The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

PapaDragon wrote:F*ck him and f*ck you for praising him.

EU Prepares to Abandon Ukraine

Kremlin discloses details of high-level negotiations with EU that would change Association Agreement beyond all recognition, forever ending any prospect of Ukraine’s integration with the West and the EU

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These proposals, if adopted, would effectively nullify the Association Agreement as it exists now.

Instead of a wholesale and binding adoption by Ukraine of the acquis, the body of EU law administered by the European Court of Justice, Ukrainian enterprises would be free to pick and choose whether to adopt EU standards (i.e., the acquis) or stick with Russian ones.  

Given that Russia is the biggest market for Ukrainian industrial goods, it is likely that the majority of Ukrainian industrial enterprises would choose to stick with Russian ones.

Instead of the free movement of goods across the EU-Ukraine border envisaged by the Association Agreement — and which is a fundamental principle of the European Single Market — certain types of Ukrainian goods that Russia considers “strategically important” to itself would continue to be protected in the Ukrainian market from EU competition while continuing to have free access to the Russian market, as they do now.

The existing electronic monitoring system would be preserved to enable Russia to track the movement of goods within Ukraine itself, so as to insulate itself from unwanted imports of goods from the EU.  

Ukraine’s energy system would remain unified with Russia’s. Though Ulyukaev does not spell it out, it appears likely this means some degree of Russian control of Ukraine’s pipeline network, and of the  electricity generating and supply industry.

These proposals must be considered in conjunction with the equally far reaching political proposals for the extensive autonomy within Ukraine of the two People’s Republics, which were recently published, and which I have recently discussed (see Ukraine: Confederal Solution Looms, Russia Insider, 14th May 2015).

Taken together these two sets of proposals bring into clearer focus the sort of solution for the Ukrainian conflict that the Russians now envisage.

This is for a loosely confederal Ukraine, in which the eastern regions largely govern themselves while exercising a degree of control over Ukraine’s foreign and economic policies; which is barred forever from joining either NATO or the EU; and which remains tightly integrated economically with Russia; but with a certain scope for people and businesses in Ukraine’s western regions to reorient themselves more closely to the EU.

Full article: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/eu-prepares-abandon-ukraine/ri7240

Flagship Victory wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Even Russian army just started getting those babies.

Wonder if some posters will still still claim that Russia has abandoned the rebels...

The Russian government is not a monolithic block. Very few politicians like Putin are against NAF. Almost all politicians like Mironov and Zhirinovsky are pro NAF. A Just Russia and LDPR supply aid to NAF. Putin does not.

Спільна Дія wrote:Arsen Avakov competes with Azirovym for knowledge of the state language

Time Magazine wrote:Why Chechens Are Fighting Chechens in Ukraine’s Civil War
Simon Shuster / Lysychansk @shustry May 22, 2015

The conflict has given exiled Chechens a chance to revive an old battle against their Moscow-backed kinsmen

The Chechens arrived at about the same time on both sides of the war in eastern Ukraine. On the side of the Russians, they came last spring with no insignia on their uniforms, crossing the border into the rebel-held territory of Ukraine and taking up positions around the city of Donetsk. General Isa Munaev, by contrast, arrived on the opposite side of the front lines with a suitcase full of insignia – military berets, pins and flags bearing the symbol of Chechen independence: a wolf in repose above nine stars, each representing one of the major clans, or teips, of Chechnya.

His arrival opened one of the odder dimensions of the conflict in Ukraine. This sovereign country, which has more than enough of its own internal divisions and rivalries, has become host to a foreign conflict of Chechens versus Chechens that has been simmering elsewhere for more than a decade.

Adam Osmaev, the commander of a battalion of Chechens fighting against Russia-backed rebels, in Lysychansk, Ukraine on March 2, 2015.
Regardless of the peace process now easing the broader war in Ukraine, this narrow struggle is likely to continue as long as the opposing sides from Chechnya have the chance to meet each other in an active conflict zone. “It’s like a blood feud,” says Adam Osmaev, one of the key Chechen commanders participating in the war. “Politics can’t stop it.” Continue reading.

The Moscow Times wrote:Russian Soldiers Captured in Ukraine Feel 'Abandoned' by Moscow
By Anna DolgovMay. 22 2015 10:06 Last edited 10:07

Two Russians captured in eastern Ukraine have said they feel abandoned by Moscow, which has not sent any envoys to visit them even while scores of representatives from major international organizations have come to the hospital where they are recovering from their injuries.

Yevgeny Yerofeyev and Alexander Alexandrov have both said that they were on a military mission in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine — which is the center of fighting between rebel militias and Ukrainian troops — and were hoping that Moscow would show more interest in their fate now that they have been captured by Kiev's forces, according to video interviews with the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper published online Friday.

"I am just saddened by this situation, that we have been forgotten, abandoned, that they want to write us off," Yerofeyev, who said he is a captain in the Russian army, told Novaya Gazeta.

The Russian Foreign Ministry, however, said earlier this week that its embassy in Kiev has asked to meet with the detained men and to provide them with "necessary help in accordance with the norms of international law."

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry responded that it would "study and consider" the request, according to spokesman Oleksiy Makeyev, the Interfax-Ukraine news service has reported. Continue reading.

Reuters wrote:Moscow issues travel warning over U.S. 'hunt' for Russians
World | Fri May 22, 2015 3:40pm EDT

Russia's foreign ministry has warned its citizens traveling abroad of the risks posed by U.S. law enforcement bodies and special services, which it said were hunting for Russians around the world.

In a statement on Friday it also accused Washington of kidnapping Russians, citing cases such as that of Vladimir Drinkman, who was extradited to the United States from the Netherlands earlier this year.

"By believing that it is allowed to do all it wants, Washington goes as far as kidnapping our citizens," the foreign ministry said. Continue reading.

News+ wrote:Secret weapon of New Russia: militia fire devil-pipe

Flagship Victory wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Even Russian army just started getting those babies.

Wonder if some posters will still still claim that Russia has abandoned the rebels...

The Russian government is not a monolithic block. Very few politicians like Putin are against NAF. Almost all politicians like Mironov and Zhirinovsky are pro NAF. A Just Russia and LDPR supply aid to NAF. Putin does not.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:Ain't the 90's anymore buddy. There is no way that some politician is going to get a weapon that is only used by Russia's own military. The gun did in fact "fall out of a truck" but it had permission to fall from someone high up in the military ranks. Most likely from the Commander-in-Chief himself.

PapaDragon wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

gregoire wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

gregoire wrote:Why is that in your opinion?

A Just Russia is mainly Rodina which is far right. LDPR is also far right. Putin is liberal, a lot more liberal than Obama.

Then after reading your comment the outcome of the conflict is predetermined although I still don't know what it should be.

Had Putin supported Novorossiya as much as Milosevic supported Republic Srpska, NAF would have taken Kiev by now. There are no US troops in Donbas fighting NAF like there were US troops in Bosnia fighting Serbs. Heck, had it not been for US intervention, Serbs would have taken over Bosnia.

Please do not embarrass yourself by posting stupid crap about stuff you do not have clue about.

Milosevic was a scum and a traitor who sold out his own people at every turn so he would stay in power for several more years. He was 100% CIA asset who for all intents and purposes buried Serbian nation for good. There is no coming back after what he has done to us.

Do not insult everyone's intelligence by sucking up to that commie traitor. Only thing he ever supported was his own ass and interests of his bosses. Without him Serbia would have still existed. In the end he ended up just like his colleague Noriega.

F*ck him and f*ck you for praising him.

twower via Google Translate wrote:About cutting fingers
One of the soldiers' right sector "did not hesitate to lay out photos militiamen prisoner, to which representatives of the illegal armed groups cut off the index fingers on both hands. Specific nicks and traces of blood itself is quite visible on the front of the box.
Do not forget "pravosek" to advertise and sponsors "event": Ukrainian volunteers from the group "People's rear." In kamentah severed fingers and the presence of an adhesive tape caused a wave of joy and jokes
# tseevropa
Graphic content.

whir wrote:

twower via Google Translate wrote:About cutting fingers
One of the soldiers' right sector "did not hesitate to lay out photos militiamen prisoner, to which representatives of the illegal armed groups cut off the index fingers on both hands. Specific nicks and traces of blood itself is quite visible on the front of the box.
Do not forget "pravosek" to advertise and sponsors "event": Ukrainian volunteers from the group "People's rear." In kamentah severed fingers and the presence of an adhesive tape caused a wave of joy and jokes
# tseevropa
Graphic content.

Werewolf wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Kord Sniper MG to be precise. That is the only HMG that is accurate enough to be used on personal several hundred meters with single rounds.

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Kord Sniper MG to be precise. That is the only HMG that is accurate enough to be used on personal several hundred meters with single rounds.

Off topic but I wonder whether the 14,5mm caliber rifle/HMG is more suitable or not ?

Общественное ТВ Донбасса wrote:At the session of the City Council waited Slavic invaders
At the session of the City Council of the Slavic man posing as an assistant deputy Anatoly Bovzdarenko (a member of the Communist Party), Sergei Lymareva, saying that people come from Donetsk and kicked patriotic people of the Slavic.

UNIAN wrote:ATO Headquarters: Militants continue to ruin Donbas, firing artillery and mortars
22.05.2015 | 11:21

The situation in the Donbas conflict zone has not undergone significant changes in the last day and continues to be tense, the press center of the Anti-Terrorist Operation reported on its Facebook page on Friday.

"The militants are firing on villages and on the positions of our troops in order to destroy as much as possible, and also to show the world their complete disregard for any agreements. They fired banned artillery and mortars along almost the whole demarcation line," the report says.

The report said Russian-backed militants fired 120mm mortars and 122mm artillery on the village of Vodiane, the mine of Butivka, the town of Avdiivka, and on the villages of Opytne, Marinka, Pisky, Sieverne, Slavne, and Hranitne. They also fired Grad rockets on the village of Novolaspa.

At the same time, in the area of Artemivsk, the militants fired the same types of weapons on the villages of Novhorodske, Shyroka Balka, Leninske, Kirove, Zolote, Troitske. They also fired shells from self-propelled artillery on the villages of Shyroka Balka and Kirove. Continue reading.