-29 is nothing even though they only ever trained against a very basic version with poor avionics and very old model missiles.

    Of course they still needed Typhoon because there were Flankers but the MiG was no longer something to be worried about. And that is why I think they should make them because the very low western opinion of the aircraft family will bite them in the ass if they ever actually come up against some for real... ones that have been properly maintained and have modern missiles etc.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 06, 2017 2:42 am

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    Post  Isos on Sat May 06, 2017 5:54 am

    The 1990s revealed that the MiG-29 was as capable as any western fighter of the period and superior to all with its helmet mounted targeting sight and R-73 air to air missile.

    The west learned to fight the aircraft... which basically consisted of the tactics of don't get within visual range and use AMRAAM before he sees you. Use AWACS to position yourself for a shot from a position where you can run away if you need to.

    Mig learned more than them from to these western tests of the 29 and knew what they should upgrade. Now SMT and 35 have corrected all 29s "mistakes" like range, radar, smockless engines , ecm, fly by wire. In BVR an SMT or 35 has its chances against f-16/15, specialy with the last aesa develop for them with 260 km range.

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    Post  HM1199 on Sat May 06, 2017 6:21 pm

    well Mig 29/35 platforms are like a sandwich it's up to how well did you stuff it , there are many systems offered.
    For instance with Zhuk AMeH and good ecm it'll be a solid jet.

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    Post  Austin on Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:10 pm

    MiG-35 in trials

    en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to41.pdf
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:00 pm

    https://vpk.name/news/185205_na_poroge__258_mig35.html

    On the threshold - 258 MiG-35
    MiG-35 would enter service with the Russian air force in 2019, according to the "Military Parity" with reference to the ydn.com.tw (25 June).

    Although this plane was missing at the Paris air show in 2017, the company RSK MiG says that the car will be presented at the exhibition MAKS-2017 in Russia (July this year).

    The company claims that the MiG-35 is a fighter with the technologies of the fifth generation on the basis of the fourth generation aircraft and corresponds to the generation 4.5. The visibility of the machine in the radar range is reduced, there is the possibility of equipping the radar with active phased array, the thrust of the power plant (two RD-33MK engines) increased by 12%, the aircraft can lift 7 tons of payload.

    Press Secretary of RSK MiG Anastasia Kravchenko said that the aircraft is fit for deployment in "harsh conditions" capable of being cropped off and landing, can be stored under open sky for several months, the replacement engine can be performed directly at the airport in just 58 minutes.

    Probably, the Russian air force will become the first operator of this aircraft. Expected to be ordered the first 37 aircraft, the final number may reach 258 vehicles - if will be a complete replacement MiG-29 fleet for aircraft of this modification. In addition, the MiG-35 has significant export potential - more than 30 countries bought the MiG-29 replacement which is inevitable.

    Reporters asked Kravchenko, the company carries out the development of a fifth generation fighter, what the press Secretary said that "the RSK MiG has plans for the future," but refused to voice even the common technical requirements for this fighter.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:02 pm

    Also, a bit older news from the 23rd, but interesting:

    https://vpk.name/news/185056_mig35_vks_poluchat_sverhmanevrennyii_istrebitel_s_noveishim_bortovyim_oborudovaniem.html

    MiG-35: HQs get air-superiority fighter with advanced avionics
    TSAMTO, June 22. Defense Ministry and United aircraft Corporation (UAC) determines the final shape of the newest super-maneuverable lightweight fighter MiG-35, write "news".

    According to the newspaper, at the request of the military machine needs to engines with thrust vectoring (CET), new sighting and navigation system and radar with a phased antenna array (AFAR).

    As the paper notes, the presentation of the new MiG-35 was held in January of this year in Lukhovitsy. Russian and foreign military for the first time showed a pre-production sample of the machine.

    In defense of "news" reported that at the present time with the UAC and RAC "MiG" is to develop a shape variant of the MiG-35 for the Air-space forces of Russia. The work is in the stage of negotiations. But it is already known that the car will stand the RD-33MK engines with thrust vectoring. There is also new radar "Zhuk-A" from AFAR, which in the base case no.

    As has declared "news" in a press-service of the KLA, the Corporation works closely with the Ministry of defense. All the requirements for a new fighter will be fully implemented and executed.

    In may of this year VC commander in chief Viktor Bondarev said that the entire fleet of light fighters will be replaced by MiG-35. According to the commander, the aircraft will solve the problem of defeating air and ground targets. In the future can be used in local conflicts such as the Syrian. On the newest fighter even appear laser weapon, said Viktor Bondarev, without providing details. At the same time Vice-President on innovations of UAC Sergey Korotkov stated that the contract for the supply of troops in the multi-role fighter of "4++" generation MiG-35 will be signed after the completion of state tests and will enter a new state armaments program, write "Izvestia".

    So it looks like the MiG-35 for Russia is to be equipped with AESA and 3D thrust vectoring engines for sure.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:49 pm


    This propaganda is more and more stupid. At the begging of the year they said they developed a radar with 260km range for Mig-35, they said they were working on the Zhuk-35 3D since some years and now they are saying they will develop from 0 a new radar (If my online translation is good). They should fire all the marketing staff at Mig. They don't even knnow what they are talking about. No surprise they don't sell fighters with such incoherences in their words, they are making the 35 like a 29SMT.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:38 pm

    No, translation is off but they are saying "not like we are starting from zero" meaning that little input is needed since they already had functioning AESA.

    But yes, there is no need for MiG-35 since it is a MiG-29SMT with few bells and whistles but missing essential.

    They are saying the pre production AESA will be ready end of this year and they will get the mod to test it to see if they want it.

    So there may be some translation issues going on.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:42 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:No, translation is off but they are saying "not like we are starting from zero" meaning that little input is needed since they already had functioning AESA.

    But yes, there is no need for MiG-35 since it is a MiG-29SMT with few bells and whistles but missing essential.

    They are saying the pre production AESA will be ready end of this year and they will get the mod to test it to see if they want it.

    So there may be some translation issues going on.

    Ok so my translation was awfull. But that doesn't change anything, the marketing of the Mig-35 is total bullshit and the fact that they didn't come from the first presentation with the AESA will have a big impact on its export potential. I was myself thinking it's a new fighter that could be bought by small airforces and be able to compete against last fighter (4.5 gene and maybe 5). But now there are more and more evidences that this is just an 29SMT.

    If they don't sell this with an AESA 260 km range (120 km vs 5² for SMT's radar) no one will buy it. Even russian air force could reject it if the radar is not new and has limited capabilities.

    What's weired is that they already tested their AESA radar on the prototypes (their are even photos of it mounted in the nose of the fighter). I don't think it's a problem of production or technology but acording to me they put all their ressources in the Pak fa and other Sukhoi. Now that Egypt ordered 50 of them they can run their factories for some years and don't care about the future of Mig-35, Russia ordered just 30 of them (we don't even know if it's the 35 or SMT as it was the case with Egypt signing at the end for 50 SMT like fighters and not 35). Russia will ask Mig to put more effort in the strategic Mig-41 than the export model Mig-35 (without a big internationnal market) and now that their is the agreement with EAU for a 5 gene fighter I think the Mig-35 is a dead fighter. Russia will probably go for this too.

    It would be intersting to see what they think about their Mig-29SMT.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:26 am

    Geez Lsos... what makes you think Russia will OK the selling of AESA radars to just anyone?

    Remind be but was the first Typhoon fully functional and fully capable? I understood it didn't even have air to ground capability till about the 3rd tranche... the 3rd upgrade.

    The First F-22 had no air to ground capability either.

    Even with a non AESA radar the MiG-35 can engage ground and air targets and is fully multi role... suggesting it needs an AESA radar to be any good is just bullshit.

    The F-35 has an AESA... are you suggesting it has no problems?

    Part of its enormous cost is its radar.

    Suffocate any pilots recently?

    Just because they have tested the AESA radar and it works does not mean they are ready for full scale production of its modules... there might be new modules they are waiting to mature before they produce them in numbers.

    Countries are not dumb... do you think it would be better to buy a Chinese upgrade of a MiG-21 with an AESA radar or buy a MiG-35 with a non AESA radar initially and to add an AESA later... are you really that short sighted?


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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:53 am

    Well, there are a lot of complications to this debate.

    While Zhuk-A was shown back in the Indian tender, there has been a lot of changes to the T/R modules for AESA in Russia.  They effectively made AESA GaAS modules with 15w instead of standard 10w and much smaller so they can fit more.  That is why they have abandoned the standard Zhuk-A in favor of the Zhuk-AM and AME.  I suppose this is the radar they are aiming for, because the Zhuk-M is quite old.  Mind you, Zhuk-M still has some impressive capabilities for a small radar, it will not suffice for the future and that is what the MiG-35 is supposed to be.  So choosing the Zhuk-M is more of an interim thing since it is already used and will probably just get replaced.  Initially, the demand was for the AESA radar as per MoD.

    The MiG-35 does have an impressive defense suite as well as optical structure used even from space based equipment.  So it does have a far better multiroll capability than most Sukhois.  Problem is, once again, its Radar.  But like the Rafale, it may take a while for AESA.

    There is also the fact that Kret is working on photonic aesa radar modules (ROFAR) and it will be prototype in 2018 and production near 2020.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:43 am

    Russia’s advanced MiG-35 fighter jet to go into serial production in 2019

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26

    LUKHOVITSY (Moscow Region), July 14. /TASS/. The serial production of Russia’s advanced Mikoyan MiG-35 (NATO reporting name: Fulcrum-F) fighter jet will begin within the next two years, MiG Aircraft Corporation CEO Ilya Tarasenko said on Friday.

    "We are now holding the trials. Following their results, serial production will begin," the chief executive said, adding that this would happen in the next two years.

    The MiG-35 is Russia’s most advanced 4++ generation multipurpose fighter jet developed on the basis of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft.

    The fighter jet features improved flight and technical characteristics, the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment and a wide arsenal of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. The plane can develop a speed of 2.23 Mach and its operational radius exceeds the range of its predecessor MiG-29 by 50%

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26 and the plane’s international presentation was held in the Moscow Region on the following day.

    Russia’s state armament program through 2020 stipulates the deliveries of MiG-35 fighter jets to Russia’s Aerospace Force. Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Aerospace Force Viktor Bondarev said earlier that the purchases of over 30 such fighter jets were planned.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:53 am

    George1 wrote:Russia’s advanced MiG-35 fighter jet to go into serial production in 2019

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26

    LUKHOVITSY (Moscow Region), July 14. /TASS/. The serial production of Russia’s advanced Mikoyan MiG-35 (NATO reporting name: Fulcrum-F) fighter jet will begin within the next two years, MiG Aircraft Corporation CEO Ilya Tarasenko said on Friday.

    "We are now holding the trials. Following their results, serial production will begin," the chief executive said, adding that this would happen in the next two years.

    The MiG-35 is Russia’s most advanced 4++ generation multipurpose fighter jet developed on the basis of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft.

    The fighter jet features improved flight and technical characteristics, the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment and a wide arsenal of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. The plane can develop a speed of 2.23 Mach and its operational radius exceeds the range of its predecessor MiG-29 by 50%

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26 and the plane’s international presentation was held in the Moscow Region on the following day.

    Russia’s state armament program through 2020 stipulates the deliveries of MiG-35 fighter jets to Russia’s Aerospace Force. Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Aerospace Force Viktor Bondarev said earlier that the purchases of over 30 such fighter jets were planned.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/956310

    I wonder what the difference is between this new Mig-35 and the previous one that was meant for India?
    Photonics??
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:29 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia’s advanced MiG-35 fighter jet to go into serial production in 2019

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26

    LUKHOVITSY (Moscow Region), July 14. /TASS/. The serial production of Russia’s advanced Mikoyan MiG-35 (NATO reporting name: Fulcrum-F) fighter jet will begin within the next two years, MiG Aircraft Corporation CEO Ilya Tarasenko said on Friday.

    "We are now holding the trials. Following their results, serial production will begin," the chief executive said, adding that this would happen in the next two years.

    The MiG-35 is Russia’s most advanced 4++ generation multipurpose fighter jet developed on the basis of the serial-produced MiG-29K/KUB and MiG-29M/M2 combat aircraft.

    The fighter jet features improved flight and technical characteristics, the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment and a wide arsenal of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. The plane can develop a speed of 2.23 Mach and its operational radius exceeds the range of its predecessor MiG-29 by 50%

    The flight tests of MiG-35 fighter aircraft began on January 26 and the plane’s international presentation was held in the Moscow Region on the following day.

    Russia’s state armament program through 2020 stipulates the deliveries of MiG-35 fighter jets to Russia’s Aerospace Force. Commander-in-Chief of Russia’s Aerospace Force Viktor Bondarev said earlier that the purchases of over 30 such fighter jets were planned.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/956310

    I wonder what the difference is between this new Mig-35 and the previous one that was meant for India?
    Photonics??

    Various sub systems and newer engines of the RD-33 type. Various optronic systems that are used in space based.

    Currently, they are still working on the AESA radar but a pre-production model will be sent to military for testing purposes by end of this year.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:30 pm

    They were likely going to complete the AESA radar with money from the purchase (10 billion) from India, but when they didn't get that their timescales had to change... obviously if they had won the competition the whole 10 billion would not go for AESA development, but the funding would have speeded everything up and they would likely have them ready for production in India by now.

    Instead the Russian military will be paying for the AESA which will likely take a little longer, but any money spent can be recovered in export orders now that it will be in Russian service.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:55 am

    The number of MiG-35 fighters to be purchased for VCS of Russia is agreed upon

    According to the publication of Ivan Safronov, "MiG-35 flies to the Ministry of Defense" in today's issue of the newspaper Kommersant, the Russian Defense Ministry and the Russian Aircraft Corporation (MiG) agreed on the number of the newest multifunctional MiG-35 fighters to be procured under the state weapons program for 2018-2025 years. The military will acquire 24 vehicles, six of which will go to the Strizhi aerobatic team. Signing the contract will not only load the capacity of the corporation, but will also allow more active promotion of products to foreign customers. It is almost impossible to negotiate the purchase of fighters that are not in the service of the producing country.

    The fact that the Ministry of Defense, RAC MiG and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) were determined with the number of MiG-35s to be acquired, Kommersant was told by two top managers of the aviation industry enterprises and confirmed the military source.

    Deputy Defense Minister for Armaments Yuri Borisov confirmed to Kommersant at the MAKS-2017 aerospace show that the purchase of the MiG-35 is listed in the new state armament program for 2018-2025, but he did not specify the exact figure. UAC President Yuri Slyusar, answering the question "b" about the number of MiG-35, scheduled in the first series purchase, said: "So far, more than two dozen." A high-level interlocutor of the government in the government explained that the draft state program is still being studied in the White House and, as a result, it will be submitted for approval to the president, but in principle the fate of the MiG-35 has already been resolved, "it is about acquiring 24 cars."

    The first official information on the purchase of MiG-35 fighters appeared in 2012. Then the general director of the corporation Sergey Korotkov (now the vice-president of the UAC), without naming the exact number of aircraft, stated that the supply of new fighters in the Air Force would begin in 2014. The quick arrival of cars of this type into the troops was promised by President Vladimir Putin in a direct line on April 13, 2013. However, the process dragged on: unofficial sources reported that the transfer of purchases of 37 MiG-35 units (worth not less than 37 billion rubles) beyond the year 2016 is related to the proposal of the Ministry of Finance to transfer part of the expenditures allocated within the framework of the state program of armaments for 2014-2016. Officially, the military was talking about the unpreparedness of the industry to fulfill this order on time. One way or another, but the contract was not concluded: instead, the DGC received an order for 16 MiG-29SMT units, the last of which was transferred to the military in 2016.

    At that time, the loading of the capacities of the DGCs was able to compensate orders for military-technical cooperation: MiG-29 fighters were delivered to Myanmar and MiG-29K / KUB of India, Indian MiG-29s were modernized. According to the Ministry of Defense of the package was less impressive: in 2012, was awarded a contract for 20 MiG-29K and four MiG-29KUB for the needs of the Navy (the contract is made, the aircraft became part of the 100th separate naval fighter regiment of the Northern Fleet naval aviation). In his last interview with Kommersant, RSC general director Ilya Tarasenko said that the existing order book of the corporation is enough to load capacities for the period until 2025 (see "Kommersant" on June 14). According to Kommersant's information, this load is largely formed due to the largest aviation contract, implying the delivery of 46 MiG-29 for the Egyptian Air Force for more than $ 2 billion.

    According to the source of "Kommersant" in the aircraft industry, it took almost four years to fine-tune the MiG-35 "it's not the same car that was before." Presenting the plane Vladimir Putin in January 2017, Mr. Slusar noted that fighter eight suspension points, installed a new optical-location station, increased range, "it is designed specifically for combat in high-intensity conflict, in a high density of air defense" . The last presentation was attended by about 30 representatives of countries operating MiG products: in the industry they emphasize that the speedy adoption of a new fighter aircraft will make it possible to actively promote the aircraft on the international market. "If the proposed weapons are not in the Russian army, then the negotiations are complicated two or three times," - says the source of Kommersant, close to Rosoboronexport.

    Expert Strategies and Technology Analysis Center Konstantin Makiyenko calls purchase MiG-35 is "purely political act": "Air-cosmic forces have relied on massive purchases of Sukhoi Su-34 multipurpose fighters Su-30cm and Su-35s, very clearly outlined their priorities . In this context, the purchase of the MiG-35 for military priority is not exactly. " Note that earlier the Air Force commander, General Andrei Yudin, said that the MiG-35 will be replaced by the Strizhi aerobatic team: thus, 6 out of 24 aircraft will go for demonstration performances

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    Post  franco on Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:17 pm

    This reporter suggests there are 106 Mig-29's still active in the Russian Air Force;

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG-eNcdXYAI6J2h.jpg:large
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:31 pm

    franco wrote:This reporter suggests there are 106 Mig-29's still active in the Russian Air Force;

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG-eNcdXYAI6J2h.jpg:large

    wow, much more than we have been considered. Do we know the site-source of this image?


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  franco on Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:35 pm

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    franco wrote:This reporter suggests there are 106 Mig-29's still active in the Russian Air Force;

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG-eNcdXYAI6J2h.jpg:large

    wow, much more than we have been considered

    That total includes the modern 50 Mig-29SMT/UBT's so 56 of the older models left.
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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  AMCXXL on Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:57 am

    franco wrote:This reporter suggests there are 106 Mig-29's still active in the Russian Air Force;

    pbs.twimg.com/media/DG-eNcdXYAI6J2h.jpg:large

    A better estimate that other times and beautiful image, despite is mixing regimental numbers/names and "Airbase" numbers/names

    But I find there a few more MiG-29 in service (in the structure and flying) , about 10-15 more

    The first , reporter forgot the 195 UAB (former 797 UAP) of Kuschevskaya in Krasnodar Krai
    This is part of Krasnodar Flying School together with Armavir, 783 UTsBP ( before 200 UAB and before 713 UAP)
    Until 2016 there was a squad of about 6-8 Mig-29UB in each training base , Armavir with blue numbers and Kuschevskaya with red numbers
    This team fly for all the south bases (Privolzsky-Astrakhan , Krasnodar, Tikhoresk, Armavir...)
    A photo of a part of Krasnodar Flying School Team fliying mixed Armavir and Kuschevskaya planes


    However this year the whole team was placed in Kuschevskaya and the blue numbers were painted in red.
    At Kuschevskaya there are a complete squadron of MiG-29UB 9-51 (+/-14 planes) also had one Mig-29S ready in this base but not photos flying in 2-3 years
    At Armavir then , have only based Yak-130

    Here you can find R-92807 Nº18 in feb-2016 changed to Nº18 in feb-2017 >>>   russianplanes.net/regs/RF-92807



    In 968 IISAP Lipestk and 237 TsBAP Kubinka there are more UB´s , at least two more each base. I have not evidence if a couple of 9-13 still fly at Lipestk and 929 GLITs Akhtubinsk

    About 116 UTsBP Privolzsky-Astrakhan , after receive the Mig-29SMT/UBM , most of the old planes 9-12A and 9-12 were grounded. Most of UB´s continue flying and one more has arrived
    In 2017 , there are photos of at least 3x9-12A still flying , 5x9-13 new transferred (Millerovo,Erebuni, ARZ´s) and about 6 UB´s (excludig 6 MiG-29 to be transferred to Serbia), this means about a squadron to complement of SMT´s , expecting new planes, probably MiG-35


    The MiG-29 of Erebuni (former 426 SAG) have been changed for other repaired planes , transferred from other places, even one 9-12 from Astrakhan
    This planes have been decorated with saints of Russian tradition and similar thigns  >>>   russianplanes.net/search.php?sereq=erebuni
    I have no evidence that now have 20 planes, older planes have been sent to repair and/or to other bases as at least ome 9-13 sent to Astrakhan. Teoric number 14+2. or as much 16+2
    Anyway this base must be equipped with new aircraft , probably Mig-29SMT from Kursk , that could mean upgrade to regiment



    estimated MiG-29´s of " soviet " times : Kubinka 14-16 , Lipestk 6 , Kuschevskaya 14 , Erebuni 16-18 , Privolzsly 14-16 : 65-70 , half of them UB´s (9-51)
    As there are no more UBM orders expected, it is likely that most UB´s will remain in service after 2020
    If MoD only purchase 24 Mig-35 , the total MiG 29/35 of all types including 29K , should be arround 120-130 when the changes end arround 2020


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    Re: MiG-29/ΜiG-35 Fulcrum: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:27 pm

    Unless it turns out to be a complete dog I would expect that a few follow on orders will likely occur over time... the flankers are very capable aircraft but their big size and long range is not always needed, especially in western Russia where there are lots of air fields so the excessive range of the Flanker is not justified.

    Hopefully the joint venture over a light 5th gen aircraft might bear fruit to justify a few extra MiG-35s while the light 5th gen design is being fleshed out.


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